Mother kills newborn, can’t be charged

[HumblePie]

While I abhor the outcome.. one can always look at the silver lining. Did society really need the spawn on a woman so mentally messed up like this in the first place? Okay okay... that was over the top Seriously though, someone needs to sew her legs together permanently.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Seriously though, someone needs to sew her legs together permanently.

Sounds like a good conservative Christian...lol

 

[kalrith]

Because, in a legal sense, it is apparently an abortion. Since the baby was still physically attached to its mother, the mother had an absolute right to do whatever she wanted to it.

Yep. "It's her body, and she can do whatever she wants with it."

The disregard for human life simply because it's dependant upon and resides within another (i.e. an unborn, partially born, or in this case fully born baby) makes me sick. Right to do what you want with your own body != right to kill. But it seems that the law and many others do not agree with me.

 

[HumblePie]

Sounds like a good conservative Christian...lol

Too bad I'm neither conservative nor Christian... Still I believe in the sanctity of life

 

[sapiens74]

was just a fetus


nothing to see here move on.....


in other news Americans are shocked at the level of violence committed in our streets and in our name, asking themselves "How can we treat life so violently?"

 

[First]

Sick beyond words. I'd like to know if she even realized what in the heck she was doing. Either way it's grossly immoral, makes me sick.

Do I think this is totally fucked up? Absolutely; however, this is a stark example of a third trimester abortion. Which, Im sure most of you agree with keeping abortion legal. It's just not as....tidy when not done in a clinic.

Most people in the U.S. are against late term abortions, usually defined as 3rd term obviously. But then again, most people wouldn't overturn Roe v. Wade either, a near 70% of the country in fact. So there's a big difference between the two in the eyes of American voters.

 

[blackangst1]

Sick beyond words. I'd like to know if she even realized what in the heck she was doing. Either way it's grossly immoral, makes me sick.

Most people in the U.S. are against late term abortions, usually defined as 3rd term obviously. But then again, most people wouldn't overturn Roe v. Wade either, a near 70% of the country in fact. So there's a big difference between the two in the eyes of American voters.

Im talking about law. The law doesnt recognize the blob until its completely disconnected from its host. Then it becomes a baby and the host becomes mom.

Law/morality/public opinion doesnt always cross, as Im sure you well know.

 

[wiretap]

I'd rather go by the scientific aspect than the religious/political aspect. Science shows us a new human life begins as soon as the sperm fertilizes the egg. Keeping it simple with science makes the clouded arguments of religion and politics easy to debunk, and it doesn't let emotion or agenda get in the way. With the science nailed down, you can then couple that with the Constitution saying everyone has the right to life/liberty/etc unless you are subject to due process of law where that can be taken away.

 

[OutHouse]

Because, in a legal sense, it is apparently an abortion. Since the baby was still physically attached to its mother, the mother had an absolute right to do whatever she wanted to it.

absolute right to kill the baby? the baby was born alive, being born and having the mother suffocate the baby even if the cord was not cut is murder period.

 

[OutHouse]

Im talking about law. The law doesnt recognize the blob until its completely disconnected from its host. Then it becomes a baby and the host becomes mom.

Law/morality/public opinion doesnt always cross, as Im sure you well know.

i have to disagree with you the law does recognize the blob as a baby, there have been many people sent to prison for double murder by killing a pregnant woman.

 

[Jaskalas]

So it's an umbilical cord that defines humanity.

We have gone truly insane.

So none of us are legal humans, given our umbilical cord to public handouts?

 

[werepossum]

absolute right to kill the baby? the baby was born alive, being born and having the mother suffocate the baby even if the cord was not cut is murder period.

His point is that by going the extra mile to legalize procedures like partial birth abortion, this situation is necessarily created. After all, it's rather difficult to create a law that says the mother may not birth a baby and kill it, but she can partially birth it and have a doctor cut it into pieces. At least it's rather difficult to create such a law with a straight face. For one thing, how do we know she didn't partially birth it, then smother it? All you could charge her with would be practicing medicine (abortion) without a license. Even that goes back to the straight face problem; how much medical knowledge is really necessary to kill a helpless newborn? Probably not medical school . . .

Our laws are really, really screwy - cause a pregnant woman to miscarry and you can be charged with murder, but if she decides to have it killed it's perfectly okay. Now we're going to say it's okay for her to have a doctor kill it, but it's murder if she kills it herself?

Lefties should be proud of this woman who is single-handedly fighting global warming by controlling population growth. Fighting global warming and unsustainable population growth begins at home, you know. /snark

 

[blackangst1]

His point is that by going the extra mile to legalize procedures like partial birth abortion, this situation is necessarily created. After all, it's rather difficult to create a law that says the mother may not birth a baby and kill it, but she can partially birth it and have a doctor cut it into pieces. At least it's rather difficult to create such a law with a straight face. For one thing, how do we know she didn't partially birth it, then smother it? All you could charge her with would be practicing medicine (abortion) without a license. Even that goes back to the straight face problem; how much medical knowledge is really necessary to kill a helpless newborn? Probably not medical school . . .

Our laws are really, really screwy - cause a pregnant woman to miscarry and you can be charged with murder, but if she decides to have it killed it's perfectly okay. Now we're going to say it's okay for her to have a doctor kill it, but it's murder if she kills it herself?

Lefties should be proud of this woman who is single-handedly fighting global warming by controlling population growth. Fighting global warming and unsustainable population growth begins at home, you know. /snark

Thanks were...beat me to it. Not sure whats so difficult to understand about this.

 

[heyheybooboo]

I'd rather go by the scientific aspect than the religious/political aspect. Science shows us a new human life begins as soon as the sperm fertilizes the egg. Keeping it simple with science makes the clouded arguments of religion and politics easy to debunk, and it doesn't let emotion or agenda get in the way. With the science nailed down, you can then couple that with the Constitution saying everyone has the right to life/liberty/etc unless you are subject to due process of law where that can be taken away.

Your ignorance is showing. Not a big surprise coming from you.

A sperm penetrates the outer layer of the egg in the fallopian tube and forms a new cell called a zygote. It generally takes 4-6 days (and multiple cell divisions) of travel down the fallopian tube into the uterus where the mass of 100 or so cells becomes a blastocyst. If the blastocyst sticks to the wall of the uterus the woman is officially 'pregnant'.

Now, you know ...




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[CPA]

I hope someone sufficates that woman.

 

[First]

Im talking about law. The law doesnt recognize the blob until its completely disconnected from its host. Then it becomes a baby and the host becomes mom.

Law/morality/public opinion doesnt always cross, as Im sure you well know.

Indeed, I agree and think 3rd trimester abortions need to be significantly curbed save for extreme cases that are very rare to begin with.

Your ignorance is showing. Not a big surprise coming from you.

A sperm penetrates the outer layer of the egg in the fallopian tube and forms a new cell called a zygote. It generally takes 4-6 days (and multiple cell divisions) of travel down the fallopian tube into the uterus where the mass of 100 or so cells becomes a blastocyst. If the blastocyst sticks to the wall of the uterus the woman is officially 'pregnant'.

Now, you know ...




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He won't understand that explanation so you just wasted 2 minutes of your life.

 

[SunSamurai]

She needs to die.


PS. Im sure if they tazed the baby before death some piece of shit here would defend that too.

 

[wiretap]

Your ignorance is showing. Not a big surprise coming from you.

A sperm penetrates the outer layer of the egg in the fallopian tube and forms a new cell called a zygote. It generally takes 4-6 days (and multiple cell divisions) of travel down the fallopian tube into the uterus where the mass of 100 or so cells becomes a blastocyst. If the blastocyst sticks to the wall of the uterus the woman is officially 'pregnant'.

Now, you know ...




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The sperm meeting the egg forms a set of DNA at that moment. It isn't that hard to understand.

 

[her209]

The sperm meeting the egg forms a set of DNA at that moment. It isn't that hard to understand.

Is it murder if the fertilized egg doesn't stick? What about if the egg and sperm develop into identical twins? How do you count how many lives a fertilized egg creates? What if the woman miscarries?

 

[Atreus21]

Sounds like a good conservative Christian...lol

On the contrary, it sounds more like something Margaret Sanger would've said. Decreeing who should have babies and who should not is squarely in the left's corner.

 

[coloumb]

Them southern laws are a bit... strange... That law really needs to be changed.

 

[wiretap]

Is it murder if the fertilized egg doesn't stick? What about if the egg and sperm develop into identical twins? How do you count how many lives a fertilized egg creates? What if the woman miscarries?

Whatever natural course of action it takes isn't for me to decide. I'm merely pointing out what happens. Yes, it's possible that it does not survive.

 

[Triumph]

Well folks, there you have it. The extreme consequence of the popular interpretation of what constitutes "life" and "choice." Hope you people are happy! You pro choice advocates made your bed, now lay in it.

 

[dahunan]

All angrly about "her body, her right" etc.. How many of you were going to pay her $10,000 hospital care bill and the rest of her health needs?

Most Republicans are Christians
Most Republicans are against Free Health Care for taxpaying citizens of the USA .. hmm

 

[Ozoned]

All angrly about "her body, her right" etc.. How many of you were going to pay her $10,000 hospital care bill and the rest of her health needs?

Most Republicans are Christians
Most Republicans are against Free Health Care for taxpaying citizens of the USA .. hmm

So, are you OK with what she did?

FYI, Most Americans are Christians, and there is no such thing as free health care.