Mother Jones-black gun ownership is up and climbing

[umbrella39]

Black lives only seem to matter when white folks and cops are doing the killing.

Hire a new writer.

 

[Perknose]

2016 NRA annual meetings:

So, ummmm, where's Elmo X? ()🙂 😉

Why are we talking about the NRA?

Did I miss something?

Apparently you did. 😉

There's quite a few blacks that belong to the NRA.

Do you ever get tired of spinning things? I'd be dizzy as hell were I you.

 

[bshole]

Damn a shit ton of OLD white dudes. Is this a generational thing?

 

[Artdeco]

Apparently you did. 😉

I already admitted the NRA is a white racist orginazation.

You win.

 

[NesuD]

Good. The 2nd amendment covers all Americans. I wouldn't be surprised to see gun ownership increase among the LGBT community too.

This purely anecdotal of course but I have been hearing that is exactly what has been happening since Orlando.

 

[Genx87]

This purely anecdotal of course but I have been hearing that is exactly what has been happening since Orlando.

There were leaders in the community that said to arm themselves. The cops cant help anybody during a violent act or mass shooting. While people wait minutes or hours they are helpless.

There are former law enforcement officials are starting to advise similar ideas on how to protect\stop mass shootings or terrorist attacks like Paris.

 

[NesuD]

I have no problem with it. I just told the person who told me about it that I hope they take the time to become proficient with the weapons. I told him if he wants to get one he should, then he should learn how to use it and do it well. Scariest thing I have ever seen is a complete noob who's never fired a gun in their life in a concealed weapons class.

 

[blankslate]

True but also misleading. Per capita rate is the better measure than net totals and blacks are killed and kill at per capita rates vastly higher than other races. They also are involved in committing interracial homicides at much higher rates than other races.

Now you've made me want to look at all that data for all the years they have it. So I can find out the trends and possible causes.

Time is not a luxury, however, and I won't argue your analysis of that graphic you put up. What would you think are the causes or correlations...

Mine is here as a general correlation between one factor and a host of societal ills including murder.

http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson?language=en

yes I realize that correlation doesn't mean causation but the correlations are so strong that I want research to be done to find out possible causes.


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[glenn1]

Damn a shit ton of OLD white dudes. Is this a generational thing?

It was in Louisville this year so not exactly a major transportation hub. Who knows if the photos are reflective of the NRAs ethnic makeup or not. IMHO it doesn't matter much either way but it would behoove them to seek to diversity their membership either way.

 

[TakeNoPrisoners]

Should we now expect the NRA and by extension the Republicans to come out now in favor of gun control?

Interesting indeed.

Nice race baiting. :thumbsdown:

 

[bshole]

It was in Louisville this year so not exactly a major transportation hub. Who knows if the photos are reflective of the NRAs ethnic makeup or not. IMHO it doesn't matter much either way but it would behoove them to seek to diversity their membership either way.

This does indicate a huge problem for the NRA though. The younger generation is not getting into guns the way their parents did. Amirite?

I know this, my brothers and I were all AVID hunters with a great deal of familiarity with guns. Out of the 5 brothers, only one of our kids followed that tradition. 15 kids and only one of them uses guns. There is a seismic shift coming....

 

[blankslate]

Nice race baiting.

another post already had an answer for you....

interestingly enough, this was the reason for the open-carry ban in california way back in the day.

sadly, many gun laws were passed with this same underhanded intention, and only a thin facade of "increased public safety"or some other thing

So what do you call it when CA ends open carry once a group like the Black Panthers realizes they can also do it legally and it makes other people nervous....


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[bshole]

So what do you call it when CA ends open carry once a group like the Black Panthers realizes they can also do it legally and it makes other people nervous....

A great first step. The ultimate objective would be gun regulation that is equivalent to machine gun regulation. Machine gun regulation has been a STUNNING success. It really has. It should serve as the model.

 

[glenn1]

Now you've made me want to look at all that data for all the years they have it. So I can find out the trends and possible causes.

Time is not a luxury, however, and I won't argue your analysis of that graphic you put up. What would you think are the causes or correlations...

Mine is here as a general correlation between one factor and a host of societal ills including murder.

http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson?language=en

yes I realize that correlation doesn't mean causation but the correlations are so strong that I want research to be done to find out possible causes.


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I'll watch the video later but even from the description I don't think I can fully buy poverty or inequality as a prime cause of the statistics. We even have a ready made sorta scientific experiment to test the theory, namely the Clinton era welfare reforms. Since then inequality has increased and social welfare spending has generally decreased yet violent crime rates have dropped significantly. If poverty and inequality were key drivers of crime and homicide we should have seen those rates increase not drop.

 

[Fenixgoon]

A great first step. The ultimate objective would be gun regulation that is equivalent to machine gun regulation. Machine gun regulation has been a STUNNING success. It really has. It should serve as the model.

i'd be curious to find out how many machineguns were ever used in murders.

know why they were banned? st. valentine's day massacre.

know why that happened? prohibition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

a legal machinegun is going to cost you tens of thousands of dollars, which is absolutely prohibitive - you wouldn't be able to extend that type of cost to all firearms because you're effectively denying people a right by making it too expensive to exercise (and if you think that argument fails, think about what would happen if voter registration were an outrageous sum or if abortions costed $10k)

 

[blankslate]

A great first step. The ultimate objective would be gun regulation that is equivalent to machine gun regulation. Machine gun regulation has been a STUNNING success. It really has. It should serve as the model.

Except that it was fine for other people to do it until the scary group started doing it...

while I don't care to open carry and wouldn't do it with my firearms if it was legal in my state.

I was speaking of the seeming problem people in CA had with open carry once a predominately black organization started doing it....


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[1prophet]

Should we now expect the NRA and by extension the Republicans to come out now in favor of gun control?

Interesting indeed.

No more than expecting liberals to discuss gun control's racist past when they are trying to pass more restrictions on guns.

 

[Artdeco]

i'd be curious to find out how many machineguns were ever used in murders.

know why they were banned? st. valentine's day massacre.

know why that happened? prohibition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

a legal machinegun is going to cost you tens of thousands of dollars, which is absolutely prohibitive - you wouldn't be able to extend that type of cost to all firearms because you're effectively denying people a right by making it too expensive to exercise (and if you think that argument fails, think about what would happen if voter registration were an outrageous sum or if abortions costed $10k)

$10K is cheap for a pre 86' NFA weapon, a pre 86' M16 Colt runs $25K nowadays.

AWB1 that sunsetted caused pre ban weapon prices to more than double. I paid $100 for a high cap Glock magazine during AWB1.

 

[glenn1]

A great first step. The ultimate objective would be gun regulation that is equivalent to machine gun regulation. Machine gun regulation has been a STUNNING success. It really has. It should serve as the model.

There are numerous reasons of practicality well beyond the National Firearm Act restrictions why that stunning success came to be. Full automatic isn't a particularly practical application for most civilian gun owners. Even the military doesn't provide full auto rifles anymore, the true assault weapon AR15 variants the military uses are selective fire but have single shot and 3-round burst mode. Even the military relegates truly automatic weapons to a small fraction of their infantrymen which wouldn't make sense if full auto was such the GodMode that gun control folks seem to think it is.

I'm guessing most pro gun folks feel about machine guns the same way I do - mildly disappointing they're restricted but a reasonable concession to allow them to be restricted so that the firearms we primarily care about and use (handguns, rifles, and shotguns in typical configurations and calibers) aren't restricted. It's a matter of allowing the bathwater to be thrown out in order to save the baby. Muscle car enthusiasts do something similar when they don't protest too much when laws are passed banning removing catalytic converters or whatnot. Sure some folks would do it without the law but it's better to live with that restriction than someone outlawing all engines above 100CC.

 

[Moonbeam]

Guns are pretty meaningless for people who live in civilized places. You go to the store for food and watch TV for entertainment, etc. Guns are expensive and there's no really convenient place you can play with them. Skate boards etc. are much better.

 

[Artdeco]

Guns are pretty meaningless for people who live in civilized places. You go to the store for food and watch TV for entertainment, etc. Guns are expensive and there's no really convenient place you can play with them. Skate boards etc. are much better.

And electric skateboards are even more fun 😀

I have 2.

 

[TakeNoPrisoners]

another post already had an answer for you....



So what do you call it when CA ends open carry once a group like the Black Panthers realizes they can also do it legally and it makes other people nervous....


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Oh no I agree, we should allow concealed and open carry in California.

I live here, it sucks not being able to carry.

Funny thing is, Republicans are now pushing for the ability to conceal carry while Democrats want everybody to be disarmed.

Looks like the Democrats are the racist ones by your logic.

 

[Artdeco]

https://youtu.be/hZklAh26uYA

This guy is awesome, need to meet him sometime in Dallas

 

[Spungo]

No argument on the statement that increased lawful firearm ownership by non-whites is a good thing.

Absolutely. Most black people are regular people. Gang bangers are a loud and problematic minority in black communities; they are never the majority. It's not like Detroit's population is half a million gang members. It's half a million normal people and a few thousand gang members.

 

[Moonbeam]

Now I can add the coming race war to my reasons to go long on the arms industry. And let me also say BOOOOO! You da one I'm after.....