Most transparent admin in history at it again.

CLite

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Recently, the Tallahassee police department revealed it had used stingrays at least 200 times since 2010 without telling any judge because the device’s manufacturer made the police department sign a non-disclosure agreement that police claim prevented them from disclosing use of the device to the courts.

I'm at a loss for words.
 

mrjminer

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I'm at a loss for words.

That's some obvious bullshit they are spinning. There is no way their DAs told them not to disclose information to a judge due to a private company NDA. I'm guessing they took it upon themselves to omit the information and left their own legal arms out of the loop intentionally. These guys are in for some indictments.
 

davmat787

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https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-...ls-seize-local-cops-cell-phone-tracking-files

What a whiny bitch.

A local police department does not have jurisdiction over a federal investigation. The files weren't theirs to release. If the ACLU wants the files they have to ask the agency to whom they belong.

The US Marshall Service deputized a police officer and gave him some bs title. Did you read red flags 1-3? The article seems to say local police and the Marshalls are working together to suppress files from the ACLUs FOIA request.

However, by law, the filing of the FOIA request mandates that relevant files be held for 30 days, which they didn't do.

Just another example of a law enforcement agency demonstrating that the law does not apply to them, but rather only to the plebian.

The other takeaway is government will do anything to suppress information regarding stingray use from the public.
 

DominionSeraph

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The US Marshall Service deputized a police officer and gave him some bs title. Did you read red flags 1-3? The article seems to say local police and the Marshalls are working together to suppress files from the ACLUs FOIA request.

He would have been deputized to work a federal case. The US Marshals went in to stop some idiot PA officer from releasing information that wasn't theirs to release. State FOIA has no jurisdiction over federal entities.

Now go away.
 
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davmat787

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He would have been deputized to work a federal case. The US Marshals went in to stop some idiot from releasing information that wasn't theirs to release. State FOIA has no jurisdiction over federal entities.

Now go away.

You really don't see that the Marshalls were given the files so Sarasota Police would have an excuse to not comply with the FOIA request?

On what basis do you claim the Marshalls own this? They didn't create the investigation.

But a few hours before that appointment, an assistant city attorney sent an email cancelling the meeting on the basis that the U.S. Marshals Service was claiming the records as their own and instructing the local cops not to release them. Their explanation: the Marshals Service had deputized the local officer, and therefore the records were actually the property of the federal government.
We emphatically disagree, since the Sarasota detective created the applications, brought them to court, and retained the applications and orders in his files. Merely giving him a second title (“Special Deputy U.S. Marshal”) does not change these facts. But regardless, once the Sarasota Police Department received our records request, state law required them to hold onto the records for at least 30 days, to give us an opportunity to go to court and seek an order for release of the documents.
 
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CLite

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He would have been deputized to work a federal case. The US Marshals went in to stop some idiot PA officer from releasing information that wasn't theirs to release. State FOIA has no jurisdiction over federal entities.

Now go away.

Educate thyself you little pony, all his applications were for state police work and for multiple cases. He was deputized last minute and for obvious illegal reasons - blocking freedom of information requests. I hope the law comes down hard on all this fishiness in Florida. The ACLU is doing good work here, I'm amazed at how ready you are to throw them under the bus in support of illegal/warrant-less police activity.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-...ls-seize-local-cops-cell-phone-tracking-files
 

davmat787

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Educate thyself you little pony, all his applications were for state police work and for multiple cases. He was deputized last minute and for obvious illegal reasons - blocking freedom of information requests. I hope the law comes down hard on all this fishiness in Florida. The ACLU is doing good work here, I'm amazed at how ready you are to throw them under the bus in support of illegal/warrant-less police activity.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-...ls-seize-local-cops-cell-phone-tracking-files

Yea, I have no idea how or where he came up with his angle, all the files originated with the Sarasota PD. I'm guessing he read the thread title and went into a fit of anger before understanding what is really going on here. But he's only interested in trying to troll others than have an actual civil thread.
 

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As an Independent who voted for Obama, I am extremely disappointed with the direction his Presidency has taken. That said, I am not sure I am ready to vote in another Republican to start yet another senseless war.

Will we ever have a choice that represents the people? Have we ever had that choice?
 

Genx87

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As an Independent who voted for Obama, I am extremely disappointed with the direction his Presidency has taken. That said, I am not sure I am ready to vote in another Republican to start yet another senseless war.

Will we ever have a choice that represents the people? Have we ever had that choice?

Only when we demand a 3rd party candidate. But the issue is most independents would rather pick the lesser of two evils than support a 3rd party candidate.
 

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,... the device’s manufacturer made the police department sign a non-disclosure agreement that police claim prevented them from disclosing use of the device to the courts.

This was all done, as per the private business' requirement - why are you going after the practices of private businesses OP?
 

Genx87

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This was all done, as per the private business' requirement - why are you going after the practices of private businesses OP?

For starters you really believe an NDA trumps the judicial process? Second, the article's main point is the administrations marshal service showed up to confiscate a FOIA request from a local police department.
 

werepossum

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For starters you really believe an NDA trumps the judicial process? Second, the article's main point is the administrations marshal service showed up to confiscate a FOIA request from a local police department.
Evidently he signed an agreement that requires him to be the voice of stupid in every thread.

This is just swell. If it holds up in court, then every police entity can require NDAs on all such equipment they purchase to dodge warrant requirements and the feds can simply swoop in and snatch all the records by deputizing one cop in one case.

Obama truly is the President Nixon could only dream of being.
 

DominionSeraph

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You really don't see that the Marshalls were given the files so Sarasota Police would have an excuse to not comply with the FOIA request?

No, because I'm not an idiot incapable of seeing more likely scenario and so limited to such a conclusion, as are you.
"You don't see that the Earth is flat?"
No.

Also, learn to spell. We're not talking about a department store.

On what basis do you claim the Marshalls own this? They didn't create the investigation.

On what basis do you claim the local PD owns this? You fail to consider the possibility of the initiation of a federal case which leaves you with nothing but the conclusion that it is a local case which leads you to your absurd conspiracy theory.

Scenario 1:
This was a US Marshals case. The US Marshals deputized the LEO in question, who then proceeded with the federal investigation. Local PD gets a request for information as to the device in question, sees that they have files in their possession which pertain to it, and agree to release them thinking they are theirs. US Marshals get wind of this and say, "Uh uh. No. Those don't belong to you." Then a whiny, self-entitled lolbertarian lawyer cries because reality didn't conspire to make everything he wants fall into his lap on his first try.

Scenario 2:
This was a local PD case. A request comes in as to the use of the device. The local PD agrees to release the information. The US Marshals get wind (how?) that a random local PD is being asked about its use of one of these devices, and in some grand conspiracy to defend "universal secrecy" as to the use of the device, swoop down, deputize a random LEO officer to somehow claim that these files are theirs, and whisk them away in order to stymie their greatest threat: the ACLU lawyer who is whining about this!

You believe Scenario 2, yet you have to invent your conspiracy first in order for the US Marshals to have any reason to intervene.

"I believe the lizard people exist. The government doesn't want people to know the lizard people exist. The government is institutionalizing me? IT MUST BE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THE LIZARD PEOPLE EXIST!"

The US Marshals have no cause to intervene to protect local methods. Their authority supersede state law. If a local jurisdiction banned the use of firearms by its PD and an ACLU lawyer asked for documents as to whether that PD was carrying firearms on the sly, would the US Marshals have to come in and seize any documentation to the affirmative in order to justify their carrying of firearms? No.
This is beyond you, though.

Educate thyself you little pony, all his applications were for state police work and for multiple cases. He was deputized last minute and for obvious illegal reasons - blocking freedom of information requests.

L2read. Nowhere does it say any of that. You want to see a conspiracy so you've invented one. Stop boring me with your nonsense.
 
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BoberFett

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LOL, Democrats. They still refuse to believe they've been hoodwinked by Hope and Change.
 

MongGrel

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http://www.wired.com/2014/06/feds-seize-stingray-documents/

Not sure I have ever heard of a federal agency taking evidence from a local police department to deny a freedom of information request.

This program is paid for by the feds and used by local police departments.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/08/cellphone-data-spying-nsa-police/3902809/
Bit of old news to begin with if you didn't know this was going on.

Dubya did it with Halliburton guys all the time I believe, who weren't even police.
 
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zanejohnson

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think about how in our sister country north korea, the people probably bitch about the same things...


they just dont have forums to do it in.... because they let the surveillance state progress a little past where we have right now.....................oh but they're trying.