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Most Republicans and Many Democrats should be Libertarians

The Libertarian party basically is everything the Republicans supposed to be, with some nice extras. We don't just talk small government, when we finally do get in power, everything we pass will work in that direction with no exceptions. We support the Americans that work for their money, and want them to keep it. We provide real solutions backed up by evidence to the lazy Americans and the troublemakers. We don't want to have anything at all to do with your life, live it how you see fit, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. But if you are a burden to society, you will have to rely on those that are willing to help you out. We don't believe in pyramid schemes and theft like the other political parties. With the ultra-low tax burden, I'm sure generiosity will flourish under a Libertarian run government.

The Added Bonuses:

- No bigotry towards gays

- No bigotry towards whites

- Equal Access for all

- No fear of influence from the religious right

- No fear of influence from the liberal left

Join the cause for the party of principle

www.lp.org

 
Hey, I voted for a few of you people this time around. I like Libertarians. I have several friends who are Libertarian.

Russ, NCNE
 
Republicans, used to be good, but they compromised to get votes, now there screwed cause they compromised too much.
 
ICyourNipple (god, I hope you can't see mine)

I do have to agree with you in general. Hopefully, next time around, a third party will win!

I just knew that wouldn't happen this time, but I believe that is going to change.
 
I wish more people would vote Libertarian. I know people who voted for Nader (ugh) because they "wanted a third choice". Jeez...the Socialist wing of the Dem party is more like it.
 
There is only one flaw in the Libertarian platform: It assumes that people are intelligent and rational. While I agree with most of the Libertarian ideals, practical necessity dictates that I, for the most part, be a Republican. Libertarianism will only be practicable when the average IQ rises above 140 (Genius level). Pragmatism dictates Republicanism and Democratism, the idealism is handled by parties such as the Greens and the Libertarians.

Aaron Meyer
 
I agree, two big problems though.

1)

Too many Republicans are too pig headed to be labeled with anything remotely close to "liber..." in the title. They automatically assume that somebody is calling one of them tree hugging, socialistic liberals that they seem to hate so much. In other words, in a lot of people's eyes, libertarian = liberal. Too bad they are so far from the truth 🙁

2)

Libertarians are almost at the other end of the scale from modern Democrats. About the only position that modern democrats share with libertarians is that of abortion. Both are mainly pro-choice, but for different reasons.

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You'll have a much easier time swaying Republicans that direction than democrats.
 
Actually, Browne is pro-life, but he doesn't think the government (the federal gov't, at least) should interfere in that decision.
 
vi-edit is right.

Mr Isla the Republican really is a Libertarian at heart, which is fine with me.... but I want some assurance that the land, air, and water is going to be protected. I am not going to just trust humans to take care of natural resources.... remember what happened to the whales! No, I want legislation that requires sensible and responsible use of our resources.

Add that to the list of things the Libertarians will do for me and I might be sold.

😉
 
That's why I said different reasons. Libertarians take the approach that individual choices are best left up to the individuals.

 
Zenmervolt,

I disagree. If you have average intelligence and work hard you will be fine. And if you don't work hard? Hope someone will help out. If not, tough beans, I'm not feeling sorry for em'.

Vi edit,

Thats why we need to spread the word. We are now in the internet generation, and the LP is already showing signs of breaking out, based on my observations. Soooo many Republicans are leaning further and further to the Libertarian platform, yet are hesistent to proclaim proudly that they actually are a Libertarian.

As for Democrats, they rely on the liberal media and false claims to get to where they are. If people knew the truth, they wouldn't want anything to do with them. At the least, if Libertarians get the support of the Republicans, we can take control of quite a bit.

Isla,

The Libertarians are not for sale, and are the most rational and intelligent of any party. If things get out of control, you can trust them. That sounds crazy in this day and age, but I trust the LP to do the right thing. The other issues are much greater in my view than the environment alone.
 
ICyourNipple The 'Added Bunuses all add up to ...
Libertarians Don't Have A Chance In Hell Of Getting Elected!!

Looks like you are trying to tell people how to THINK!

I know of ZERO Libertarian Governments so how can you be so sure it will work....easy answer here! It wouldn't!
 
Nipple, I consider myself very intelligent and rational and I feel that Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, the Love Canal, and so on and so forth simply cannot be forgotten.

And Libertarians don't have to be for sale, but they do have to sell themselves. Your original post IS a sales pitch. You win some, you lose some.

😉
 
Way to go Tominator! When some of you baby boomers start thinning out, and some open minded folks take your places, maybe we will have a chance.

Until then, we'll have too many people entrenched in the bipartisan mindset to get anywhere.
 
Tominator

I know of ZERO Libertarian Governments so how can you be so sure it will work....easy answer here! It wouldn't!

Sigh...ignorance prevails. What do you think THIS country was? The libertarians want to take us back to our roots.



 
Isla

How could the environment get worse than uder our current administration? I myself won't drink tap water, Gore lied about building a garbage incinerator in Texas, air pollution is terrible. What are you trying to protect by voting Republican or Democratic? Libertarian government would bring innovation to all time highs where technology will be better able to take care of the pollution problem.
 
Nipple, I would LOVE to see some solutions. I am not a Republican or a Democrat... I'm planning to reregister as an Independent when the dust settles again.

I am by NO MEANS sworn to any party, and never have been. Also, I had a boyfriend who was a Libertarian before I met Mr Isla. He was smart, and I respected his views. So, what little I do know about the Libertarians, I agree with. I need more info... you know, I'm no dummy and I'm not about to make any decisions blindly. The problem is in sifting through all the BS... that takes about forever these days... 😛
 
Just as I suspected, after the embaressing statement, Tominator didn't respond. I have another comment for ya.

"Looks like you are trying to tell people how to THINK!"

What do you think is going on in our public education system with programs like DARE telling kids that know nothing that "drugs are bad". That kind of blanket statement is baseless and equivalent to saying "food is bad". Some things are, and some things aren't. Blanket statements like "drugs are bad" are examples of great ignorance and brainwashing.

It's so funny when people who are pro-choice are against drugs..."Don't tell us what to do with our bodies, but I can tell you what to do with yours!"

"Libertarians Don't Have A Chance In Hell Of Getting Elected!!"

A Rasmussen survey showed there are more Libertarians than either liberals or conservatives. Despite brainwashing by the liberal media and universities, still more are libertarian.

 
I like the Libertarian position, seems to be the right mix of Democratic (i.e. abortion rights etc.) and Republican (i.e. fiscal conservativism etc.) issues. The problem with voting Libertarian is which do I want more: To put a Libertarian into the White House or keep a Republican out of the White House. It's a decision I struggle with everytime the election is close between the Crats and Pubes. 😉
 
Steve,

Keep in mind many Democrats are Libertarians at heart. For example, Tripleshot, one of the most vocal Al Gore supporters of this board, would like to vote Libertarian in the future. This year he just wanted to defeat GWB. If Libertarians take a stand, it will take votes from both Republicans and Democrats. Lots of people are Democrats based on abortion and the complete disagreement with the religious right faction of the Republicans, but agree with Libertarians on most issues.
 
I support most of the Libertarian platform but take issue with a few elements. While I don't believe that government should legislate morality, I also believe that there are some instances in which an absolute morality should outweigh personal freedom for the good of all citizens and to avoid a society of chaos and anarchy. Abortion and drug use are the two main points that I disagree with to an extent.

While I have no problem with any consenting adult doing whatever they wish with their body with whomever or whatever they wish, as long as its not on a public streetcorner or infringes upon anyone else's rights, I do think that complete freedom for individuals that wish to consume mind altering substances is certainly not a good idea. Perhaps if they would agree to give up their right to interact with society on a regular basis they could partake as much as they wished, but I for one do not relish the idea of walking out the door to face a drugged individual behind the wheel of a car, driving the local school bus, or walking the street carrying a loaded gun. If society could be assured protection from the individual during his drugged state then I have no problem with anyone consuming all the illicit drugs they wish.

I also believe in the sanctity of life and that our society should protect life above all else. I happen to believe that an unborn fetus is an unborn life, and deserves protection under the law. I've heard the arguments that a woman has a right do what she wishes with her own body. I totally and wholeheartedly agree with that, however I fundamentally disagree with the premise that a fetus is part of a woman's body. If that were indeed the case then she could retain it within her for her entire life and take it with her to the grave like any other body part, yet we all know that is not the case. I also find it very hypocritical that our society can allow abortion on demand yet create laws that can be used as additional charges against someone if they do harm to that fetus. A drunk driver causing an accident which leads to the death of a fetus can be criminally charged for doing so in addition to all other charges. If a fetus is nothing more than part of a woman's body then couldn't you also make a case to charge that drunk driver with bruising of a spleen, breaking of a rib, or chipping of a tooth? The dual standard makes no sense whatsoever to me.

As for most of the rest of the platform I am in total agreement with. I belive that our federal government as it is today is totally unconstitutional. I believe that the founders of this nation intended for the individual states to retain most all of the powers now usurped by the federal government. I believe the federal income tax to be unconstitutional as well as most of the federal laws, regulations, and agencies. Not all, but the vast majority. I believe that government, any government whether federal, state, or local, should be as small and the least intrusive into our personal lives and freedoms as possible. I believe that personal freedom and liberty without the shackles or taxes of government, as well as responsibility for one's own life, well-being, and destiny were the principals leading to this nation's foundation. It really saddens me to see how far we have strayed from our original greatness.

Having said all of that, I am faced with the practicality of living in our society as it is now. I fervently hope with all my heart and every fiber of my being that someday enough people will grow weary enough of their shackles and their unquenched yearning for freedom and liberty that they will rise up and reclaim ownership of this once great nation from those who have prostituted it into the babylonic whore that it has become. Until then, I must be content with picking and choosing battles of issues incrementally in the hope that each small victory will bring us all one step closer to what we once were.
 
IC, i agree with you almost wholeheartedly, i too voted for Browne this election. You may indeed be right, that many more folks are in fact closer to the Libertarian side of issues than they might realize. There is only one problem with those same voters (and potential voters) though... to recognize and understand the concepts of the Libertarian platform and mindset would actually require them to THINK (oh, the horrors!).

Given the opportunity to be explained , the positions of the Libertarians and the logic behind them makes sense to lots of people. That's the problem... that the position cannot be summed up in a 5 second sound bite makes it much harder for the ideas to take root and spread. Even my mother, the quintessential 'soccer mom' (now, soccer grandmother of 61) understood and even agreed with many of the Lib positions, but only after they were explained to her in detail. It took me perhaps 10 minutes to convey the reasoning and logic behind the Libertarian position on abortion, for example, and that's one of the simpler issues to explain, IMHO.

Most voters simply have neither the patience, nor willingness, to have both the positions and reasons behind these positions, explained to them. Until that changes (and i'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it), the Libertarian movement will never be able to grow beyond a small core of people willing to think for themselves, and 'get it'. Mainstream politicians have been sucessful because they seem to be have realized and cater to most voters' simplistic desires to be spoon-fed complex issues. Even the rhetoric has been reduced to the level of "politics for dummies." Witness some of the slogans from recent years: "read my lips," "it's the economy, stupid," and now the infamous "richest 1%." In another thread, someone said that politics in America has been reduced to catering to 'the dumbest common denominator.' I'm afraid that's the case, and the U.S. voter seems to like it that way.
 
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