Most intelligent people are Atheist.

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Eli
Well, duh?

Flame me all you want, but in my experience religious people tend to be pretty close-minded. There are exceptions of course, but in general.

Nope. People, in general, are closed minded. I have a very close friend who is extremely stubborn and close-minded about many things. Even if he is proven wrong, he will instinctively deny it. Nice guy, but hella stubborn although very smart. He is also a fanatical atheist. I don't talk to him about religion unles she brings it up though. Mostly politics, cars, basketball, and biking.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: AMDZen
I'd say the article is illogical.

Most intellectuals are agnostic. There is a big difference between aetheist and agnostic. Its no more logical to think you can KNOW god doesn't exist, then it is to have the same naive attitude the religious zealots do when they claim to KNOW god does. What makes those religious people even more ignorant is the fact they believe to know exactly what god expects of us, on top of that blind faith in his/her/its existance. Sure, I know a lot of very smart people who believe that there is a god, or some higher being - but they don't usually follow one of the simple faiths found in our cultures around the world - in that they may subscribe to some things in one religion and some in another. Overall, they realize that all religions are going to be wrong at least some of the time.

I won't deny that there isn't a god, but I don't necessarily believe there is one either. There are times when I believe there has to be a higher being, and I'm probably right - but that being won't be limited to the singular context I'm using it in. It could have been an entire civilization that created us, or a consciousness consisting of thousands or even millions of individual "consciousness's" or something. I don't pretend to know or understand either way, and frankly that just makes me lose respect for anyone who thinks they do. Whether they're theist's (namely Christians) or Aetheists who believe that there is NO GOD whatsoever. I'm open to the possibility that all gods, spoken of since the dawn of time in human beliefs, exist in some form. I'm not going to say they can't, but chances are if there is one such being - there are several.

not to take this thread in a different direction, but *knowing* is different than *believing*. i am atheist and agnostic... i don't believe god exists (just like you say you don't), but that doesn't mean that i think i know for sure that one doesn't exist.

However - it is the same thing with most religious people, and alsomost aetheists. You can't be aetheist and agnostic, sorry. You are simply agnostic. A religious person's faith is their belief, yes - however ask any of them and they will say that they KNOW god exists. Its a fact to them, otherwise their faith isn't entire, and their belief in their god isn't unshakeable. Same with a lot of aetheists. Although a lot of them think they are aetheist, they aren't unless they believe there is no god. Sorry but your argument doesn't really hold any water. If someone believes something, that is the truth to them - unless they don't know what to believe, that is the definition of agnostic.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: kranky
DVK916, have you ever thought about why you are such a militant atheist? I've seen you post in every religious-oriented thread, and start your own. For a topic that - according to your own beliefs - is complete fantasy, you have a intense interest in discussing it.

Were you raised in a religious home and later rejected those beliefs? Or were you yourself religious at one time? I'm trying to understand why you post so often on this topic when it apparently has no meaning to you.

No I was raised Buddhist, and was a practicing Buddhist for most of my life, until I realize how stupid it was.

Also what is a militant atheist. I am not some extreme atheist.

For our local ATOT Genious Atheist here :roll:

Infidels.org
Militant Athiesm, ignorant too

More mainstream Atheists

Check those out if you want to. I like reading it every once in a while. Still Christian though.

I am actually a member of infidels.org forums. I don't use the nick dvk916 though, I have another one that I use. They are very open minded overthere.

It is funny you would think that infidels is so open minded.

I find that American Atheists are much more open minded. Infidels is directly confrontational and militant about their beliefs, and many of them are just whiny about how atheists are so mistreated in the world and how religion is outdated and unneeded (Nietzsche and Marx both failed at life using their atheistic ideas of men without religion) :roll:. Give me a freaking break.

If you are really open-minded, try to read some Christian and other religion pieces of work more in depth. I did the same. Still do when I have time. I even read atheist stuff. It really gives you a more global view of things and makes you more respectful and tolerant. You may not agree with people that religion is a good thing and you can follow an open discussion to learn from each other, but what you are doing just shows your inexperience/immaturity, your lack of knowledge on the subject, and a little overall idiocy.

 

[MiniDoom]

Most intelligent people are Atheist? Thank you DVK916 for proving the scientist wrong.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I wonder why Christianity is the most popular Religion in the World. Is it because you can fail at it time and time again but it's ok because you are forgiven?

Regardless of their ethical, moral or religious convictions, people the world over fail at things in their life constantly. Most, if not all, of these people are forgiven at one point in their life.

To somehow spin this into a negative behavior and apply it solely to Christianity is disingenuous, or otherwise demeaning, to practically everybody in the world who has failed and were forgiven.

To disagree with something is one matter, and for the record I no longer consider myself a practicing Christian so I don't think I have a bias of sorts to be pro-Christian. However to make bone-headed statements in an attempt to blindly attack Christianity when the statement in question can be applied to practically everybody in the world, past present and future, is unacceptable and feeble-minded.

 

[mrchan]

How do you correlate scientists being atheist and most intelligent people being atheist?

Are most intelligent people scientists? Guess all the lawyers, politicians, city officials, etc aren't intelligent.....

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: mrchan
How do you correlate scientists being atheist and most intelligent people being atheist?

Are most intelligent people scientists? Guess all the lawyers, politicians, city officials, etc aren't intelligent.....

pssst, the thread started as flamebait and did exactly what it set out to do.

 

[czech09]

Originally posted by: DingDingDao
This study is ridiculously biased. You can't ask people who are scientists if they believe in god. Of course the vast majority are going to be atheist. There are plenty of extremely intelligent people who do other things besides science and have a deep faith in god.

<--Neuroscientist (Masters Degree) / Atheist

^^^ complete agreement.

 

[Patrick Wolf]

Originally posted by: scottish144
Of course. This is exactly why ID was rejected by the scientific community. However, I believe that atheism is stupid. Skepticism (what I follow) is the belief of the POSSIBILITY that any number of gods may exist. God, Allah, Vishnu, and others may exist/co-exist/not exist. However, I consider the probability of their existance to be extremely low. In short: Stating that something has a low probability of existing is fine, but stating that something outright DOESN'T exist is stupid.

AH! That's it! I'm a skeptic. I knew I wasn't an atheist, and I'm not a religous person either. What you described is exactly what I feel, I just didn't know the right word. Haha, I'm glad I read this thread.

EDIT: Oh, actually I think I'm agnostic. (which is basically the same thing)

 

[Al Neri]

Most intelligent people have two eyes so then people with two eyes are definately intelligent.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I wonder why Christianity is the most popular Religion in the World. Is it because you can fail at it time and time again but it's ok because you are forgiven?

Regardless of their ethical, moral or religious convictions, people the world over fail at things in their life constantly. Most, if not all, of these people are forgiven at one point in their life.

To somehow spin this into a negative behavior and apply it solely to Christianity is disingenuous, or otherwise demeaning, to practically everybody in the world who has failed and were forgiven.

To disagree with something is one matter, and for the record I no longer consider myself a practicing Christian so I don't think I have a bias of sorts to be pro-Christian. However to make bone-headed statements in an attempt to blindly attack Christianity when the statement in question can be applied to practically everybody in the world, past present and future, is unacceptable and feeble-minded.

Well at least according to you. BTW it was a question, not a statement.

 

[MidasKnight]

Originally posted by: uhohs
Study shows people posting religion threads in ATOT tend to be trolls?

:thumbsup:

 

[FDF12389]

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
Most intelligent people have two eyes so then people with two eyes are definately intelligent.

:thumbsup:

 

[ahurtt]

Einstein on Science and Religion

I think we can all agree that Einstein was a pretty smart guy, right?

 

[RbSX]

oh ****** run for cover!

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: DVK916
Guess it hard to talk about this on ATOT since most people here are sky fairy worshipers.

No, it's just that we don't like you. You are a troll...not quite JLGatsby quality yet but I think that's because you are still in HS.

1. I am not a troll
2. I am not in HS


I am an open minded person thus an atheist, who can't stand why close minded people thus theist can't look at things logically and see that god doesn't exist.

I'm open minded and an athiest, my way is the right way and you are obviously closed-minded and wrong! /DVK916

Shouldn't you be in study hall or something?

I attend UC Davis, I am not in high school.

You must be a god believer, only a sky fairy worshiper would have such a nasty attitude towards an atheist.

you should transfer to UC berzerkly immediately.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Genx87
I see everybody else has noted the OPs closed mind so I wont pile it on.

But lets just say the OP wants to trade one religion for another.

I am not close minded, if I was then I would be a theist.

Trust us, you are closed minded.

Why dont you tells us about your grand idea that religion needs to be wiped off the face of the earth in order to build your Utopian communist society?

You are a great example of how far our university system has fallen.

the sad thing is there is probably a professor feeding him this line of thinking.

 

[engineereeyore]

Why are people considered close-minded simply because they have an opinion? Isn't it entirely possible that the person has studied the ideas, explored the facts, and come up with what he/she has determined to be the right way? How does that make someone close-minded? Now, if new ideas or whatever came out and they just dismissed them altogether without any additional thought, I could see that being construed as close-minded, but not if they actually examined the new idea. Doesn't mean they have to accept it, they just have to recognize that it's there. Wouldn't that then make them an open-minded person who has simply come to a decision?

I just think it's funny that religious people are always considered close-minded because they have an opinion on something. Seems like atheist are the same way. Why are they not considered close-minded? I'm not close-minded about whether God exist, I've just seen a lot more evidence that he does than I have that he doesn't.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Why are people considered close-minded simply because they have an opinion? Isn't it entirely possible that the person has studied the ideas, explored the facts, and come up with what he/she has determined to be the right way? How does that make someone close-minded? Now, if new ideas or whatever came out and they just dismissed them altogether without any additional thought, I could see that being construed as close-minded, but not if they actually examined the new idea. Doesn't mean they have to accept it, they just have to recognize that it's there. Wouldn't that then make them an open-minded person who has simply come to a decision?

I just think it's funny that religious people are always considered close-minded because they have an opinion on something. Seems like atheist are the same way. Why are they not considered close-minded? I'm not close-minded about whether God exist, I've just seen a lot more evidence that he does than I have that he doesn't.

What "evidence" is this?

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

What "evidence" is this?

Experiences that some consider to be miracles, answers to prayers, and blessings as a result of faith. Some can chalk it up to as yet unexplained science or coincidence or anything else they want to. If so, I'd have to say I have a very large quota of coincidence in my life.

And also, being as there is not evidence to dispute the existence of a God, why should I not attribute it to him?

 

[triska]

INTELLIGENCE IS A ARBITRARY TERM PEOPLE.
DANG. INTELLIGENCE ACCORDING TO THIS IS ...OH FORGOT ABOUT THE CAPS LOCK... probably relating to the number of ideas that pass at any point in time and the questions that follow for any given statement. The rejection in the belief of God only helps to further question, it does not improve the intellect, at best it would just create a more hyperactive mind, where also in retrospect, it can create a type of mind that asks too many unnecessary questions. this people would not consider intelligent if you spent your time thinking endlessly of something that has no objective or goal, just as thinking faster or deeper into a topic could be also as pointless of a goal depending on personal preference. Define intelligence and then you can define the answer to this statement. stop posting, it only makes me and everyone else more angry. have some confidence people. and its hard going against a larger crowd, so instead, let us all toast to the fact we can argue, to the fact we must all live to argue. Life is wonderful, and so is this nice beer poured from the Heavenly keg. Yes. I heart life when there is a keg next to me. Cheer Cheer for beer! CHEER CHEER. now for another 10pt pour.

 

[spamsk8r]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Genx87
I see everybody else has noted the OPs closed mind so I wont pile it on.

But lets just say the OP wants to trade one religion for another.

I am not close minded, if I was then I would be a theist.

You are an idiot and clearly a troll.

QFT. Not because you're an atheist, but because you're a moron.

 

[LukeMan]

Einstein and Newton both believed in a God, they must be anomolies?

 

[ta8689]

Well, in my opinion, its the way you think, not how smart you are. The way you personally decipher things and your logic. Alot of smart people are athiest because they overthink things and dont trust people, they need proof of everything. So there can be your high athiest percentage. Others are genious and believe in god. Thats fine too. They put their beliefs and logics other places.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: DVK916
http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/Jesus/Intelligence%20&%20religion.htm

This study clearly shows that those with higher intelligence tend to reject god beliefs. Other studies in the past have also found a correlation between religiousness and god belief.

For the first claim: I don't buy the numbers. My own experience throughout college and my professional career (as a scientist) has shown me just the opposite. I see more professors and college educated people believing in a God than I see in non-college educated people.

As for the second claim: I should call in Captain Obvious.

Did you go to a Catholic university or something? Almost all of my (scientific) professors are atheists, although I'm uncertain on a few of them that I don't know very well

Are you sure you aren't just mistaken? Did you ask them if they were atheist or not? How many of your professors do you know on a personal level?