Most heinous use of WMD in history

[M0RPH]

There were over 200,000 casualties (100k Japanese military, 50k American, at least 50k civilian) combined in taking Okinawa. If it took that many to take one little island, image what the mainland would have required.

There is no reason we would have needed to invade Japan. That's just a BS excuse that most of the sheep in this country will accept, because it makes us feel better. Nothing much has changed... we are still accepting the BS that our government feeds us as excuses for things like invading Iraq and meddling in Libya.

 

[OCGuy]

They see me trollin', they hatin...

 

[M0RPH]

exactly. i would have hated to see the Japanese death toll. considering every male would be fighting to the death. just thinking about it is staggering.

Yes, if the war continued, many more SOLDIERS would have died. Not 200,000 innocent CIVILIANS in two days.

 

[Nik]

I found a picture of the OP

 

[M0RPH]

Don't start nothing you can't finish.

Pearl Harbor was a military target. We dropped nukes on innocent civilians. Big difference. Hence the word "heinous".

 

[Brainonska511]

Yes, if the war continued, many more SOLDIERS would have died. Not 200,000 innocent CIVILIANS in two days.

Were they really innocent? They were supporting the war effort.

And who cares if it was 2 days or 2 years. They're still DEAD.

Plus, over 500,000 civilians died in the firebombing campaigns of Japan.

 

[BoomerD]

Pearl Harbor was a military target. We dropped nukes on innocent civilians. Big difference. Hence the word "heinous".

The Japanese didn't kill "innocent civilians?"

I think you need to read more history books.

IMO, we should have also targeted Tokyo, Kyoto, and Osaka, and damned sure we took out the Emperor.

 

[Brainonska511]

Even though you're trolling away, here's a real response.

Pearl Harbor was a military target. We dropped nukes on innocent civilians. Big difference. Hence the word "heinous".

Right.... not military targets you say...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima#World_War_II_and_atomic_bombing

During World War II, the Second Army and Chugoku Regional Army were headquartered in Hiroshima, and the Army Marine Headquarters was located at Ujina port. The city also had large depots of military supplies, and was a key center for shipping.[13]

The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest sea ports in southern Japan and was of great wartime importance because of its wide-ranging industrial activity, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Nagasaki_during_World_War_II

 

[M0RPH]

Plus, over 500,000 civilians died in the firebombing campaigns of Japan.

Ok, thank you, that's what I was looking for with this thread. Other examples of heinous use of WMD. So I guess the USA gets credit for #1 and #2 so far. Any more?

 

[shiner]

They see me trollin', they hatin...

 

[Brainonska511]

Ok, thank you, that's what I was looking for with this thread. Other examples of heinous use of WMD. So I guess the USA gets credit for #1 and #2 so far. Any more?

It's not like the Japanese were innocent victims here. They devastated Eastern Asia with their horrendous campaigns, slaughtering Chinese and Koreans, slavery of POWs and nonJapanese...

 

[shiner]

Ok, thank you, that's what I was looking for with this thread. Other examples of heinous use of WMD. So I guess the USA gets credit for #1 and #2 so far. Any more?

 

[ch33zw1z]

WMD = weapons of mass destruction

I guess the most heinous use of WMD was by the United States in 1945 when it dropped two nuclear bombs over Japan killing approximately 200,000 people. Have there been any other uses of WMD anywhere near as bad as this in history?

(I'd also like to mention how ironic it is that we are now the moral police of the world in regards to WMD, given that we were responsible for the most heinous use of WMD in history, and still to this day possess more WMD than any other country.)

It may be ironic, but some feel is was necessary at the time to end the Japanese attack on the U.S. while we were still involved in WWII

 

[JulesMaximus]

We are holier than thou though. The moral compass of the world. Everything we do is righteous and just...didn't you know?

 

[blackdogdeek]

nanking

 

[rudder]

There is no reason we would have needed to invade Japan. That's just a BS excuse that most of the sheep in this country will accept, because it makes us feel better. Nothing much has changed... we are still accepting the BS that our government feeds us as excuses for things like invading Iraq and meddling in Libya.

Ask any marine who fought in the pacific in WWII.... they accept that excuse whether it is valid or not.

 

[FallenHero]

Looks like someone just got back from their first history course with some super liberal professor/teacher and now they come to ATOT proclaiming they know everything there is about our use of nuclear weapons on japan. Congrats?

 

[TheVrolok]

Tosting in a proll thread?

 

[TheNinja]

In the famous words of John Rambo

"They drew first blood, not me......
....they drew first blood...."

 

[joesmoke]

the cash for clunkers program. so there.

 

[KentState]

I would consider that the best use of WMD in history. We effectively ended a war that would be fought on foreign soil without losing a since American life.

 

[frostedflakes]

500,000 alone were killed in conventional bombing campaigns on Japanese cities leading up to the use of the atomic bombs. Casualties on both sides were projected to be enormous with an invasion. It's easy to knee-jerk on this issue, but the reality is that the use of the atomic bombs brought a quick end to the war and very possibly resulted in fewer casualties (certainly among the Allies, but maybe even among the Japanese as well) than a full-blown invasion would have.

Japan's military leaders were also idiots for not surrendering immediately after Hiroshima. The US told them more cities would be bombed if they didn't surrender, but they chose not to and we called them on their bluff. Thankfully Hirohito stepped in after Nagasaki and put an end to the war.

 

[JTsyo]

There is no reason we would have needed to invade Japan. That's just a BS excuse that most of the sheep in this country will accept, because it makes us feel better. Nothing much has changed... we are still accepting the BS that our government feeds us as excuses for things like invading Iraq and meddling in Libya.

This helps put it in perspective:

During World War II, nearly 500,000 Purple Heart medals were manufactured in anticipation of the estimated casualties resulting from the planned Allied invasion of Japan. To the present date, total combined American military casualties of the sixty-five years following the end of World War II — including the Korean and Vietnam Wars — have not exceeded that number. In 2003, there were still 120,000 of these Purple Heart medals in stock.

Way more would have died during an invasion. Not only that, I don't think we would have the same relation we have with Japan now if we were forced to invade and kill millions before they surrendered. It would have affected both countries' psych.

Also take a look at civilian casualties of countries that were invaded (France, China, Russia and Germany). Kind of surprised by the 1.5-2.5 million dead in India, didn't know of any fighting going on there. Britain vs Japan?

 

[bobdole369]

I still don't buy this:

Way more would have died during an invasion.

How do we know? Can someone point me to something besides wikipedia? Something where real science was used to provide proof that a country would act a certain way when we did something that had never been done before? I'm willing to learn. I just don't see how this conclusion is drawn from the evidence.

 

[shiner]

the cash for clunkers program. so there.

Hey....I'm in your sig. Where's my royalty check?