Most advanced nation in the world, in modern times....

[hasu]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...8986c2-6ca5-11e7-9c15-177740635e83_story.html

 

[Sunburn74]

I found this to be shocking. A reprimand alone is not enough. People's lives were ruined but this sort of action.

Then again, none of it is new. Black people have been talking about this stuff for decades and the american populace is shocked to finally see its all true.

 

[vi edit]

Jefferson Beauregard Sessions The Third Approved!

Seriously...with the signalling given at the highest law office in the country it's no wonder this stuff happens and is largely swept under the rug.

 

[Double Trouble]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...8986c2-6ca5-11e7-9c15-177740635e83_story.html

Where are we heading to?
How can anyone safe guard themselves from the police especially if they have a search warrant?

Where are we heading to? You think this kind of crap hasn't always happened and continues to happen everywhere in the world? Misdeeds by the police are nothing new. I'd argue that with body cams (which, by the way IMO the cops should never be able to turn off without official logs and specific reasons, under threat of criminal prosecution for illegal tampering if cameras are inappropriately turned off), we now have way more chance of accountability than at any time in history. Is it perfect? Hell no, but show me a system that's perfect.......

 

[Double Trouble]

Jefferson Beauregard Sessions The Third Approved!

Seriously...with the signalling given at the highest law office in the country it's no wonder this stuff happens and is largely swept under the rug.

Are you seriously naive enough to think this stuff is something new and that local police officers are all of a sudden taking their guidance from some federal official in DC?

 

[Humpy]

The "this isn't new" argument is dumb as fuck.

 

[K1052]

I found this to be shocking. A reprimand alone is not enough. People's lives were ruined but this sort of action.

Then again, none of it is new. Black people have been talking about this stuff for decades and the american populace is shocked to finally see its all true.

We'll see a stern reprimand.

By "reprimand" I mean paid leave, a transfer, and a pat on the back from the police union.

 

[Double Trouble]

I found this to be shocking. A reprimand alone is not enough. People's lives were ruined but this sort of action.

The explanation for the video, that the officer was re-doing the "finding" with the body cam on because it was previously found while the camera was off (ie, for documentation) is technically possible, but I don't find it believable or logical. I also don't think a reprimand for planting evidence is sufficient: it should be a crime. If police officer testimony and evidence is accepted in court and people are charged with a crime, then planting evidence (or lying about what happened) should similarly be considered a crime and the cop should be charged with a crime IMO. No reprimand or even suspension. Charge him with a crime.

Then again, none of it is new. Black people have been talking about this stuff for decades and the american populace is shocked to finally see its all true.

I wouldn't go as far as "it's all true". Yes, this stuff has happened forever, we're just getting a better glimpse into reality because of everyone having a camera phone and these body cams. At the same time, body cams and recordings have also shown many instances of people claiming to have been victims of police abuse when that was clearly not the case at all.

 

[Double Trouble]

The "this isn't new" argument is dumb as fuck.

The only thing "dumb as fuck" is you for not understanding the argument being made. "this isn't anything new" isn't in any way excusing the behavior or condoning it. Just pointing out that this has been happening forever -- technology is just giving us more information.

 

[Humpy]

The only thing "dumb as fuck" is you for not understanding the argument being made. "this isn't anything new" isn't in any way excusing the behavior or condoning it. Just pointing out that this has been happening forever -- technology is just giving us more information.

I'm not "understanding" the argument? LOL

Pointing out that it has been happening forever is lazy and dumb as fuck. That's the point.

 

[Ichinisan]

They claim the officers could have been reenacting the actual find because they didn't catch the original find on video.

 

[Humpy]

They claim the officers could have been reenacting the actual find because they didn't catch the original find on video.

i.e. they fabricated evidence.

That someone believes they could give that as a valid explanation says as much as planting evidence does.

 

[vi edit]

Are you seriously naive enough to think this stuff is something new and that local police officers are all of a sudden taking their guidance from some federal official in DC?

Not at all. It's just that our current administration appears to almost embrace and encourage the behavior. They seam to be signaling the failed policies of the 80's and early 90's.

 

[HomerJS]

I found this to be shocking. A reprimand alone is not enough. People's lives were ruined but this sort of action.

Then again, none of it is new. Black people have been talking about this stuff for decades and the white american populace is shocked to finally see its all true.

FTFY

 

[Ichinisan]

i.e. they fabricated evidence.

That someone believes they could give that as a valid explanation says as much as planting evidence does.

Honestly don't know. Even if their explanation is true, it still isn't right and this "evidence" is too suspect to be used in prosecution.

Either these cops carry bags of drugs around and try to plant evidence, or they tried to re-enact their actual find for the camera.

 

[Moonbeam]

Once you create a system in which there is generational poverty and violence in the lives of a segment of people that can easily be stereotyped, it is but a short hop from there to rationalizing away any consideration of them as human or that there is anything wrong with abusing them.

We are now seeing the sane kind of contempt for so called lower life forms by liberals toward a newly invented class called deplorables. The violence, hatred, and ugliness of American culture has to go somewhere, right.

 

[Humpy]

Honestly don't know. Even if their explanation is true, it still isn't right and this "evidence" is too suspect to be used in prosecution.

Either these cops carry bags of drugs around and try to plant evidence, or they tried to re-enact their actual find for the camera.

I don't know if planting drugs and fabricating evidence are even crimes anymore, but assuming they are I think they are separate events.

Ignoring the source of whatever was in the baggie, reenacting the event on video for use in trial as evidence, without making clear that it was faked, is fabricating/tampering with evidence? Apparently no one said anything about it until the defense lawyer was reviewing the trial evidence.

The police certainly have plenty of access to drugs. Did they plant drugs to frame a totally innocent person? Maybe, maybe not. My gut tells me no but these guys seem like total retards.

 

[Humpy]

We are now seeing the sane kind of contempt for so called lower life forms by liberals toward a newly invented class called deplorables. The violence, hatred, and ugliness of American culture has to go somewhere, right.

Is that a question or are you indicating direction towards a political ideology?

 

[pauldun170]

I found this to be shocking. A reprimand alone is not enough. People's lives were ruined but this sort of action.

Then again, none of it is new. Black people have been talking about this stuff for decades and the american populace is shocked to finally see its all true.

Reminds me of this skit

 

[Jaskalas]

Most advanced nation in the world, in modern times....

How is that relevant? There are still humans involved, every bit as primitive.
I bet it bruises a lot of egos, by your own measurement, but we're still coping with the human factor.
Evidence is planted, people are murdered, it's a sick and cruel world out there no matter the times or the nation.

Where are we heading to?
How can anyone safe guard themselves from the police especially if they have a search warrant?

We do our best... but our best isn't good enough. I don't know if we can make ourselves 100% safe.

 

[Ichinisan]

Is that a question or are you indicating direction towards a political ideology?

I think he's specifically talking about the hateful rhetoric in every single post by agent00f (though I don't see any posts from agent00f in this thread).

agent00f needs psychiatric help.

 

[Humpy]

I think he's specifically talking about the hateful rhetoric in every single post by agent00f (though I don't see any posts from agent00f in this thread).

agent00f needs psychiatric help.

I thought agentoof was just playing the roll of someone who needs psychiatric help as some type of strange thought experiment.

 

[Moonbeam]

Is that a question or are you indicating direction towards a political ideology?

I am describing the machine nature of unconscious human behavior. In order to protect us from the violence of people toward 'the other' we were exposed to that threat by our guardians as children. They made sure we felt terror at the thought of being different, of being who we really are rather than card board cut outs of whatever socially acceptable behavior is the flavor of the day. In California is safer to be a liberal rather than a conservative and in the south, you're going to hell if you're not a God fearing Christian. When machines walk around under the assumptions they are awake and not controlled by these unconscious beliefs, they are automatically dangerous to each other, shit throwing apes at anything that is different. Their hate has to go somewhere because they will not challenge what keeps them in chains. In the world of sleepers we see nothing but vacuum cleaners trying to suck other vacuum cleaners, and people trying to unload their hatred on others. We are not a pretty sight and few have the knowledge of how to face it. I don't know either, but I do know that's our condition. That does not mean there is only this in the world. The god within us can never be killed, just buried and he or she is always trying to dig out. There are plenty of signs for example, that truth can't be had by those who assume they already know it.

 

[Humpy]

I am describing the machine nature of unconscious human behavior. In order to protect us from the violence of people toward 'the other' we were exposed to that threat by our guardians as children. They made sure we felt terror at the thought of being different, of being who we really are rather than card board cut outs of whatever socially acceptable behavior is the flavor of the day. In California is safer to be a liberal rather than a conservative and in the south, you're going to hell if you're not a God fearing Christian. When machines walk around under the assumptions they are awake and not controlled by these unconscious beliefs, they are automatically dangerous to each other, shit throwing apes at anything that is different. Their hate has to go somewhere because they will not challenge what keeps them in chains. In the world of sleepers we see nothing but vacuum cleaners trying to suck other vacuum cleaners, and people trying to unload their hatred on others. We are not a pretty sight and few have the knowledge of how to face it. I don't know either, but I do know that's our condition. That does not mean there is only this in the world. The god within us can never be killed, just buried and he or she is always trying to dig out. There are plenty of signs for example, that truth can't be had by those who assume they already know it.

I disagree.

 

[Moonbeam]

I disagree.

With what exactly and what do you believe? If you don't care to say, that's fine, but I did suggest in my post that almost everybody would disagree because the picture I painted wasn't very flattering and that agreement would take a special kind of personal experience that leads to questioning things as we were programmed to see them. There was a time that I would not have agreed either, a time when I would have staked my life that I was right.