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SP33Demon said:
It depends on the libertarian. Some believe in no government and others believe in very very little like fully abolishing agencies like the IRS but keeping it bare bones minimum for defense. For example:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/44942719

Which is dumb as shit because agencies like Commerce are constitutionally mandated.
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The Department of Commerce is not mandated by the constitution, genius. In fact it didn't even exist until 1903.
 
eskimospy said:
The Department of Commerce is not mandated by the constitution, genius. In fact it didn't even exist until 1903.
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Yes, actually it is. Ever heard of a Census?
The United States Census is a decennial census mandated by Article I, Section 2 of the United States Constitution, which states: "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States ... according to their respective Numbers ... . The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years."[1][2] The United States Census Bureau (officially the Bureau of the Census, as defined in Title 13 U.S.C. § 11) is responsible for the United States Census.
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They are under Commerce last I checked. I can do this all day.
 
SP33Demon said:
Yes, actually it is. Ever heard of a Census?

They are under Commerce last I checked. I can do this all day.
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Nothing about having a census requires the department of commerce to exist. That's like saying the FEC is mandated because we have to have elections. Congress must complete a task that it has chosen at this time to tell Commerce to do. It could abolish Commerce tomorrow and hire a polling firm if it wanted to.

The first clue for you should have been that the country went more than a century without one. This is like shooting fish in a barrel, haha. I strongly suggest you follow your own link and learn something about the Constitution.
 
I really want you to answer the question of how the US went more than a century without the department of commerce if it is constitutionally mandated.

I am really looking forward to laughing at whatever stupid answer you try to come up with.
 
eskimospy said:
Nothing about having a census requires the department of commerce to exist. That's like saying the FEC is mandated because we have to have elections. Congress must complete a task that it has chosen at this time to tell Commerce to do. It could abolish Commerce tomorrow and hire a polling firm if it wanted to.

The first clue for you should have been that the country went more than a century without one. This is like shooting fish in a barrel, haha. I strongly suggest you follow your own link and learn something about the Constitution.
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Commerce also involves the Patent Office. So yes, let's dismantle patents and the constitutionally mandated census. Do you realize how stupid you sound? Yes, FEC is constitutionally mandated as well and isn't going away. A polling firm could replace commerce? hahahhahaha.
That's sig worthy material.
Let's outline what we'd lose:

Patents and Trademarks - a polling firm could do that, patent lawyers don't know nuthin'.
Census - a polling firm would also do that, because to accurately count 320 million addresses is nuthin'.
Economics and Stats, Economic Analysis - a polling firm would do that, that's just simple math.
NOAA - a polling firm would definitely handle that, they are great with meteorology/climatology and weather prediction.
International Trade Admin - polling firms are great at trade
so on and so forth.

Thanks, I needed a good laugh today! You are the gift that keeps giving Eski, seriously. I'm very glad to have you on this forum.
 
eskimospy said:
I really want you to answer the question of how the US went more than a century without the department of commerce if it is constitutionally mandated.

I am really looking forward to laughing at whatever stupid answer you try to come up with.
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Hey guys, we are still using the barter system and gold standard because they rock. Statistics are shit too! They can't predict anything, just a bunch of numbers that we need to scrap and get back to the basic math of grandfathers. Silly math.
 
Jhhnn said:
Talking shit all day, huh?

https://www.census.gov/history/www/census_then_now/
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Well cmon, a polling firm could replace all that. 😀

The data that the agencies of commerce provide are vital to our economy. To shut them down would equal a huge cost to business to replace that free data on demographics, economics, weather, and patents/trademarks management. But oh yeah, a polling firm could do all that so don't worry guys. We got by in the 20's because business is still conducted the same now as back then, amirite?
 
SP33Demon said:
Hey guys, we are still using the barter system and gold standard because they rock. Statistics are shit too! They can't predict anything, just a bunch of numbers that we need to scrap and get back to the basic math of grandfathers. Silly math.
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It's amusing to watch you try and shift from 'commerce is mandated' to 'commerce is a good idea'.

Sorry, you said what you said and it was stupid. It's interesting that someone who claims to have such a high IQ and claims to be so highly educated doesn't understand Civics 101. Did they not teach that on your path to becoming so highly educated? You should ask for a refund.
 
eskimospy said:
It's amusing to watch you try and shift from 'commerce is mandated' to 'commerce is a good idea'.

Sorry, you said what you said and it was stupid. It's interesting that someone who claims to have such a high IQ and claims to be so highly educated doesn't understand Civics 101. Did they not teach that on your path to becoming so highly educated? You should ask for a refund.
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Beware of Greeks bearing gifts...and people who claim to be the most superest smartiest people...and people who use the word truth/liberty/freedom as an user name.
 
eskimospy said:
It's amusing to watch you try and shift from 'commerce is mandated' to 'commerce is a good idea'.

Sorry, you said what you said and it was stupid. It's interesting that someone who claims to have such a high IQ and claims to be so highly educated doesn't understand Civics 101. Did they not teach that on your path to becoming so highly educated? You should ask for a refund.
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You're right, I need to have a polling firm educate me. :biggrin:
 
Jhhnn said:
You were merely mistaken. Is your ego so fragile that you can't admit it?

Lots of reasonable ways to do that if you're a reasonable person. Nobody's perfect.
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Actually I was correct. Departments like Commerce will never be shut down, especially because constitutional mandates exist in these agencies. Eskimo is an idealistic buffoon as are most libertarians and low IQ Dems who believe that "polling firms" can replace entire agencies. Please let us know when the Dept of Commerce is ever shut down. :biggrin: Or how about this, let's bet $100 that it won't be shut down in the next 20 years. I'll collect when I retire.
 
SP33Demon said:
Actually I was correct. Departments like Commerce will never be shut down, especially because constitutional mandates exist in these agencies. Eskimo is an idealistic buffoon as are most libertarians and low IQ Dems who believe that "polling firms" can replace entire agencies. Please let us know when the Dept of Commerce is ever shut down. :biggrin: Or how about this, let's bet $100 that it won't be shut down in the next 20 years. I'll collect when I retire.
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If you think the department of commerce is mandated then just quote the part of the constitution that says it.

Should be easy. Take as much time as you need.
 
SP33Demon said:
It depends on the libertarian. Some believe in no government and others believe in very very little like fully abolishing agencies like the IRS but keeping it bare bones minimum for defense. For example:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/44942719

Which is dumb as shit because agencies like Commerce are constitutionally mandated.
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No. You are implicitly saying that no government is part of libertarian ideology, and its not. The word you are looking for anarchist. You can have an anarchist who is also a libertarian as those things are not mutually exclusive. Being an anarchist is far more popular than a person who is say a Liberal, but they are not inherently related.

Wanting something to be very limited is not the same as having nothing at all. I think you do not know the topic you are talking about and it shows.
 
Jhhnn said:
So there are more anarchists than liberals? Really?
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Just like the ACA's provisions are incredibly popular if you poll on each provision without mentioning that it's BigBadObamacare™, I'd wager that tenets of anarcho-X is relatively popular.

For example, I'm an anarchosyndicalist if you want to tie me down to a form of hierarchy that I believe is inherently legitimate, which is to say, all hierarchy must be transparent and always be able to prove its legitimacy. And capitalism is fine, as long as it serves all of society, and not just a few key players who then buy off the system and use it to suppress everyone else.

But, once you consider the average American's BumperSticker understanding of politics, I'm a liberal.
 
nickqt said:
Just like the ACA's provisions are incredibly popular if you poll on each provision without mentioning that it's BigBadObamacare™, I'd wager that tenets of anarcho-X is relatively popular.

For example, I'm an anarchosyndicalist if you want to tie me down to a form of hierarchy that I believe is inherently legitimate, which is to say, all hierarchy must be transparent and always be able to prove its legitimacy. And capitalism is fine, as long as it serves all of society, and not just a few key players who then buy off the system and use it to suppress everyone else.

But, once you consider the average American's BumperSticker understanding of politics, I'm a liberal.
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Ah, Catalonia. What might have been.
 
It's not popular to say, but trickle down has worked - in the past. Today with globalism it's trickle out (as in going to another country, like our jobs), not down.

Fern
 
Fern said:
It's not popular to say, but trickle down has worked - in the past. Today with globalism it's trickle out (as in going to another country, like our jobs), not down.

Fern
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^^This it has worked in the past to a certain extent however that well has run dry its time to do something different.
 
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