Morneau name AL MVP over Jeter...

[SP33Demon]

Justice hath prevailed, a worthy candidate won the MVP. Of course I thought Ortiz should have won it by hitting 40 HR's more than DJ, but JMorn had some pretty dam good stats to back it up as well. Maybe next year Yankee fans! lol

 

[IceBergSLiM]

LOL omg LOL

 

[Slick5150]

I'm no Yankees fan, but Jeter deserved it. He held that team together, while playing outstanding baseball himself.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Slick5150
I'm no Yankees fan, but Jeter deserved it. He held that team together, while playing outstanding baseball himself.

Nobody should have to "hold a team together" with players getting money of the magnitude that NYY players get.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Slick5150
I'm no Yankees fan, but Jeter deserved it. He held that team together, while playing outstanding baseball himself.

Nobody should have to "hold a team together" with players getting money of the magnitude that NYY players get.

proof is in the pudding that you cannot pay for performance. now you can stop playing that card.

 

[Brackis]

Three words...

BIG PAPI

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Slick5150
I'm no Yankees fan, but Jeter deserved it. He held that team together, while playing outstanding baseball himself.

Nobody should have to "hold a team together" with players getting money of the magnitude that NYY players get.

Other teams have money to burn too, they just choose not to.

 

[Al Neri]

Without Jeter - Yanks make the playoffs
Without Morenau - Twins don't even THINK about the playoffs.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Slick5150
I'm no Yankees fan, but Jeter deserved it. He held that team together, while playing outstanding baseball himself.

Nobody should have to "hold a team together" with players getting money of the magnitude that NYY players get.

proof is in the pudding that you cannot pay for performance. now you can stop playing that card.

Proof is in the pudding that high payroll gives teams a definite edge on chances of making the playoffs. What happens during the playoffs, however, is a flip of the coin.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Wow thats awesome! I was sure Jeter would get it too.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Slick5150
I'm no Yankees fan, but Jeter deserved it. He held that team together, while playing outstanding baseball himself.

Nobody should have to "hold a team together" with players getting money of the magnitude that NYY players get.

proof is in the pudding that you cannot pay for performance. now you can stop playing that card.

Proof is in the pudding that high payroll gives teams a definite edge on chances of making the playoffs. What happens during the playoffs, however, is a flip of the coin.

if this is true small cap teams would never make the playoffs and they do. And large cap teams frequently miss the playoffs. face it paying a mediocre player 20 mil a year won't make him a better player.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Slick5150
I'm no Yankees fan, but Jeter deserved it. He held that team together, while playing outstanding baseball himself.

Nobody should have to "hold a team together" with players getting money of the magnitude that NYY players get.

proof is in the pudding that you cannot pay for performance. now you can stop playing that card.

Proof is in the pudding that high payroll gives teams a definite edge on chances of making the playoffs. What happens during the playoffs, however, is a flip of the coin.

if this is true small cap teams would never make the playoffs and they do. And large cap teams frequently miss the playoffs. face it paying a mediocre player 20 mil a year won't make him a better player.

Wrong, list all of the teams that made the playoffs for the past 10 years, and I guarantee you that a very high % (at least 2/3 to 3/4) would be in the top tier of spending in their league that year. This year: Mets (1), Cards(7), Pads (9), Dodgers (2), Yankees (1), A's (11), Twins (10), Tigers (6) - that's at least 5/8 teams in the top 7, and this is a rare year (usually you will see most teams in the top 5).

And this was actually way more diverse than a typical year. The only team that consistently, over the past 10 years, buck the $$ playoff trend is the A's. They are the exception: $$$ gets you the best players unless you're Billy Beane.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Slick5150
I'm no Yankees fan, but Jeter deserved it. He held that team together, while playing outstanding baseball himself.

Nobody should have to "hold a team together" with players getting money of the magnitude that NYY players get.

proof is in the pudding that you cannot pay for performance. now you can stop playing that card.

Proof is in the pudding that high payroll gives teams a definite edge on chances of making the playoffs. What happens during the playoffs, however, is a flip of the coin.

if this is true small cap teams would never make the playoffs and they do. And large cap teams frequently miss the playoffs. face it paying a mediocre player 20 mil a year won't make him a better player.

Wrong, list all of the teams that made the playoffs for the past 10 years, and I guarantee you that a very high % (at least 2/3 to 3/4) would be in the top tier of spending in their league that year. This year: Mets (1), Cards(7), Pads (9), Dodgers (2), Yankees (1), A's (11), Twins (10), Tigers (6)
And this was actually way more diverse than a typical year. The only team that consistently, over the past 10 years, buck the $$ playoff trend is the A's. They are the exception, $$$ gets you the best players unless you're Billy Beane.

past performance never guarantees future performance.

we can go tit for tat all day. but in the end its many more factors than salary alone that determines a players and a teams performance.

perhaps there are too many teams to begin with.

 

[jman19]

I don't really care that Jeter didn't win the MVP, but Morneau wasn't even the best player on his team.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Don Rodriguez
Without Jeter - Yanks make the playoffs
Without Morenau - Twins don't even THINK about the playoffs.

I dont know if the Yanks would've made it witout Jeter. They got killed by injuries and he was the only constant this year. A-Rod is worthless in a big spot. Jeter is clutch.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Slick5150
I'm no Yankees fan, but Jeter deserved it. He held that team together, while playing outstanding baseball himself.

Nobody should have to "hold a team together" with players getting money of the magnitude that NYY players get.

proof is in the pudding that you cannot pay for performance. now you can stop playing that card.

Proof is in the pudding that high payroll gives teams a definite edge on chances of making the playoffs. What happens during the playoffs, however, is a flip of the coin.

if this is true small cap teams would never make the playoffs and they do. And large cap teams frequently miss the playoffs. face it paying a mediocre player 20 mil a year won't make him a better player.

Wrong, list all of the teams that made the playoffs for the past 10 years, and I guarantee you that a very high % (at least 2/3 to 3/4) would be in the top tier of spending in their league that year. This year: Mets (1), Cards(7), Pads (9), Dodgers (2), Yankees (1), A's (11), Twins (10), Tigers (6)
And this was actually way more diverse than a typical year. The only team that consistently, over the past 10 years, buck the $$ playoff trend is the A's. They are the exception, $$$ gets you the best players unless you're Billy Beane.

past performance never guarantees future performance.

we can go tit for tat all day. but in the end its many more factors than salary alone that determines a players and a teams performance.

perhaps there are too many teams to begin with.

If you do what I said and look up all the playoff teams by payroll for the past 10 years you would have your proof, I've already done it in other threads. You know what I'm saying is true so stop ducking the fact that high payroll, especially in the case of the Yankees, all but guarantees them a playoff spot.. How they decide to choke once they get there is up to them.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Slick5150
I'm no Yankees fan, but Jeter deserved it. He held that team together, while playing outstanding baseball himself.

Nobody should have to "hold a team together" with players getting money of the magnitude that NYY players get.

proof is in the pudding that you cannot pay for performance. now you can stop playing that card.

Proof is in the pudding that high payroll gives teams a definite edge on chances of making the playoffs. What happens during the playoffs, however, is a flip of the coin.

if this is true small cap teams would never make the playoffs and they do. And large cap teams frequently miss the playoffs. face it paying a mediocre player 20 mil a year won't make him a better player.

Wrong, list all of the teams that made the playoffs for the past 10 years, and I guarantee you that a very high % (at least 2/3 to 3/4) would be in the top tier of spending in their league that year. This year: Mets (1), Cards(7), Pads (9), Dodgers (2), Yankees (1), A's (11), Twins (10), Tigers (6)
And this was actually way more diverse than a typical year. The only team that consistently, over the past 10 years, buck the $$ playoff trend is the A's. They are the exception, $$$ gets you the best players unless you're Billy Beane.

past performance never guarantees future performance.

we can go tit for tat all day. but in the end its many more factors than salary alone that determines a players and a teams performance.

perhaps there are too many teams to begin with.

If you do what I said and look up all the playoff teams by payroll for the past 10 years you would have your proof, I've already done it in other threads. You know what I'm saying is true so stop ducking the fact that high payroll, especially in the case of the Yankees, all but guarantees them a playoff spot.. How they decide to choke once they get there is up to them.

so your suggesting then as an alternative that the owners of teams should not try and do everything in there power to have the best team on the field each season that they can?

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Slick5150
I'm no Yankees fan, but Jeter deserved it. He held that team together, while playing outstanding baseball himself.

Nobody should have to "hold a team together" with players getting money of the magnitude that NYY players get.

proof is in the pudding that you cannot pay for performance. now you can stop playing that card.

Proof is in the pudding that high payroll gives teams a definite edge on chances of making the playoffs. What happens during the playoffs, however, is a flip of the coin.

if this is true small cap teams would never make the playoffs and they do. And large cap teams frequently miss the playoffs. face it paying a mediocre player 20 mil a year won't make him a better player.

Wrong, list all of the teams that made the playoffs for the past 10 years, and I guarantee you that a very high % (at least 2/3 to 3/4) would be in the top tier of spending in their league that year. This year: Mets (1), Cards(7), Pads (9), Dodgers (2), Yankees (1), A's (11), Twins (10), Tigers (6)
And this was actually way more diverse than a typical year. The only team that consistently, over the past 10 years, buck the $$ playoff trend is the A's. They are the exception, $$$ gets you the best players unless you're Billy Beane.

past performance never guarantees future performance.

we can go tit for tat all day. but in the end its many more factors than salary alone that determines a players and a teams performance.

perhaps there are too many teams to begin with.

If you do what I said and look up all the playoff teams by payroll for the past 10 years you would have your proof, I've already done it in other threads. You know what I'm saying is true so stop ducking the fact that high payroll, especially in the case of the Yankees, all but guarantees them a playoff spot.. How they decide to choke once they get there is up to them.

So what is the Red Sox' excuse?

 

[Atvar]

After the red sox and cubs this offseason nobody can ever say anything about the yankees spending again. Period. They have actually cut payroll this offseason so far.

 

[SludgeFactory]

Originally posted by: jman19
I don't really care that Jeter didn't win the MVP, but Morneau wasn't even the best player on his team.

Heh, they gave it to the wrong Twin! Actually I'm surprised that the vote didn't split between the two Twins and the award go to Jeter. The fact that Mauer finished a distant 6th is a joke.

That's idiot writers for you. Narrow it down to a couple choices on gut feel (i.e. who they saw on Sportscenter the most in September) then just go with good old AVG/HR/RBI. I wish these guys had to pass a quiz on basic sabermetrics every year to maintain their membership in the BBWAA. There's no excuse, times have changed, the game has changed, there are better stats out there now, you need to do some continuing education like every other profession on the planet you losers.