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engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: Nik

So you're saying that the super-goggles were merely stones taken from the breastplate? Why didn't anyone else think of that? And why the hell would god wait until the early 1800's when Smith was "decyphering" to take them back to heaven? Where was this breastplate all that time between Bible times and the early 1800's?

First off, I hit 500 post. Sweet. Not sure I'll ever catch up with you though Nic. :)

People did think of this. Most scholars agree on this.

As for taking them back, why would he take them back when there was still a need for them? Joseph Smith needed them to interpret the scriptures that became the Book of Mormon. Why would he take them back before then?

As for the second question, it would be more appropriate to ask where were they between Book of Mormon times and the early 1800's. The Book of Mormon ends around 400ad, but that's beside point. Anyway, the breastplate and Urim and Thummim were buried together with the Golden Plates that contained the record that was translated into the Book of Mormon. Palmyra New York to be exact.
 

Shame

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: Nik

:laugh:

I still don't see magical glasses in the picture you posted. I see a jewel-encrusted chest plate, but not magical glasses.

"Some scholars have suggested "the" Urim and Thummim consists of two crystals; however, the precise nature of the medium is unknown to most secular scholars. According to the Hebrew Bible, stones used for "an" Urim and Thummim were kept in the breastplate of Aaron, the brother of Moses."

The exact nature of the stone is unknown to most scholars, as stated. But it is generally agreed upon that they were circular and transparent. Sounds kind of like lenses for a pair of glasses to me. The reason the picture is of the breast plate is because they is what the stones were attached to, and since biblical scholars are unable to agree on the exact specifications of them, they are simply grouped in with the breast plate.

So you're saying that the super-goggles were merely stones taken from the breastplate? Why didn't anyone else think of that? And why the hell would god wait until the early 1800's when Smith was "decyphering" to take them back to heaven? Where was this breastplate all that time between Bible times and the early 1800's?

I'll take easy ones for $200.00, Alex... Answer: My basement, well guarded.
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: Nik

That just says that it was there. That doesn't suggest it was removed from earth, never to be seen again (which would be quite the convenient cop-out for Smith and his mystery monacles).

Um, what does the Ark of the Covenant have to do with Joseph Smith? And if you agree that the Ark is/was in heaven, wouldn't that sort of imply that it's not on Earth? How could it be in both places?

Cop-out? Sure, you could consider it that. I don't, but that's just me.
 

hpkeeper

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: quasarsky
Originally posted by: Falloutboy
mormon missionaries will do work for you if you listen to them

I had them wax my car once while i "listend"

better start praying u don't go to h e double hockey sticks. ha ha lame but that was kinda mean what u did. u shouldn't take advantage of others like that ;)

Mormons don't believe in hell.

I just tell them I'm not interested and shut the door.


That's true, the Mormons don't believe in hell, they believe in 3 levels of heaven... everyone will go to heaven. I've had several missionaries knock on my door, I'm great friends with some mormons, just before they officially go on their missions they are "set apart", so they're not officially on their mission, but they're not on their mission yet. So they've stopped on into my house before they've left.

One of my friends was officially on his mission and had to come back to get some surgery (deviated septum), and he came back and talked to my family, I've had countless numbers of missionaries come to my door other than them as well. They won't push you into their religion, you have to want to believe for them to even try. It's not worth their talk to you about their religion unless you want to learn. If you say "you're more than welcome to come in and get something to eat, but I don't want to talk about religion." they'll probably come in and won't talk to you about their religion. Ask them about what they've experienced since being on their mission, missionaries are very lonely people, the only people that they're really allowed to socialize with that actually treats them as a friend (sometimes not as friends) is their companion. Everyone else is a member of the church, or someone they're "trying" to "convert". Life as a missionary isn't easy from what I'm told and what I've seen, but if they knock on your door, they won't talk to you about converting you to their religion unless you want them to and they're not mean, they're very well manored and in general they're nice people. But it's simply not fair to take advantage of them by telling them that you want to "listen" to them.





 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: Nik

So you're saying that the super-goggles were merely stones taken from the breastplate? Why didn't anyone else think of that? And why the hell would god wait until the early 1800's when Smith was "decyphering" to take them back to heaven? Where was this breastplate all that time between Bible times and the early 1800's?

First off, I hit 500 post. Sweet. Not sure I'll ever catch up with you though Nic. :)

People did think of this. Most scholars agree on this.

As for taking them back, why would he take them back when there was still a need for them? Joseph Smith needed them to interpret the scriptures that became the Book of Mormon. Why would he take them back before then?

As for the second question, it would be more appropriate to ask where were they between Book of Mormon times and the early 1800's. The Book of Mormon ends around 400ad, but that's beside point. Anyway, the breastplate and Urim and Thummim were buried together with the Golden Plates that contained the record that was translated into the Book of Mormon. Palmyra New York to be exact.

Why would they be taken back at all? Have they been? Book, chapter, and verse please?

Wait, the Urim and Thummim were buried with the rest of the missing evidence in New York? What happened to taking them back to heaven? :confused:

Why haven't the golden plates been found, where'd they come from, and what does ol' Joe say happened to them to explain why he can't provide proof that he's not a loonie --err, that he's telling the truth?
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: Nik

Why would they be taken back at all? Have they been? Book, chapter, and verse please?

Because they belong to God. Besides, what do you think people would do if they were left here with no purpose? People would just fight and kill each other over them. People throughout the years have done the same thing with other religious artifacts. So if there is no need for them to be on Earth right now, why would he leave them here? As for the verse, I think I already provided that.

Wait, the Urim and Thummim were buried with the rest of the missing evidence in New York? What happened to taking them back to heaven? :confused:

Ok, I guess I'm confused to? Perhaps I didn't explain things well. 400-1823 a.d., all items buried in Palmyra, NY. After the translation, items were taken back to heaven, but not before 11 men witnessed their existence and testified of the experience.

Why haven't the golden plates been found, where'd they come from, and what does ol' Joe say happened to them to explain why he can't provide proof that he's not a loonie --err, that he's telling the truth?

They are a record of a people who left Jerusalem before the Babylonian invasion and sailed across the seas to the American continents. The records were kept by these people, with the religious and/or political leader retaining them and writing about the events or their time. The reason they haven't been found is because they've been taken back to heaven. And honestly, even if they were here, do you really think that would provide any proof of his calling? You already have his testimony, along with that of 11 other individuals. What good would the book really do? Since you already consider him a "loonie", what good would the book really do? People would just say he created them himself.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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:laugh: I'll skip the crazy people and stick with my Bible, thanks. There's enough freakin psycho nutjobs wielding the Bible as an excuse to be stupid. Last thing the world needs is some guy late on the scene inventing some insane sci-fi spin-off.
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: Nik
:laugh: I'll skip the crazy people and stick with my Bible, thanks. There's enough freakin psycho nutjobs wielding the Bible as an excuse to be stupid. Last thing the world needs is some guy late on the scene inventing some insane sci-fi spin-off.

Totally understandable, and such is your right. Thanks for the talk though.
 

dugweb

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I don't think you made a single post in this thread without insulting the person you were replying to Nik.

I guess Mormons weren't included in that apology thread you made a while back.
 
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They came to the door once and my brother answered the door. They got about two words out, my brother didn't say a thing and he just shut the door in their face.

It was great! Big brothers are cool. That must have been 15 years ago.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: dugweb
I don't think you made a single post in this thread without insulting the person you were replying to Nik.

I guess Mormons weren't included in that apology thread you made a while back.

Actually, there are several posts that I made in this thread that do not contain insults. But, no, mormons were not included.
 
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Originally posted by: Cabages
Wow, there really is no decency in the world left.

I dont care if your mormon or not, but being an ass and treating people like ****** shouldnt be tolerated by anyone.

yep, damn Mormons :|

:p
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: Cabages
Wow, there really is no decency in the world left.

I dont care if your mormon or not, but being an ass and treating people like ****** shouldnt be tolerated by anyone.

yep, damn Mormons :|

:p

Reminds me of the line from Ghostbusters 2, "Being mean and treating other people like dirt is every New Yorker's God given right." Wasn't always fun to be on the receiving end at the time, but it's pretty easy to look back and laugh about it now.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: Cabages
Wow, there really is no decency in the world left.

I dont care if your mormon or not, but being an ass and treating people like ****** shouldnt be tolerated by anyone.

yep, damn Mormons :|

:p

Reminds me of the line from Ghostbusters 2, "Being mean and treating other people like dirt is every New Yorker's God given right." Wasn't always fun to be on the receiving end at the time, but it's pretty easy to look back and laugh about it now.

Hey I have that movie :D

Well, since someone actually bitched about it ( :roll: ), I guess I'll speak up with a praise of mormons because each one of those that I've known at length or met briefly was extremely well versed in arguing their religion and the religion of others. Point and counter-point was always a strong point with each of them. Mad props for that.
 

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Originally posted by: Nik
:laugh: I'll skip the crazy people and stick with my Bible, thanks. There's enough freakin psycho nutjobs wielding the Bible as an excuse to be stupid. Last thing the world needs is some guy late on the scene inventing some insane sci-fi spin-off.

I have to ask where you get your information from. You make references to the religion being based on 'insane sci-fi' and make other demeaning comments. It's like you can't even reply to engineereeyor's comments without saying something insulting to him or his religion. Where do you opinions come from? I'm not talking about your distain for the missionaries who bug you every few weeks or months. I'm talking about the half-informed bits of half-truths you drop with each of your posts.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Penth
Originally posted by: Nik
:laugh: I'll skip the crazy people and stick with my Bible, thanks. There's enough freakin psycho nutjobs wielding the Bible as an excuse to be stupid. Last thing the world needs is some guy late on the scene inventing some insane sci-fi spin-off.

I have to ask where you get your information from. You make references to the religion being based on 'insane sci-fi' and make other demeaning comments. It's like you can't even reply to engineereeyor's comments without saying something insulting to him or his religion. Where do you opinions come from? I'm not talking about your distain for the missionaries who bug you every few weeks or months. I'm talking about the half-informed bits of half-truths you drop with each of your posts.

Actually, if you'd take the time to REEEEEEAAAAAAD the books that I've posted, more of my comments will make sense to you. If you want to learn, then do something about it instead of ask stupid questions like where I get my information when I've already posted the answer.
 

Penth

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Penth
Originally posted by: Nik
:laugh: I'll skip the crazy people and stick with my Bible, thanks. There's enough freakin psycho nutjobs wielding the Bible as an excuse to be stupid. Last thing the world needs is some guy late on the scene inventing some insane sci-fi spin-off.

I have to ask where you get your information from. You make references to the religion being based on 'insane sci-fi' and make other demeaning comments. It's like you can't even reply to engineereeyor's comments without saying something insulting to him or his religion. Where do you opinions come from? I'm not talking about your distain for the missionaries who bug you every few weeks or months. I'm talking about the half-informed bits of half-truths you drop with each of your posts.

Actually, if you'd take the time to REEEEEEAAAAAAD the books that I've posted, more of my comments will make sense to you. If you want to learn, then do something about it instead of ask stupid questions like where I get my information when I've already posted the answer.

Right, I'm going to try to get objective information about anything from books like those. Why don't I just go to the video card forum and ask some ATI fanboys if I should buy NVIDIA hardware. That would be really useful. And why would you think that I would read a whole book or several books for that matter rather than just asking where you get your ideas. Maybe engineereeyor should insult you until you read all of his mormon books and pamphlets and books by people inside the religion. That would be really helpful for a discussion wouldn't it?

I know enough about the subject that in my opinion, your objections are not really yours and not really sincere but merely the objections of others based on false information and probably some lies. I'm not saying that you have to think it is right or that there should be no objections to what engineereeyor is saying, only that I don't think that yours are actually something that you have thought of on your own, but rather that one of the books tells you what to think. You're no more of an independant thinker than any religious follower.

If you want to evaluate a religion I think the best way to do it is to hear the principles of doctrine from people who are inside that faith and have a well-founded understanding of those principles. Then you evaluate the principles based on independant sources and decide for yourself. Not by reading a book that says they are going to give you the exposition on these terrible cults.

I wouldn't talk to a Mormon missionary to find out the truth about the catholic church nor would I read a book from someone who want to expose the catholic churches mis-deeds. I'd hear what the catholic priest has to say and then evaluate that.

I think this is where I say your comments were stupid and that you will go to hell if you don't find the right way to heaven and that you are a prideful prick. That's how it goes right? You make your point and then throw in an insult?
 

NVulture

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Quick questions for the Mormon's out there...

Why do all the Mormon Missionaries have to wear the same "private school type" uniform (white shirt with a name tag and dark pants)?

I live in the Dominican Republic and I seem them everywhere... Always in groups, walking around... I always feel so bad for them. They seem like nice kids but how nice can life be for a youngster without partying, dating, screwing (or at least the hope of "gettin some"), getting "frisky" with the ladies, and everything else that makes life worth living?

How can a man go through life and not look at a fine looking lady and say "damn, I want some of that!"? How is that living? Or do you say it, but just to yourself and not act upon it?

Here's another question. With all the worlds religions, some of them have to be wrong when it comes to heaven and ones "salvation". With that being true, how will you feel when you're sitting at the pearly shiny gates of heaven and you're turned away cause God didnt really want you going door to door, or you didnt believe in the "right kind of God" or for whatever reason? Lets face it, no one knows what happens after death or what religion is the righteous one (if any)...

The only reason I even ask the second question is because, to me, a life without sex (with other people, not oneself lol) isnt a life. Going a few days without is one thing but after a week or so the mind (at least mine) doesnt work as clearly. Two weeks without and im borderline homicidal (j/k, but you get the idea). So the whole idea of sex without marriage (if you get married that is) is completely abusive to oneself IMHO. Although im sure there are some people that can deal with it better than some, I think they are in the minority.

One last question if I havent offended you guys yet, can you give a quick explanation on the whole multiple wives thing?

 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Penth
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Penth
Originally posted by: Nik
:laugh: I'll skip the crazy people and stick with my Bible, thanks. There's enough freakin psycho nutjobs wielding the Bible as an excuse to be stupid. Last thing the world needs is some guy late on the scene inventing some insane sci-fi spin-off.

I have to ask where you get your information from. You make references to the religion being based on 'insane sci-fi' and make other demeaning comments. It's like you can't even reply to engineereeyor's comments without saying something insulting to him or his religion. Where do you opinions come from? I'm not talking about your distain for the missionaries who bug you every few weeks or months. I'm talking about the half-informed bits of half-truths you drop with each of your posts.

Actually, if you'd take the time to REEEEEEAAAAAAD the books that I've posted, more of my comments will make sense to you. If you want to learn, then do something about it instead of ask stupid questions like where I get my information when I've already posted the answer.

Right, I'm going to try to get objective information about anything from books like those. Why don't I just go to the video card forum and ask some ATI fanboys if I should buy NVIDIA hardware. That would be really useful. And why would you think that I would read a whole book or several books for that matter rather than just asking where you get your ideas. Maybe engineereeyor should insult you until you read all of his mormon books and pamphlets and books by people inside the religion. That would be really helpful for a discussion wouldn't it?

I know enough about the subject that in my opinion, your objections are not really yours and not really sincere but merely the objections of others based on false information and probably some lies. I'm not saying that you have to think it is right or that there should be no objections to what engineereeyor is saying, only that I don't think that yours are actually something that you have thought of on your own, but rather that one of the books tells you what to think. You're no more of an independant thinker than any religious follower.

If you want to evaluate a religion I think the best way to do it is to hear the principles of doctrine from people who are inside that faith and have a well-founded understanding of those principles. Then you evaluate the principles based on independant sources and decide for yourself. Not by reading a book that says they are going to give you the exposition on these terrible cults.

I wouldn't talk to a Mormon missionary to find out the truth about the catholic church nor would I read a book from someone who want to expose the catholic churches mis-deeds. I'd hear what the catholic priest has to say and then evaluate that.

I think this is where I say your comments were stupid and that you will go to hell if you don't find the right way to heaven and that you are a prideful prick. That's how it goes right? You make your point and then throw in an insult?

So you're saying that, in order to be an authority on something, you must be part of it? You can't be an authority on Mormonism without being a Mormon?
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Penth
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Penth
Originally posted by: Nik
:laugh: I'll skip the crazy people and stick with my Bible, thanks. There's enough freakin psycho nutjobs wielding the Bible as an excuse to be stupid. Last thing the world needs is some guy late on the scene inventing some insane sci-fi spin-off.

I have to ask where you get your information from. You make references to the religion being based on 'insane sci-fi' and make other demeaning comments. It's like you can't even reply to engineereeyor's comments without saying something insulting to him or his religion. Where do you opinions come from? I'm not talking about your distain for the missionaries who bug you every few weeks or months. I'm talking about the half-informed bits of half-truths you drop with each of your posts.

Actually, if you'd take the time to REEEEEEAAAAAAD the books that I've posted, more of my comments will make sense to you. If you want to learn, then do something about it instead of ask stupid questions like where I get my information when I've already posted the answer.

Right, I'm going to try to get objective information about anything from books like those. Why don't I just go to the video card forum and ask some ATI fanboys if I should buy NVIDIA hardware. That would be really useful. And why would you think that I would read a whole book or several books for that matter rather than just asking where you get your ideas. Maybe engineereeyor should insult you until you read all of his mormon books and pamphlets and books by people inside the religion. That would be really helpful for a discussion wouldn't it?

I know enough about the subject that in my opinion, your objections are not really yours and not really sincere but merely the objections of others based on false information and probably some lies. I'm not saying that you have to think it is right or that there should be no objections to what engineereeyor is saying, only that I don't think that yours are actually something that you have thought of on your own, but rather that one of the books tells you what to think. You're no more of an independant thinker than any religious follower.

If you want to evaluate a religion I think the best way to do it is to hear the principles of doctrine from people who are inside that faith and have a well-founded understanding of those principles. Then you evaluate the principles based on independant sources and decide for yourself. Not by reading a book that says they are going to give you the exposition on these terrible cults.

I wouldn't talk to a Mormon missionary to find out the truth about the catholic church nor would I read a book from someone who want to expose the catholic churches mis-deeds. I'd hear what the catholic priest has to say and then evaluate that.

I think this is where I say your comments were stupid and that you will go to hell if you don't find the right way to heaven and that you are a prideful prick. That's how it goes right? You make your point and then throw in an insult?

The Bible requires a proactive attitude about spreading the gospel. Whether it's going door to door, standing on street corners, talking to friends and family, walking around town, talking on TV and radio, blah blah blah, it doesn't matter. Mormons prefer the door-to-door approach.
 

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
As for the glasses, they're called Urim and Thummim. They were used throughout the Old Testament by the High Priest of the Tabernacle. You might wonder where those went as well.

Book, chapter, and verse please.

Ex. 28:30
Lev 8:8
Num 27:21
Deut 33:8
1 Sam. 28:6
Ezra 2:63
Neh 7:65

Those where the big ones that I could find. There may be more that I missed though.

Right.

http://images.google.com/images?q=Urim&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images

That doesn't look like magical golden glasses that only Joseph Smith could use to read from the magical script that god gave him. Hmm.

http://images.google.com/images?svnum=5...indow=1&safe=off&q=Thummim&btnG=Search

Woah, that doesn't either.

Hey, when you're done smoking crack, care to answer my question?

Yeah, I gotta agree with Nik on this one. I was led to believe Urim and Thummim were some kind of lots (kind of like dice) that God influenced for the Israelites. IIRC, they only answered yes or no, so your questions had to be phrased that way. I think they were stored in a pouch of the High Priest's breastplate, which is what 90% of those pics were about.
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: NVulture
Quick questions for the Mormon's out there...

Why do all the Mormon Missionaries have to wear the same "private school type" uniform (white shirt with a name tag and dark pants)?

We all wear the same type of clothing for a couple reasons. One, it presents a unified appearance. For the most part, it eliminates the "social class" aspect between missionaries because we all dress alike. Second, it presents a respectable appearance. It is felt that people will be more willing to speak with people that are well groomed and respectively dressed. Third, with missionaries all around the world, suits are about as close as you can get to a universal attire. Though some missionaries are allowed to wear other clothing based upon the climate, such as severe cold or hot climates.

I live in the Dominican Republic and I seem them everywhere... Always in groups, walking around... I always feel so bad for them. They seem like nice kids but how nice can life be for a youngster without partying, dating, screwing (or at least the hope of "gettin some"), getting "frisky" with the ladies, and everything else that makes life worth living?

How can a man go through life and not look at a fine looking lady and say "damn, I want some of that!"? How is that living? Or do you say it, but just to yourself and not act upon it?

ROFL!!! That's really great! We may be missionaries, but we are still men, and women. We're given one good bit of advice. "If you don't look once, you're not a man. If you look twice, you're not a missionary."

The restrictions put upon missionaries is only in effect while they are a missionary, so from 18 to 24 months. After that, let the partying, dating, NOT screwing, and lady looking begin. It is, in my opinion, a strong testiment of the sincerity of what these men are trying to do, because you are absolutely correct. The lifestyle they live is not typical of others their age. But the experience is well worth it.

Here's another question. With all the worlds religions, some of them have to be wrong when it comes to heaven and ones "salvation". With that being true, how will you feel when you're sitting at the pearly shiny gates of heaven and you're turned away cause God didnt really want you going door to door, or you didnt believe in the "right kind of God" or for whatever reason? Lets face it, no one knows what happens after death or what religion is the righteous one (if any)...

You are correct. The doctrines taught by all the religions in the world can't possibly be correct, as many of them contridict each other. As far as being turned away at the pearly gates, I'm willing to take my chances. If God is the type of God I believe him to be, he will give all his children the opportunity to accept his gospel, whether in this life or the next. If I'm wrong, then I will be grateful for the hope and strength that my misconceptions gave me in this life and will accept his judgement, whatever it may be.

The only reason I even ask the second question is because, to me, a life without sex (with other people, not oneself lol) isnt a life. Going a few days without is one thing but after a week or so the mind (at least mine) doesnt work as clearly. Two weeks without and im borderline homicidal (j/k, but you get the idea). So the whole idea of sex without marriage (if you get married that is) is completely abusive to oneself IMHO. Although im sure there are some people that can deal with it better than some, I think they are in the minority.

Ok, picking myself back up off the floor. You're hysterical.

Self control in not always an easy thing. One point though before I give reason. How insane to you get about lack of sex if you've never had it? Anyway, the sacrifice is worth it to most of us because a sexual relationship becomes something that we share with one and only one other person (with exceptions for divorce and death in the family). It strengthens our relationship with our spouse dramatically and in my opinion is well worth the wait. Not to say those that don't wait can't have a strong relationship with their spouse, but having this type of relationship has definitely strengthen mine.

One last question if I havent offended you guys yet, can you give a quick explanation on the whole multiple wives thing?

No offense taken, so no worries. The Lord has used the "multiple wives thing" before to help raise up a righteous group of people. Was that why it was instituted in the early history of our church? I honestly don't know. I do know part of it was based upon the laws of the time. Woman at that stage in the history of America could not own property, so when their husbands died, either their father or some other male relative took possession, or they lost it. With the large number of men who were killed in our church, polygomy was used to help alleviate this problem. Men would marry women who had lost their husband so that the woman and her family could keep their home. There would be not sexual relationship between them, but the man would still help to provide for the family. However, this was not always the case and I would never proclaim that it was. As for other reasons, I really don't know. I plan on asking God about it one day.
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: Aquila76

Yeah, I gotta agree with Nik on this one. I was led to believe Urim and Thummim were some kind of lots (kind of like dice) that God influenced for the Israelites. IIRC, they only answered yes or no, so your questions had to be phrased that way. I think they were stored in a pouch of the High Priest's breastplate, which is what 90% of those pics were about.

That's understandable. There is a large amount of speculation on these items. The interpretation I presented is one agreed upon by many scholars, but by all means not all of them. It also happens to correspond with the way Joseph Smith described them. So that's the stance I take on them.