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It's not alright with me to use such tactics, but ideologically captured types such as the regulars here don't recognize constraints if they are dealing with ideas that not only don't fit their worldview, but are now expeditiously labeled evil.

That's why conservatives don't trust the Left. the Left has made it clear that they consider vast swaths of conservative voters an "existential threat." Sam Harris even said the quiet part out loud, that he simply doesn't care if there is a conspiracy to keep a conservative candidate out of office because they are just. that. evil.

I consider this and the recent speech by President Biden the Uniter a display of ample motivation on the part of the Left to make sure the outcome of elections go their way by any means available, unethical, illegal, by the naked abuse of government power, whatever, the end justifies the means.

Now all we need are means and opportunity, which the Left conveniently provides for itself by the capture of institutions and making of rules that favor their ability to cheat undetected. Challenge these, and you are engaging in "voter suppression," which is just code for "cheater suppression."

I mean, congrats, you have won, convincingly. I concede.

Only thing you can do is not vote. Why vote if they are going to cheat anyway. Pointless.

(I fully support this message)

PS you only think the election was stolen because someone told you the election was stolen 6 months prior the election. Once they and you show us actual proof of such stolen election we will concede that maybe you might be right. Otherwise, you are just ignorant.

As for Biden, he's doing nothing that Trump didn't do for 6+ years, and a lot less dramatic I might add. But, I know, people hate it when their own plays are used against them. Just wait until they start calling out where the majority of found fake votes came from republicans! Oh my.
 
That's like two different systems.

Regardless of the office, or if the election is city, county, or state wide or national, the forms are the same, fill in the circle with a black ball point pen, then the voter sticks the completed ballot into the scanner.

And that is why pens are not allowed, especially if there is a recount in a close race, so no one working on the recount can alter a ballot, especially where the voter didn't choose anyone in a particular race.

No pencils, or pens other than black are permitted when marking the ballot.
We have different electoral offices for different level of government.
 
We have different electoral offices for different level of government.
Seems redundant. We vote for everything from President to dogcatcher on the same ballot.

We actually don't elect the dogcatcher, but the lowest office might be who is on the county soil conservation board.
 
I consider this and the recent speech by President Biden the Uniter a display of ample motivation on the part of the Left to make sure the outcome of elections go their way by any means available, unethical, illegal, by the naked abuse of government power, whatever, the end justifies the means.
WTF, it's the Republicans that actually tried to enact what you describe above in the 2020 election.
And yet you're saying Dems are guilty of this (before anything of consequence has even happened), based on your feels? SMH
 
Seems redundant. We vote for everything from President to dogcatcher on the same ballot.

We actually don't elect the dogcatcher, but the lowest office might be who is on the county soil conservation board.
As far as I'm concerned, voting for a coroner is basically the same stupid thing.
 
What a bunch of horseshit. Conservatives are firmly in charge of most state houses, the radical-right Supreme Court, and hold veto power in the Senate. You'll have to pedal your victimhood somewhere where stupid people live.
It's peddle. By implication you are smart, and you live here? Well, I buy the latter half, Mr. No Lifer. At least I owe you thanks, it was you acting in bad faith that helped remind me that it's fraught talking to the ideologically captured. Why waste the time, right? But at least I initially came in here willing to talk, and maybe even to be convinced, and that's not nothing. So what if I was nattering on about pens?

But I can't imagine you want that, otherwise you would not have been disrespectful out of the gate. I wonder what it is you really do want, deep down? I mean, do we at least agree that there are ~70+ million voters that didn't see things your way? What shall we do with all of those... voters? I dare not call them people, deep as we are in the process of the mass dehumanization of wide swaths of *our* country's citizens. Persuasion is obviously off the table.
 
It's peddle. By implication you are smart, and you live here? Well, I buy the latter half, Mr. No Lifer. At least I owe you thanks, it was you acting in bad faith that helped remind me that it's fraught talking to the ideologically captured. Why waste the time, right? But at least I initially came in here willing to talk, and maybe even to be convinced, and that's not nothing. So what if I was nattering on about pens?

But I can't imagine you want that, otherwise you would not have been disrespectful out of the gate. I wonder what it is you really do want, deep down? I mean, do we at least agree that there are ~70+ million voters that didn't see things your way? What shall we do with all of those... voters? I dare not call them people, deep as we are in the process of the mass dehumanization of wide swaths of *our* country's citizens. Persuasion is obviously off the table.
Doubling down on your whining doesn’t mitigate the actions that the Republican Party has taken and continues to pursue to suppress voting rights and disenfranchise their fellow citizens. At the local level, in my county, it was the Republican County Board member who voted against certifying election results in attempt to disenfranchise every single voter in the county, not because he saw any issues with the election process but because his preferred candidate lost. At the national level, Congressional Republicans voted to disenfranchise the voters of entire states because the Republican candidate lost. These are facts. The Republican Party implements voter suppression tactics against their perceived enemies wherever and whenever they have the power to do so.
 
It's not alright with me to use such tactics, but ideologically captured types such as the regulars here don't recognize constraints if they are dealing with ideas that not only don't fit their worldview, but are now expeditiously labeled evil.

That's why conservatives don't trust the Left. the Left has made it clear that they consider vast swaths of conservative voters an "existential threat." Sam Harris even said the quiet part out loud, that he simply doesn't care if there is a conspiracy to keep a conservative candidate out of office because they are just. that. evil.

I consider this and the recent speech by President Biden the Uniter a display of ample motivation on the part of the Left to make sure the outcome of elections go their way by any means available, unethical, illegal, by the naked abuse of government power, whatever, the end justifies the means.

Now all we need are means and opportunity, which the Left conveniently provides for itself by the capture of institutions and making of rules that favor their ability to cheat undetected. Challenge these, and you are engaging in "voter suppression," which is just code for "cheater suppression."

I mean, congrats, you have won, convincingly. I concede.

Sam Harris? All I know of him is he's one of the Hithchens/Dawkins gang, i.e. is clearly on the hard-right. Why are you citing him as some sort of voice of 'the left'

In general your comment seems to be pure projection. The right have clearly convinced themselves the left are 'stealing elections' in order to pyschologically prepare themselves to do exactly that. It's pretty clear the right are going to use every dirty trick in the book in the next election.
 
It's peddle. By implication you are smart, and you live here? Well, I buy the latter half, Mr. No Lifer. At least I owe you thanks, it was you acting in bad faith that helped remind me that it's fraught talking to the ideologically captured. Why waste the time, right? But at least I initially came in here willing to talk, and maybe even to be convinced, and that's not nothing. So what if I was nattering on about pens?

But I can't imagine you want that, otherwise you would not have been disrespectful out of the gate. I wonder what it is you really do want, deep down? I mean, do we at least agree that there are ~70+ million voters that didn't see things your way? What shall we do with all of those... voters? I dare not call them people, deep as we are in the process of the mass dehumanization of wide swaths of *our* country's citizens. Persuasion is obviously off the table.
I have news for you. You are throughly ideologically captured. You’re so captured you really can’t see the walls of your thought prison anymore. But they are there and prevent you from listening and seeing.
 
Sam Harris? All I know of him is he's one of the Hithchens/Dawkins gang, i.e. is clearly on the hard-right. Why are you citing him as some sort of voice of 'the left'

In general your comment seems to be pure projection. The right have clearly convinced themselves the left are 'stealing elections' in order to pyschologically prepare themselves to do exactly that. It's pretty clear the right are going to use every dirty trick in the book in the next election.
Must justify their planned violence against their own citizens.
 
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Sam Harris? All I know of him is he's one of the Hithchens/Dawkins gang, i.e. is clearly on the hard-right. Why are you citing him as some sort of voice of 'the left'

In general your comment seems to be pure projection. The right have clearly convinced themselves the left are 'stealing elections' in order to pyschologically prepare themselves to do exactly that. It's pretty clear the right are going to use every dirty trick in the book in the next election.

I'm sure you guys never see a lot of stuff, it gets scrubbed or simply goes unreported. So lefties don't have to "convince themselves" of anything, dissent is simply removed from view to prevent any naughty thoughts from cropping up. But, I did a some mainstream report of the story, most of which is lousy and contains less complete quotes than sources that you good folks would reject out of hand:


And here is a conservative site that quotes him more fully:

Harris goes on to admit that suppressing the information found on Hunter Biden's laptop until after the was "absolutely" a "Left-wing conspiracy to deny the presidency to Donald Trump," but argued that "it was warranted."
 
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I'm sure you guys never see a lot of stuff, it gets scrubbed or simply goes unreported. So lefties don't have to "convince themselves" of anything, dissent is simply removed from view to prevent any naughty thoughts from cropping up. But, I did a some mainstream report of the story, most of which is lousy and contains less complete quotes than sources that you good folks would reject out of hand:


And here is a conservative site that quotes him more fully:

Can we get just one honest conservative?
 
I believe that mail in ballots are even more error-prone than a paper printout.

I’d ask for some sort of proof showing this problem, but of course you have none. And you have nothing other than utterly baseless speculation and innuendo, that much is obvious. And I’d be willing to guarantee you’ve never seen any actual proof validating what you “feel,” as if feels matter over facts.

And I’d be willing to bet you couldn’t even coherently describe how mail-in voting is soooo much more insecure than in-person voting. Nope, you’ll just repeat the same tired innuendo, FUD, speculation and smears conservatives have been spewing for decades.

As a counter, I’d put forth the states in the U.S. that have been using mail-in voting for decades without issue…

Eight states conduct elections entirely by mail (California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Vermont and Washington), which means voters do not need to request a ballot, and instead automatically receive one.

Do you see that state called Utah? One of the most freaking conservative states in the Union and somehow the Repub dominated state govt of Utah has found a way to have every one of their elections exclusively via the mail. I don’t believe the conservatives in Utah are doing it because it’s soooo insecure. In fact, it’s just the opposite. Have yet to hear from those states listed above about widespread mail-in voter fraud.

And despite your feels, Utah, et al, are laughing all the way to the bank. They save millions of $$$ by having their voting conducted primarily by mail. Vastly cheaper than voting machines, auditorium rentals, etc.

There you hsve it. Eight states that vote exclusively by mail. I’m sure, armed with this knowledge, can easily provide documented instances of widespread mail-in voter fraud. I’d start with Utah and work outward. Shouldn’t take too long given you “feel” so strongly that it’s way more insecure than in-person voting. We’ll be waiting.

🤣🤣
 
Can we get just one honest conservative?
Can we get one lib who isn't snide and condescending?
If you are saying I am dishonest, please be more specific. If I've presented something inaccurate, I might just simply be wrong. Why jump straight to the imputation of bad motive?
 
Can we get just one honest conservative?

I know we aren't supposed to call out users not involved in the tread but in this case, I think it should be ok seeing as it's not really calling the user out.

Amused is the user you would be looking for, they are the only sensible conservative I have encountered here.
 
I know we aren't supposed to call out users not involved in the tread but in this case, I think it should be ok seeing as it's not really calling the user out.

Amused is the user you would be looking for, they are the only sensible conservative I have encountered here.
This is a fair point. Thank you.
 
Can we get one lib who isn't snide and condescending?
If you are saying I am dishonest, please be more specific. If I've presented something inaccurate, I might just simply be wrong. Why jump straight to the imputation of bad motive?
I guess you could respond to the numerous requests to back up yiur assertion that mail in voting is more error prone. Your lack of doing so causes me to conclude your motives for your post were less than honest.
 
I guess you could respond to the numerous requests to back up yiur assertion that mail in voting is more error prone. Your lack of doing so causes me to conclude your motives for your post were less than honest.
I'm making assertions without proof the same way most here do, yet I am to be held to a higher standard. That's fair, since I'm interrupting the normal flow of discourse. But part of the problem as I have learned is that eventually I'd have to rely on sources that simply get dismissed out of hand. Besides, it's well known that presentation of proof to an adversary never fails to harden their opposition. So why bother? Feel free to reject my opinions, but at least do me the favor of refraining from implying I am dishonest unless you catch me in an outright lie. I'm not known irl as a liar; if I believe wrong things, it's because I'm mislead, not a charlatan.
 
I'm making assertions without proof the same way most here do, yet I am to be held to a higher standard. That's fair, since I'm interrupting the normal flow of discourse. But part of the problem as I have learned is that eventually I'd have to rely on sources that simply get dismissed out of hand. Besides, it's well known that presentation of proof to an adversary never fails to harden their opposition. So why bother? Feel free to reject my opinions, but at least do me the favor of refraining from implying I am dishonest unless you catch me in an outright lie. I'm not known irl as a liar; if I believe wrong things, it's because I'm mislead, not a charlatan.

So if you are not dishonest and acknowledge that you might be mislead then why not put the sources you rely on for your beliefs on trial and try to get a better understanding of what they are saying holds up?
 
Oh no, not another one. What are the options this time?.. Intentionally dishonest, imagined victimhood, actually stupid, or completely delusional.

Sorry, but if you are going to say ridiculous things without providing any proof whatsoever, you will be called out on it. If you then whine about said calling out and claim to be a victim then are delusional and mislead. In every result, the election was found to be kosher.

It's incredibly obvious what is happening with questioning election integrity. If you get yourself to believe the other side is doing it, it makes it so much easier to do it yourself. There's only one side doing this, and guess which side you are on Crash. I swear some people would rather our government resemble Russia, Belarus, China, Hungary etc.
 
So if you are not dishonest and acknowledge that you might be mislead then why not put the sources you rely on for your beliefs on trial and try to get a better understanding of what they are saying holds up?

This is unlikely. When an Ego is tethered to beliefs that are not based on reality, the Ego cannot handle criticism or be open to change (see this person and everyone like him). Best to let reality guide your beliefs with a side of modesty.
 
Lol I love it!!

“No I will not show you my sources because you guys will just dismiss it!”

Brilliant circular logic! “I’m right because if I show you where I get my info from you’ll ignore it!” I guess that means you’re never wrong then!

Btw, if some one here is making a claim you feel is bs or wrong, by all means ask for a source! I’ve never seen you do that so I can only imagine that when you say we’ll ignore the support of your claims that you are merely projecting.

Prove me wrong though, you’ve been asked at least four times now to back up your claim that Mail in ballots are more error prone.
 
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