More Than $1M On Drug Testing For Welfare Recipients

[Fanatical Meat]

Most people that do drugs and work for companies that test, pass them just fine. It's not hard. One of my coworkers passed by holding water in his mouth, peed a little in the cup then the rest with the water he was holding after smoking a joint the night before even...passed no problems. Those urine tests are junk.

The companies I've worked for generally aren't looking for pot, I believe most just want to know concentrations like high or low usage.

 

[Jhhnn]

Go ahead and quote where I called them lazy.

Right here-

Which is why I said the state should raise them if their parents aren't even making an attempt to not be an enormous burden on everybody around them.

But only if the parents are poor & fail a drug test, of course.

 

[Joepublic2]

Right here-



But only if the parents are poor & fail a drug test, of course.

I'm not reading "lazy" in anything I typed there. Having kids you can't/won't support is a huge burden on everybody else, regardless of how hard you work. If you're the hardest working ditch digger in the world you probably still can't afford to properly raise 8 children. If the state gives you money to help and you blow it on stupid shit you have your priorities inverted and are a terrible parent.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm not reading "lazy" in anything I typed there. Having kids you can't/won't support is a huge burden on everybody else, regardless of how hard you work. If you're the hardest working ditch digger in the world you probably still can't afford to properly raise 8 children. If the state gives you money to help and you blow it on stupid shit you have your priorities inverted and are a terrible parent.

Ahh, yes- splitting hairs & obfuscating. I never expected any different.

 

[Darwin333]

More likely it'll just create more bullshit.

Which is what we're talking about when we're talking about urine testing for non-psychoactive cannabis metabolites. It's half of all workplace tested 'positivity" & likely higher with random rather than for cause or pre-employment testing.

http://newsroom.questdiagnostics.co...sting-Index-Analysis-of-Employment-Drug-Tests

You have to actually read that to parse out the fact that positives for cannabis are half, btw.

Which leads us to question why cannabis users should be singled out- because they're lawbreakers. Which leads to the question of why we define them as such- because we can. We must, in order to protect white women from their own impulses & to prevent the outbreak of reefer madness, don't you see?

Any questions?

Too bad that there's not a test for drinkers, scratch card lotto players, chronic speeders & guys who spend too much on ammo, huh?

You're preaching to the choir buddy. I've always found it ironic that you can smoke a fuckload of crack or inject a bunch of heroin and pass a drug test in 3 days but smoke a joint and you can fail 30 days later. That's one of the reasons I only test my guys on Thursdays and the ones that are half smart can figure out the test is coming a month in advance. I give them every opportunity to clean up or figure out how to fake it while still maintaining a "drug free workplace".

The thing that really sucks for them though is if they get hurt on the job the very first thing that happens is they are drug tested and if drugs are found in their system workers comp doesn't cover their medical costs.

My guys, and myself, have to put up with that to make money and pay taxes. Why shouldn't those getting monthly checks with said tax dollars have to do the same, at least at the time of signing up? I don't know if I would go so far as to start doing random testing on them.

 

[Darwin333]

You shouldn't have to take a piss test to earn your money. Just because you're getting fucked, don't turn around and fuck over other people even worse. Work to improve your own lot in life as well as theirs.

I swear 90% of this country would be happy living under a tarp eating rats as long as the next guy over somehow has it worse.

How do they have it worse than me when they just have to do the same thing to get my money (except the entire earning it part) as I have to do to earn said money?

I don't see any other way to fix the current retardedness of the system except to get as many people as possible pissed the hell off at it.

BTW, I am the employer and I "do" the drug testing in order to have a "drug free workplace" which is required for a ton of projects and highly advised by the lawyers from a liability standpoint. Regardless, the issue with workers comp is still very real and hits the occasional pot smoker much more often than the every weekend crackhead.

 

[Jhhnn]

You're preaching to the choir buddy. I've always found it ironic that you can smoke a fuckload of crack or inject a bunch of heroin and pass a drug test in 3 days but smoke a joint and you can fail 30 days later. That's one of the reasons I only test my guys on Thursdays and the ones that are half smart can figure out the test is coming a month in advance. I give them every opportunity to clean up or figure out how to fake it while still maintaining a "drug free workplace".

The thing that really sucks for them though is if they get hurt on the job the very first thing that happens is they are drug tested and if drugs are found in their system workers comp doesn't cover their medical costs.

My guys, and myself, have to put up with that to make money and pay taxes. Why shouldn't those getting monthly checks with said tax dollars have to do the same, at least at the time of signing up? I don't know if I would go so far as to start doing random testing on them.

Spreading the misery just makes it worse, not better, makes it more "normal".

When national prohibition comes down, the "it's illegal" rationale for cannabis urinalysis will crumble as well, simply because it does not indicate intoxication at the time of test.

It can't happen too soon.

 

[xj0hnx]

Poor people who cant afford food also cant afford drugs, so they pass many drug tests. This is something that should be very obvious. If you want to drug test people to find who uses the drugs, drug test people who make over 1 million a year. You will find most of the heavy cocaine users this way.

"Poor people who cant afford food also cant afford drugs, so they pass many drug tests"

This.

The attack on the poor continues though.

So much ignorance in these two statements, "drugs they can't afford" is what keeps a lot of these people in the poor house. Those that use and don't work work usually resort to low level dealing to support their use. If you are working a shit job, spending what little extra you might have, and then some is why they get stuck, and many use to help easy the shit show that is life below the poverty line. Been there, done that, anyone that thinks that drug use, and alcoholism isn't rampant in poor, welfare using neighborhoods is a fucking idiot that doesn't know what they are talking about.

 

[umbrella39]

Was going to create a new thread but found this one while searching....

Add Michigan to the List of O 'fers Attempting to Catch Welfare Recipients Using Drugs:

Lansing — Michigan did not catch a single welfare recipient using illegal drugs during a one-year pilot program designed to screen and test suspected substance abusers, provide them with treatment or kick them off government cash assistance if they refused.

In a Tuesday report to legislators, the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services said it conducted suspicion-based screenings for 14 of 443 Family Independence Program applicants or recipients between October 2015 and Sept. 30, 2016 in Allegan, Clinton and Marquette counties.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2016/12/02/welfare-drug-screening/94826672/

Granted this was a small sample but it does follow the trend of testing cost more money than it saves kicking positive drug users off the rolls not to mention the sometimes conflict of interest when someone in the State legislature pushing for these screens has a relative that owns the labs doing the testing...

 

[IronWing]

Well crap, this is outrageous. Time to add more drugs to the schedule and get tough.

 

[JSt0rm]

My guys, and myself, have to put up with that to make money and pay taxes. Why shouldn't those getting monthly checks with said tax dollars have to do the same, at least at the time of signing up? I don't know if I would go so far as to start doing random testing on them.

So the policy for you is to test them because you test. Cost doesn't matter then.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I don't think testing is particularly useful other than justifying why someone should have nothing and you have something or plenty of something.
I do have to point out several hundred people tested positive but were removed from the survey because "reasons". Yes the report cited "reasons". I also read they chose the cheap and inaccurate test(s).

 

[Paratus]

Was going to create a new thread but found this one while searching....

Add Michigan to the List of O 'fers Attempting to Catch Welfare Recipients Using Drugs:



http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2016/12/02/welfare-drug-screening/94826672/

Granted this was a small sample but it does follow the trend of testing cost more money than it saves kicking positive drug users off the rolls not to mention the sometimes conflict of interest when someone in the State legislature pushing for these screens has a relative that owns the labs doing the testing...

It's a waste, but it appeals to certain voters guts that high numbers of welfare recipients must be on drugs. So waste money they do.

Now many people, some of the best people are saying on Tv and on the internet that drug use is rampant among some on the right.

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