More soldiers died from suicide in January than from combat operations

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
The Army's confirmed rate of suicides in 2008 was 20.2 per 100,000 soldiers. The nation's suicide rate was 19.5 per 100,000 people in 2005, the most recent figure available, Army officials said last month.

If that's true, this is not news, except to say that very few soldiers are currently dying in combat operations.

IIRC The armed forces rate of suicide compared to those in the nations same age bracket, are 2-3 times the norm. I would imagine the success rate is much higher as well. I recall a few suicides, close to me, when I was in, and all were attributed to dear john letters. Not saying that is the case here, but something to think about.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Cellulose

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Please google and post more death and destruction. I love it.

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Enjoy!

This may seem like an obvious question to some, but how many of those likely resulted in the death of the vehicle occupants? (90%?)

It is why he likes them. Jpeyton doesn't truly understand his own reasons for hate, he is a disillusioned troll who lost it when he realized he had no real power in regards to the war. He accused the right of being bloodthirsty, but he is just as bloodthirsty as them when he rejoices in the dead of soldiers.

I think, if you had any sense of charity, you could try to expand your vision to include what those opposed to the war experience when our troops die. For you, perhaps, you see heroes who fell protecting your freedom. For them, what they see is cannon fodder, fools whose belief in stupid men like Bush, have gotten them killed. Nobody listens, the men march off to die, willing victims of their irrational mentality. The waste of human life is pathetic and enraging for some, and the powerless to change it is a curse they have to bear. They beat the soldier because they love him, just like you do with your different perspective. It is the rage of frustration and helplessness. Poor dear soldiers, how we waste your lives you give so willingly. Beautiful lives ended way too early.

I know what you are saying, but I don't agree with you Moonbeam sorry. They can find another way to vent there frustrations besides wishing dead on people from blind hatred at a administration.

Perhaps they will do that just as soon as you find another way to vent your frustration by sending them to satisfy your need for security and revenge, no?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: AFMatt

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Farang
wow this thread went downhill..

That comes from the tendency of posters in this forum to resort to name-calling when they don't agree with something, instead of simply ignoring it.

Then there's your tendency to troll.

My so called "troll" post implies that the root cause of the high suicide rate is the fact that we weren't greeted as liberators in Iraq (e.g. the flowers/candy), instead starting a war/occupation that put 100,000 Iraqi civilians into the ground.

Although the original wording was a lot catchier.

You don't have a f'n clue how we are greeted in Iraq, you f'in idiot. Troll you stupid crap somewhere else.

Why don't you f'in tell us your experience instead of f'in f'in. Make a case for something rather than your empty rhetoric.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: jpeyton
This is due to a lack of flowers and/or candy from the Iraqis who greet them on the streets.

You are one disturbed person, seek professional help.

Yet clearly not as disturbed as the soldiers painting the walls with their own brain matter. Go figure.

That was really uncalled for. If you were a child, I'd tell you to sit in a corner and think about what you said.

I may not be interpreting his meaning correctly, but in a way...he's right.

the soldiers who are committing suicide ARE disturbed...severely so. There are things that happen in war that no human being should have to ever see or experience. Some people's minds can't process it and get rid of it. PTSD is a real disorder/disease/whatever you want to call it. It is/can be VERY disturbing. Some people would rather kill themselves than live with it. Happened during/after Vietnam as well. Some people would rather kill themselves than go back and do/see it again.

Our Government needs to improve the PTSD care for our troops.

It's available, but anyone on active duty who goes for counseling is usually looked down on as weak...when in reality, they're strong enough to realize that they need help dealing with it.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: jpeyton
This is due to a lack of flowers and/or candy from the Iraqis who greet them on the streets.

You are one disturbed person, seek professional help.

Yet clearly not as disturbed as the soldiers painting the walls with their own brain matter. Go figure.

That was really uncalled for. If you were a child, I'd tell you to sit in a corner and think about what you said.

I may not be interpreting his meaning correctly,

No, you arent.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Why don't you f'in tell us your experience instead of f'in f'in. Make a case for something rather than your empty rhetoric.

It's rather difficult to put 22 months of deployment into words that an idiot like you will understand. I met plenty of citizens in Iraq/Afghanistan who were overly happy that the US was there, and I saw a shitload of wells, schools, electric grids, police stations, and plenty of other improvements in both countries.

 

[OCGuy]

Thank you for your service, TB. You are more of a man than most these internet warriors will ever be.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Why don't you f'in tell us your experience instead of f'in f'in. Make a case for something rather than your empty rhetoric.

It's rather difficult to put 22 months of deployment into words that an idiot like you will understand. I met plenty of citizens in Iraq/Afghanistan who were overly happy that the US was there, and I saw a shitload of wells, schools, electric grids, police stations, and plenty of other improvements in both countries.

I was talking to AFMatt whose only contribution to the thread was to say:

"You don't have a f'n clue how we are greeted in Iraq, you f'in idiot. Troll you stupid crap somewhere else." It's fine by me if he feels a need to take a shit, but it didn't say anything to me. I learned nothing and am no wiser. I heard no case for anything or any point of view. Any idiot can call anybody else an idiot. Proving it is another matter.

Now I totally agree that I will never know how the Iraqis would greet me as an American soldier, at least not on a personal level, and not with all the emotional content you will have acquired. I will forever be an idiot in that respect. Everything I learn will be second or third hand but quite frankly, I think you have made a mistake in directing your anger to me. I made no case nor rendered any personal opinion on that matter. I spoke earlier about how those opposed to the war may feel. I did not express my opinion at all. I think you are just lashing out at your collected Moonbeam impressions.

But I do know some things from sometime back when I was very young. I fought is what I call the Great War, the war against emptiness, hopelessness and unremitting depression, against meaningless and agony, and I won. I was completely and totally defeated and that's how I won. The minute I died something infinite got free. The me that was no longer is. I know that hidden in our deepest pain buried under tons of shit, is love. And I know that any soldier who knows what I know will not kill himself, unless maybe, of course, for some medical reason or advances age one were sure it's really the time to go.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Why don't you f'in tell us your experience instead of f'in f'in. Make a case for something rather than your empty rhetoric.

It's rather difficult to put 22 months of deployment into words that an idiot like you will understand. I met plenty of citizens in Iraq/Afghanistan who were overly happy that the US was there, and I saw a shitload of wells, schools, electric grids, police stations, and plenty of other improvements in both countries.

I was talking to AFMatt whose only contribution to the thread was to say:

"You don't have a f'n clue how we are greeted in Iraq, you f'in idiot. Troll you stupid crap somewhere else." It's fine by me if he feels a need to take a shit, but it didn't say anything to me. I learned nothing and am no wiser. I heard no case for anything or any point of view. Any idiot can call anybody else an idiot. Proving it is another matter.

Now I totally agree that I will never know how the Iraqis would greet me as an American soldier, at least not on a personal level, and not with all the emotional content you will have acquired. I will forever be an idiot in that respect. Everything I learn will be second or third hand but quite frankly, I think you have made a mistake in directing your anger to me. I made no case nor rendered any personal opinion on that matter. I spoke earlier about how those opposed to the war may feel. I did not express my opinion at all. I think you are just lashing out at your collected Moonbeam impressions.

But I do know some things from sometime back when I was very young. I fought is what I call the Great War, the war against emptiness, hopelessness and unremitting depression, against meaningless and agony, and I won. I was completely and totally defeated and that's how I won. The minute I died something infinite got free. The me that was no longer is. I know that hidden in our deepest pain buried under tons of shit, is love. And I know that any soldier who knows what I know will not kill himself, unless maybe, of course, for some medical reason or advances age one were sure it's really the time to go.

That's the first post of yours that I've read that didn't make you seem like a total nutjob. If more were like that then I probably wouldn't lash out and call you an idiot.

But yes, my point was that it is very difficult to make a case about how the Iraqi's greeted us.

 

[KK]

How'd I guess that our resident nutcase jpeyton would be trolling this thread. Can a mod ban this tard already?

 

[AFMatt]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: AFMatt

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Farang
wow this thread went downhill..

That comes from the tendency of posters in this forum to resort to name-calling when they don't agree with something, instead of simply ignoring it.

Then there's your tendency to troll.

My so called "troll" post implies that the root cause of the high suicide rate is the fact that we weren't greeted as liberators in Iraq (e.g. the flowers/candy), instead starting a war/occupation that put 100,000 Iraqi civilians into the ground.

Although the original wording was a lot catchier.

You don't have a f'n clue how we are greeted in Iraq, you f'in idiot. Troll you stupid crap somewhere else.

Why don't you f'in tell us your experience instead of f'in f'in. Make a case for something rather than your empty rhetoric.

Sorry, his comments and the IED vid posting pissed me off. I didn't and still don't feel the need to explain anything to a troll, nor should anyone else. The bottom line is snipets you see on the news obviously don't represent the entire situation, and I probably shouldn't have fed the troll at all.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: KK
How'd I guess that our resident nutcase jpeyton would be trolling this thread. Can a mod ban this tard already?

Drop by PFI.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: AFMatt

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: AFMatt

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Farang
wow this thread went downhill..

That comes from the tendency of posters in this forum to resort to name-calling when they don't agree with something, instead of simply ignoring it.

Then there's your tendency to troll.

My so called "troll" post implies that the root cause of the high suicide rate is the fact that we weren't greeted as liberators in Iraq (e.g. the flowers/candy), instead starting a war/occupation that put 100,000 Iraqi civilians into the ground.

Although the original wording was a lot catchier.

You don't have a f'n clue how we are greeted in Iraq, you f'in idiot. Troll you stupid crap somewhere else.

Why don't you f'in tell us your experience instead of f'in f'in. Make a case for something rather than your empty rhetoric.

Sorry, his comments and the IED vid posting pissed me off. I didn't and still don't feel the need to explain anything to a troll, nor should anyone else. The bottom line is snipets you see on the news obviously don't represent the entire situation, and I probably shouldn't have fed the troll at all.

Come to think of it, I could have asked you much more nicely to explain. I appreciate you saying what you've said here.

 

[Fear No Evil]

This is one bit of 'pork' spending I think Obama would be OK with doing.. more money for psych treatment of our troops. I'm guessing he won't do that though, the national endowment for the arts deserves the money more and does more to protect our freedoms than our troops anyway.. :roll:

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
This is one bit of 'pork' spending I think Obama would be OK with doing.. more money for psych treatment of our troops. I'm guessing he won't do that though, the national endowment for the arts deserves the money more and does more to protect our freedoms than our troops anyway.. :roll:

I'm sure it has ever came up and at this point with how much crying the partisan hacks on the right are doing over every stipulation I doubt it would ever come up now. Just another example of partisan hackery hurting the country instead of helping it.

 

[OCGuy]

What was that? Sicko.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Anyone here seen or heard the George Carlin rant on American euphemistic language and how it conceals reality?

It's about how we prefer soft and sterile language with our euphemisms to sanitize more direct descriptions and behavior.

The prime example he evokes is post-traumatic stress disorder. It has that soft and fuzzy feeling that protects us and prevents our dealing with reality. As if by changing the name of the condition we minimize or change the condition instead of dealing directly with the condition.

He starts with WWI and shell shock which becomes battle fatigue in WWII. On to operational exhaustion and then PTSD.

These guys are sick and need our help as do many of our returning warriors. Here's hoping our gov't will make it a top priority to develop and expand the services and counseling necessary for that help.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: jpeyton
This is due to a lack of flowers and/or candy from the Iraqis who greet them on the streets.

Wow. You are the worst troll in P&N, and that is saying alot.



I wonder if these gassed Kurds wished Saddam was out of power a few years earlier?

Probably. I imagine they also wished the Reagan and GHWB administrations had not provided him with the source materials used to make the gas, and with tens of millions of dollars which he presumably used to deploy it.

 

[FlashG]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: jpeyton
This is due to a lack of flowers and/or candy from the Iraqis who greet them on the streets.

You are one disturbed person, seek professional help.

Yet clearly not as disturbed as the soldiers painting the walls with their own brain matter. Go figure.

That was really uncalled for. If you were a child, I'd tell you to sit in a corner and think about what you said.

I may not be interpreting his meaning correctly, but in a way...he's right.

the soldiers who are committing suicide ARE disturbed...severely so. There are things that happen in war that no human being should have to ever see or experience. Some people's minds can't process it and get rid of it. PTSD is a real disorder/disease/whatever you want to call it. It is/can be VERY disturbing. Some people would rather kill themselves than live with it. Happened during/after Vietnam as well. Some people would rather kill themselves than go back and do/see it again.

Our Government needs to improve the PTSD care for our troops.

It's available, but anyone on active duty who goes for counseling is usually looked down on as weak...when in reality, they're strong enough to realize that they need help dealing with it.

This was a problem that has been swept under the door for every war that I can remember. It was especially problematic after the Korean Conflict.

My ex-navy son at home is having problems as well. We are trying to be as supportive as possible. It the end it?s up to the individual to sort it out for themselves. All we can do is be there.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: FlashG

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: jpeyton
This is due to a lack of flowers and/or candy from the Iraqis who greet them on the streets.

You are one disturbed person, seek professional help.

Yet clearly not as disturbed as the soldiers painting the walls with their own brain matter. Go figure.

That was really uncalled for. If you were a child, I'd tell you to sit in a corner and think about what you said.

I may not be interpreting his meaning correctly, but in a way...he's right.

the soldiers who are committing suicide ARE disturbed...severely so. There are things that happen in war that no human being should have to ever see or experience. Some people's minds can't process it and get rid of it. PTSD is a real disorder/disease/whatever you want to call it. It is/can be VERY disturbing. Some people would rather kill themselves than live with it. Happened during/after Vietnam as well. Some people would rather kill themselves than go back and do/see it again.

Our Government needs to improve the PTSD care for our troops.

It's available, but anyone on active duty who goes for counseling is usually looked down on as weak...when in reality, they're strong enough to realize that they need help dealing with it.

This was a problem that has been swept under the door for every war that I can remember. It was especially problematic after the Korean Conflict.

My ex-navy son at home is having problems as well. We are trying to be as supportive as possible. It the end it?s up to the individual to sort it out for themselves. All we can do is be there.

Perhaps you could get some help with being there in as effective manner as possible by visiting the PTSD military sites on the web for possible advise and resources.

 

[FlashG]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: FlashG

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: jpeyton
This is due to a lack of flowers and/or candy from the Iraqis who greet them on the streets.

You are one disturbed person, seek professional help.

Yet clearly not as disturbed as the soldiers painting the walls with their own brain matter. Go figure.

That was really uncalled for. If you were a child, I'd tell you to sit in a corner and think about what you said.

I may not be interpreting his meaning correctly, but in a way...he's right.

the soldiers who are committing suicide ARE disturbed...severely so. There are things that happen in war that no human being should have to ever see or experience. Some people's minds can't process it and get rid of it. PTSD is a real disorder/disease/whatever you want to call it. It is/can be VERY disturbing. Some people would rather kill themselves than live with it. Happened during/after Vietnam as well. Some people would rather kill themselves than go back and do/see it again.

Our Government needs to improve the PTSD care for our troops.

It's available, but anyone on active duty who goes for counseling is usually looked down on as weak...when in reality, they're strong enough to realize that they need help dealing with it.

This was a problem that has been swept under the door for every war that I can remember. It was especially problematic after the Korean Conflict.

My ex-navy son at home is having problems as well. We are trying to be as supportive as possible. It the end it?s up to the individual to sort it out for themselves. All we can do is be there.

Perhaps you could get some help with being there in as effective manner as possible by visiting the PTSD military sites on the web for possible advise and resources.

Thanks Moombeam. We are involved with various resources. Believe it or not military.com has helped lead him toward some promising jobs and such. I think that there is a lot going on inside people and they somehow have to come to terms with whatever is bothering them. I think that applies to some people paritcipating in this thread as well.

 

[BoomerD]

Our son came home from Iraq with some PTSD after surviving 3 helicopters being shot out from under him...in one of them, he took a round to the head that didn't penetrate the skull case.

The USMC and DoD denied that it happened for about 4 years due to secrecy and that bullshit, but the mission was finally declassified and they've been good about standing up and admitting his claim for treatment. (finally...after it cost him a couple of jobs and a marriage)
He's living in Houston and going to school under both his GI Bill and VA benefits. It looks like he's FINALLY on the mend. Only time will tell.

:thumbsup: to you for supporting where and when you can. Sometimes, all they need is support...and someone to talk to when they're ready.

 

[gingermeggs]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: jpeyton
This is due to a lack of flowers and/or candy from the Iraqis who greet them on the streets.

Wow. You are the worst troll in P&N, and that is saying alot.



I wonder if these gassed Kurds wished Saddam was out of power a few years earlier?

Who sold him the gas?

 

[Butterbean]

Originally posted by: FlashG
I think that there is a lot going on inside people and they somehow have to come to terms with whatever is bothering them. I think that applies to some people paritcipating in this thread as well.

Take a look at this site:

http://www.patriotoutreach.org/

They have been helping people quickly (in weeks ) and demand for their materials is on fire.

The group formed when it was recognized suicide and other problems were mounting and VA wasn't useful.



"VA Hid Suicide Risk, Internal E-Mails Show"

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...ates/main4032921.shtml

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: gingermeggs

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: jpeyton
This is due to a lack of flowers and/or candy from the Iraqis who greet them on the streets.

Wow. You are the worst troll in P&N, and that is saying alot.



I wonder if these gassed Kurds wished Saddam was out of power a few years earlier?

Who sold him the gas?

So?