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Bar81

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: Ronin
You will fade. And we will laugh. This board loathes the day you ever arrived.

I really do wonder if you consider yourself witty. Do you? Do you think you're proving something here? Do you believe that you are fighting some sort of battle? Are you under the misguided notion that ANYONE here cares about you and your opinions?

I'm simply going to ignore you, because this banter, while it has been amusing, serves no purpose to me. It's truly a pity that you can't ignore and blank out a user's posts, because I would love to live in blissful ignorance of the drivel that you post.

That, however, won't stop my mission to see you gone. ;)

That is true. Other boards have an "ignore" function, it sure would be nice if this one did.

Then how would anyone see any of your posts?

 

Bar81

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: Bar81
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: Bar81
All I've done is report the truth. If that gets some upset, there's really not much I can do about it. As to "provoking" a defense, my retort is that I'm not "provoking" anything but for the sake of argument let's say I am, why anyone would need to mount a "defense" of nvidia is beyond me, unless of course.... THEY ARE ON THE PAYROLL. As to it being a minor issue, I don't see where I stated otherwise and if the payroll hadn't freaked out (as usual) then it wouldn't have been a "big issue" Their impassioned defense of the signer of their checks is what made this into a "big issue" On second thought, I guess it's all my fault, you're right I'm just going to go and cry now, thanks for setting me "straight"

ps if you want to see ridiculous threads all you have to look for is the payroll sponsored ones the latest of which is in the video section.

That is the exact thing i am talking about. Your constant references to "the payroll" and what not is what starts sh!t like this. Yes, you did provoke all of this. By including such comments such as "Nvidia's crack driver team has done it again" is dripping with irony and sarcasm. It is a completely slanted point of view. Like i said earlier if you want to present the truth then present it without a bias or dont present it at all.

When in my post did i every "set you straight"? I merely pointed out what was happening in this thread and stated my point of view on the topic.

You put people on the defensive by constantly insulting them. I mean look at your sig!!! Not only that your incredibly slanted posts don't help matters.

You also claim you are reporting the truth. Ok good. It is always nice to know from a member if there is problem with Beta drivers. Cool, like i said earlier you could have just non-chalantly stated it without inserting any slander and everything would be just fine. Instead you post this mess for the second time!!

I still am waiting on a response to my age. Looks to me, Bar81, that you have no response and no counter argument to accurately defend your side. Many people would refer to this thread as a "Moot point".

-Kevin


GET A CLUE PLEASE. First, saying nvidia's driver team is a joke is a matter of opinion and I can state it whether you and the payroll like it or not. If you don't agree then fine, but the facts bear out my contention. And I still don't see how my opinion "provokes a defense" People call out companies all the time, I am never "provoked" to defend any company. I guess you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this point because if you don't understand this concept then we're not going to see eye to eye.

Honestly, nothing against your HS education, but you really need to learn the definition of words before you use them (i.e. slander) Not only is that the incorrect word in this situation, you actually want to used the term libel. Oh, forget it, just look up several posts where I correct a member with the exact same problem.

As to my sig, if the payroll hadn't, pathetically I might add, tried to ban me it wouldn't have come about. If anything they "provoked" me.

On a final note, PLEASE for everyone's sake look up the definition of "moot point" and learn how to use it properly. I'm sorry to harp on these things but it's really painful to see the English language so improperly applied.

Yes, you can state your opinion. It is a free world and a free messaging board. However it hinders other posts and thread when you bost threads that are so slanted to one side that a response is necessary to level things out.

Oh so im part of the payroll to now? Ok, well please explain how that is now that you know i am in High School still. I cant possibly hold a full time job in California, when i am a High School Student in Virginia.

Why are you brining up grammar? Do you have nothing left to argue that you must resort to correcting my grammar? As for English, i can see your point about slander and libel. I have taken Journalism (didn't like it too much though). Slander is spoken whereas libel is written, so i can see that. I know what "moot point" is. It is essentially saying that the point trying to be made simply could have been avoided and resolved. Additionally it says that there is nothing to argue. Hence i used "moot point" in the correct context, although somewhat stretched ill admit.

While we are talking about my grammar how about i throw this out on the table, just to spice things up.

Your thread says, "One step forward, two steps back". Then in the thread you say that Widescreen is a much larger problem then 3d Glasses are. So would that negate you subtopic point? Shouldn't it read two steps forward one step back. Because also according to you Widescreen users make up a huge part of the PC Users here (that was cited from your last rant about how bad Nvidia's drivers are).

It would seem i have a clue, and can accurately convey all of my thoughts into one logical and sensible post. Also it seems that i also do not have to result to insults to get my point across.

-Kevin


First, you're not even close to being part of the payroll, you're not even on the radar. Don't flatter yourself. I pointed out the grammer *after* I responded to your points simply because your butchering of english phrases was annoying, not because it belittles you or your post, that was never the intention.

And the argument you want to use is that I made a conceptual error. If Widescreen is more important than stereo 3D or whatever that crap is then yes it probably wouldn't be two steps back, more like half a step, but I got lazy and just used a common phrase.

Finally, stop being so sensitive. You see me respond to your posts and discuss what you bring up because you do put forth a logical argument, I never said you didn't. And if I wanted to insult you it would be *much* more obvious, but I don't, so it's a moot point ;)
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: Bar81
First, you're not even close to being part of the payroll, you're not even on the radar. Don't flatter yourself. I pointed out the grammer *after* I responded to your points simply because your butchering of english phrases was annoying, not because it belittles you or your post, that was never the intention.

Impressive Bar81. Now you're picking on high school kids. What's next, tripping old ladies?
 

Bar81

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No actually what was impressive was your trolling that actually got your thread locked in video. Kudos, that's quite the accomplishment.

And speaking of "picking" on people, you would think that you would have enough shame to refrain from commenting on the topic considering it takes the entire payroll triumvirate to attempt to insult me.
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: Bar81
No actually what was impressive was your trolling that actually got your thread locked in video. Kudos, that's quite the accomplishment.

And speaking of "picking" on people, you would think that you would have enough shame to refrain from commenting on the topic considering it takes the entire payroll triumvirate to attempt to insult me.

Why that was locked and this exists is a mystery only the mods can answer Bar81. I guess they think you really care about the poor unfortunates trying to use 3d glasses with SLI, and weren't just trolling.
 

Acanthus

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Add me to your sig Bar81, i hate you too.

And it has nothing to do with Nvidia vs ATi, youre a prick.

I disagree with other members all the time, Ive traded blows with rollo and BFG on numerous occasions back in the day. But they are capable of rational thought and dont just spew news articles and insult everyone.
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Add me to your sig Bar81, i hate you too.

And it has nothing to do with Nvidia vs ATi, youre a prick.

I disagree with other members all the time, Ive traded blows with rollo and BFG on numerous occasions back in the day. But they are capable of rational thought and dont just spew news articles and insult everyone.

Wait.....are you on the "secret payroll" too? I don't remember seeing you at the Friday All-staff?

;):beer:
 

Munky

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: will889
Originally posted by: Rollo
That is why people buy SLI Bar81- so they don't have to put up with slow, primitive graphics in games like you do? ;)

From the benchmarks you posted it looks like a single 6800GT is the best way to go. Every game is perfectly playable @ 1280x1024 with eye candy and most @ 16x12. SLI is not needed to have a great gaming experience. I have an NF3/3400+ 6800GT and i enjoy all of those games perfectly fine. There's absolutely nothing primituve running @ 1280x1024 Max AA-AF and 65+ FPS. Primitive is 800x600 or 1024x768 with no AA-AF @ triliniar with max 35 FPS.

The "primitive" I was referring to is the 2003 feature set of the X800s Will889.

I could just as easily call the gf6 cards "primitive" because they dont have 3dc. And NV must think it's important enough to implement in the gf7 cards, so it must be worth something. Anyway, Nvidia's newest cards can't match Ati's "primitive" cards in terms of speed using a single card, so they must resort to SLI in order to claim having the fastest cards. So, while you can scoff at the lack of sm3 support in Ati's cards, 9/10 times the "primitive" x850xtpe will beat a 6800u at 16*12 + AA/AF, sometimes by a large margin.

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/radeon-x850xt/index.x?pg=4
64fps vs 69fps
In Doom3, the 6800u only wins by 5 fps.

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/radeon-x850xt/index.x?pg=6
104fps vs 77fps
In HL2, the 6800u loses by 27 fps

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/radeon-x850xt/index.x?pg=8
48fps vs 34fps
FarCry, the 6800u loses by 14 fps

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/radeon-x850xt/index.x?pg=10
3dmark05, a synthetic benchmark, but the 6800u loses all 3 game tests

I'm not going to start the whole sm3 debate again, but in retrospect, the r300 architecture worked out pretty well for Ati. They had a big lead last gen, and are evenly matched this generation, without having to design a whole new core. So, sm3 aside, the r300 architecture is anything but primitive, since it survived this long and still can't be matched in speed.
 

Gamingphreek

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Originally posted by: munky
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: will889
Originally posted by: Rollo
That is why people buy SLI Bar81- so they don't have to put up with slow, primitive graphics in games like you do? ;)

From the benchmarks you posted it looks like a single 6800GT is the best way to go. Every game is perfectly playable @ 1280x1024 with eye candy and most @ 16x12. SLI is not needed to have a great gaming experience. I have an NF3/3400+ 6800GT and i enjoy all of those games perfectly fine. There's absolutely nothing primituve running @ 1280x1024 Max AA-AF and 65+ FPS. Primitive is 800x600 or 1024x768 with no AA-AF @ triliniar with max 35 FPS.

The "primitive" I was referring to is the 2003 feature set of the X800s Will889.

I could just as easily call the gf6 cards "primitive" because they dont have 3dc. And NV must think it's important enough to implement in the gf7 cards, so it must be worth something. Anyway, Nvidia's newest cards can't match Ati's "primitive" cards in terms of speed using a single card, so they must resort to SLI in order to claim having the fastest cards. So, while you can scoff at the lack of sm3 support in Ati's cards, 9/10 times the "primitive" x850xtpe will beat a 6800u at 16*12 + AA/AF, sometimes by a large margin.

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/radeon-x850xt/index.x?pg=4
64fps vs 69fps
In Doom3, the 6800u only wins by 5 fps.

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/radeon-x850xt/index.x?pg=6
104fps vs 77fps
In HL2, the 6800u loses by 27 fps

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/radeon-x850xt/index.x?pg=8
48fps vs 34fps
FarCry, the 6800u loses by 14 fps

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/radeon-x850xt/index.x?pg=10
3dmark05, a synthetic benchmark, but the 6800u loses all 3 game tests

I'm not going to start the whole sm3 debate again, but in retrospect, the r300 architecture worked out pretty well for Ati. They had a big lead last gen, and are evenly matched this generation, without having to design a whole new core. So, sm3 aside, the r300 architecture is anything but primitive, since it survived this long and still can't be matched in speed.

Actually the Geforce 6 cards do support 3dc.

Additionally no one ever said that a X850XTPE will not beat a 6800U. THis is thread is more a discussion of SLI
 

Gamingphreek

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Originally posted by: Bar81
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: Bar81
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: Bar81
All I've done is report the truth. If that gets some upset, there's really not much I can do about it. As to "provoking" a defense, my retort is that I'm not "provoking" anything but for the sake of argument let's say I am, why anyone would need to mount a "defense" of nvidia is beyond me, unless of course.... THEY ARE ON THE PAYROLL. As to it being a minor issue, I don't see where I stated otherwise and if the payroll hadn't freaked out (as usual) then it wouldn't have been a "big issue" Their impassioned defense of the signer of their checks is what made this into a "big issue" On second thought, I guess it's all my fault, you're right I'm just going to go and cry now, thanks for setting me "straight"

ps if you want to see ridiculous threads all you have to look for is the payroll sponsored ones the latest of which is in the video section.

That is the exact thing i am talking about. Your constant references to "the payroll" and what not is what starts sh!t like this. Yes, you did provoke all of this. By including such comments such as "Nvidia's crack driver team has done it again" is dripping with irony and sarcasm. It is a completely slanted point of view. Like i said earlier if you want to present the truth then present it without a bias or dont present it at all.

When in my post did i every "set you straight"? I merely pointed out what was happening in this thread and stated my point of view on the topic.

You put people on the defensive by constantly insulting them. I mean look at your sig!!! Not only that your incredibly slanted posts don't help matters.

You also claim you are reporting the truth. Ok good. It is always nice to know from a member if there is problem with Beta drivers. Cool, like i said earlier you could have just non-chalantly stated it without inserting any slander and everything would be just fine. Instead you post this mess for the second time!!

I still am waiting on a response to my age. Looks to me, Bar81, that you have no response and no counter argument to accurately defend your side. Many people would refer to this thread as a "Moot point".

-Kevin


GET A CLUE PLEASE. First, saying nvidia's driver team is a joke is a matter of opinion and I can state it whether you and the payroll like it or not. If you don't agree then fine, but the facts bear out my contention. And I still don't see how my opinion "provokes a defense" People call out companies all the time, I am never "provoked" to defend any company. I guess you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this point because if you don't understand this concept then we're not going to see eye to eye.

Honestly, nothing against your HS education, but you really need to learn the definition of words before you use them (i.e. slander) Not only is that the incorrect word in this situation, you actually want to used the term libel. Oh, forget it, just look up several posts where I correct a member with the exact same problem.

As to my sig, if the payroll hadn't, pathetically I might add, tried to ban me it wouldn't have come about. If anything they "provoked" me.

On a final note, PLEASE for everyone's sake look up the definition of "moot point" and learn how to use it properly. I'm sorry to harp on these things but it's really painful to see the English language so improperly applied.

Yes, you can state your opinion. It is a free world and a free messaging board. However it hinders other posts and thread when you bost threads that are so slanted to one side that a response is necessary to level things out.

Oh so im part of the payroll to now? Ok, well please explain how that is now that you know i am in High School still. I cant possibly hold a full time job in California, when i am a High School Student in Virginia.

Why are you brining up grammar? Do you have nothing left to argue that you must resort to correcting my grammar? As for English, i can see your point about slander and libel. I have taken Journalism (didn't like it too much though). Slander is spoken whereas libel is written, so i can see that. I know what "moot point" is. It is essentially saying that the point trying to be made simply could have been avoided and resolved. Additionally it says that there is nothing to argue. Hence i used "moot point" in the correct context, although somewhat stretched ill admit.

While we are talking about my grammar how about i throw this out on the table, just to spice things up.

Your thread says, "One step forward, two steps back". Then in the thread you say that Widescreen is a much larger problem then 3d Glasses are. So would that negate you subtopic point? Shouldn't it read two steps forward one step back. Because also according to you Widescreen users make up a huge part of the PC Users here (that was cited from your last rant about how bad Nvidia's drivers are).

It would seem i have a clue, and can accurately convey all of my thoughts into one logical and sensible post. Also it seems that i also do not have to result to insults to get my point across.

-Kevin


First, you're not even close to being part of the payroll, you're not even on the radar. Don't flatter yourself. I pointed out the grammer *after* I responded to your points simply because your butchering of english phrases was annoying, not because it belittles you or your post, that was never the intention.

And the argument you want to use is that I made a conceptual error. If Widescreen is more important than stereo 3D or whatever that crap is then yes it probably wouldn't be two steps back, more like half a step, but I got lazy and just used a common phrase.

Finally, stop being so sensitive. You see me respond to your posts and discuss what you bring up because you do put forth a logical argument, I never said you didn't. And if I wanted to insult you it would be *much* more obvious, but I don't, so it's a moot point ;)

Im not on the radar huh. Well apparently im pretty close to it:
whether you and the payroll

You resorted to an english cliche or phrase. Ok, so only use those when they apply. Why in the world would you use a phrase that didn't really apply. I believe my AP English teacher would refer to this Logic Fallacy as a "Quick Fix".

As for sensitivity, how am i being too sensitive. I have simply countered each and every one of your posts.

As for my english. I would hardly say that i am butchering the english language. Also you quoted the phrase "moot point" for this. Moot Point isn't even formal english. I would love to see that on an resumee or something.

Additionally, i would hardly say anyone is insulting you. Nor is it taking the entire "payroll". It appears that I handled that back in your previous thread... forget? Your arguments are becoming pathetic and you are relying more and more on catchy phrases and lame insults. If we are so immature and you are so high and mighty, why dont you back down.... you know "be the bigger man"?

-Kevin
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Add me to your sig Bar81, i hate you too.

And it has nothing to do with Nvidia vs ATi, youre a prick.

I disagree with other members all the time, Ive traded blows with rollo and BFG on numerous occasions back in the day. But they are capable of rational thought and dont just spew news articles and insult everyone.

Here you go Acanthus

 

lavaheadache

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This truly is pathetic. Bottom line...... Sli is great if you have a Butt load of money to blow on your gay ass computer. But for a single card solution nothing Nvidia has can touch a x850xtpe from a general performance stand point. Now all of you can STFU. I know some of you masturbate to SM 3.0 and some others get off at the site of 2 graphics cards in your computer but enough is enough. Everybody.... be happy with what you have and let fellow ATers be happy be happy with what they have. I know I am guilty of trying to give general advise to readers of this forum, but I have been accused of being a fan boy too! And for no good reason. Not many of you can say that you have played with both high end cards from both "major" companies. I have. Neither is far superior to the other, mostly just excelling in one area or the other. OK, I through for now. Guiness is starting to take affect and I have to make 250 omelettes in the morning
 

EvilRage

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Well, as long as we're off topic...

BAR81 ENGLISH LESSON

INCORRECT: "Honestly, nothing against your HS education, but you really need to learn the definition of words before you use them (i.e. slander) Not only is that the incorrect word in this sitution, you actually want to used the term libel. Oh, forget it, just look up several posts where I correct a member with the exact same problem."

CORRECT: "...situation, you actually want to use the term libel..." Spelling and grammar on this one. Fun times.

INCORRECT: "First, you're not even close to being part of the payroll, you're not even on the radar. Don't flatter yourself. I pointed out the grammer *after* I responded to your points simply because your butchering of english phrases was annoying, not because it belittles you or your post, that was never the intention."

CORRECT: "...I pointed out the grammar..." And capitalize your proper nouns. It's "English" not "english." Tsk tsk.

INCORRECT: "And the argument you want to use is that I made a conceptual error. If Widescreen is more important than stereo 3D or whatever that crap is then yes it probably wouldn't be two steps back, more like half a step, but I got lazy and just used a common phrase."

CORRECT: "...If widescreen is more important..." Again with the capitalization hang-ups. When will you learn?

I'm not even going to try to touch the various grammar and syntax errors.

Congratulations, you know the difference between slander and libel. I too have seen Spider-Man. It was actually a pretty good flick.

As for the topic... The only time ATI's high-end solution trumped SLI was in lower resolutions. Once the benches hit 16x12 and higher, SLI pulled ahead. I imagine the margin becomes higher as the resolution increases. However, SLI is still bottlenecked by the processor. Even with an FX-55, the bottleneck remains. I'm hoping that once dual-core rolls out, the bottleneck will be removed. Do you think by then we'll have G70s in SLI? I bet the performance increase will be huge.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: EvilRage
Well, as long as we're off topic...

BAR81 ENGLISH LESSON

INCORRECT: "Honestly, nothing against your HS education, but you really need to learn the definition of words before you use them (i.e. slander) Not only is that the incorrect word in this sitution, you actually want to used the term libel. Oh, forget it, just look up several posts where I correct a member with the exact same problem."

CORRECT: "...situation, you actually want to use the term libel..." Spelling and grammar on this one. Fun times.

INCORRECT: "First, you're not even close to being part of the payroll, you're not even on the radar. Don't flatter yourself. I pointed out the grammer *after* I responded to your points simply because your butchering of english phrases was annoying, not because it belittles you or your post, that was never the intention."

CORRECT: "...I pointed out the grammar..." And capitalize your proper nouns. It's "English" not "english." Tsk tsk.

INCORRECT: "And the argument you want to use is that I made a conceptual error. If Widescreen is more important than stereo 3D or whatever that crap is then yes it probably wouldn't be two steps back, more like half a step, but I got lazy and just used a common phrase."

CORRECT: "...If widescreen is more important..." Again with the capitalization hang-ups. When will you learn?

I'm not even going to try to touch the various grammar and syntax errors.

Congratulations, you know the difference between slander and libel. I too have seen Spider-Man. It was actually a pretty good flick.

As for the topic... The only time ATI's high-end solution trumped SLI was in lower resolutions. Once the benches hit 16x12 and higher, SLI pulled ahead. I imagine the margin becomes higher as the resolution increases. However, SLI is still bottlenecked by the processor. Even with an FX-55, the bottleneck remains. I'm hoping that once dual-core rolls out, the bottleneck will be removed. Do you think by then we'll have G70s in SLI? I bet the performance increase will be huge.

The only way around SLIs bottleneck is to take load off of the cpu. Dual core will not fix this problem unless the engine is multithreaded (Doom 3 and the up and coming Unreal Engine 3 are both multithreaded). This will allow all of the physics, AI, and other operations to be completed on the 2nd cpu allowing the 1st to be dedicated to rendering the scene.

How much of the CPU cycles are ate up by physics and AI obviously varies widely with the engine, so while we can expect a performance increase, it may only be margainal. That being said, titles designed to be ultra efficient on the cpu-end will of course benefit more from SLI than CPU limited titles.
 

EvilRage

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I suppose this makes the Phys-X chip look even better, especially for the high-end crowd that must have SLI and dual-core. But hey, I bet it'll run pretty damn sweet.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: EvilRage
I suppose this makes the Phys-X chip look even better, especially for the high-end crowd that must have SLI and dual-core. But hey, I bet it'll run pretty damn sweet.

If it runs like Epic says its going to run, itll be a must have add in board.

4 threads and 200fps for accuracy is an order of magnitude more accurate than even the havok engine is today.
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Jesus Christ this thing has turned into one big fvcking joke.

This thing started out "one big fvcking joke".

A mean spirited person using an "issue" as totally irrelevant as 3d glasses not working to complain about "nVidia's crack driver team".

Like I said, I know what the work of nVidia (and ATIs) driver team are regarded as- either first or second best at what they do in the world.

I've got to wonder if Bar81s work is even regarded as "first or second best in the company he works for". Yet here he is, day in day out, pointing fingers at people who's work it's doubtful he understands, let alone could do, who work at the firm leading the way at this technology like they're some slackers leaning on their shovels in a road crew.