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Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: tss4
absolutely not, but I didn't try to dismiss it the way you used hypocricy to dismiss the case agsinst paid propandists. Why use one wrong to defend another?
Where am I dismissing anything concerning those who were paid?

Some of you seem a bit confused here. I am not defending a damn thing in regards to payments. I am merely bringing to light the hypocrisy of those who would slam one party and give the other pass for a similar transgression.

Instead of acknowledging that though, people would rather argue levels of degree and split hairs. How f'n ridiculous.

Then there are morons like conjur in this thread who are adding nothing but smarm. No surprise there though.

The outright bias displayed in this forum is disgusting.

You turn every thread into accusations of left wing hypocracy. The left is no different from the right. If you have a problem with left wing hypocracy and radicals then why do you spew the same junk?

And yes, you "dismiss" the case against paid propogandists when your only response up to that point had been "The left does it to!".
I know the left is no different from the right. The right seems to understand that fact. So many in the left just don't seem to get it though. Until it finally sinks in, I will continue with my agenda.

I also asked a question in my post previous to this concerning the accusations that what Bush (actually the DoE) did was illegal. Care to comment about that?
 

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Remember Armstrong Williams? There's more, maybe a lot more, starting with this-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...-2005Jan25.html?sub=AR

Can't wait for the replies to the flood of ongoing FOIA requests....

Probably have to stop answering them, to, uhh, "save money"- yeh, that's it....

C'mon, guys, spin it, tell us about the Liberal Media...

But Bush said during his news conference just this morning, when asked if there were any more Armstrong Williams, that there weren't any others!

Bush wouldn't lie, would he? :roll:

Payola seems to SOP in the Bush White House. No surprise there. Payola fits right in with Bush's immoral agenda.

 

arsbanned

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Remember Armstrong Williams? There's more, maybe a lot more, starting with this-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...-2005Jan25.html?sub=AR

Can't wait for the replies to the flood of ongoing FOIA requests....

Probably have to stop answering them, to, uhh, "save money"- yeh, that's it....

C'mon, guys, spin it, tell us about the Liberal Media...

I have a feeling that there's a TON, A BUSHLOAD of paid-off "journalists".
When the Dems were reported doing this by paying off bloggers, none of you guys seemed to care.

So why should anyone care when the Repubs are caught?

Or are you just being your usual hypocrtiical selves?

Yeah, because blogs are such a comprehensive source for news, right? :roll:
Blogs are still part and parcel of the media.

So your poiint was?

Not sure about him, but my point is that I'm surprised you have been here so long and still have no clue how to edit a post.
 
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Originally posted by: arsbanned
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Remember Armstrong Williams? There's more, maybe a lot more, starting with this-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...-2005Jan25.html?sub=AR

Can't wait for the replies to the flood of ongoing FOIA requests....

Probably have to stop answering them, to, uhh, "save money"- yeh, that's it....

C'mon, guys, spin it, tell us about the Liberal Media...

I have a feeling that there's a TON, A BUSHLOAD of paid-off "journalists".
When the Dems were reported doing this by paying off bloggers, none of you guys seemed to care.

So why should anyone care when the Repubs are caught?

Or are you just being your usual hypocrtiical selves?

Yeah, because blogs are such a comprehensive source for news, right? :roll:
Blogs are still part and parcel of the media.

So your poiint was?

Not sure about him, but my point is that I'm surprised you have been here so long and still have no clue how to edit a post.
Well living the life of Riley and having married into money, Dan, I'm sure you have the luxury and free-time to edit every post. I don't.

 

arsbanned

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Damn, how'd you know? You spying on me again? bwhahahaha.
Anyway, I did have one more gem to comment on (before I head up to Sugarloaf for some skiing :D):
Then there are morons like conjur in this thread who are adding nothing but smarm. No surprise there though.

The outright bias displayed in this forum is disgusting.

IRONY ALERT, IRONY ALERT!!
 
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Originally posted by: arsbanned
Damn, how'd you know? You spying on me again? bwhahahaha.
Anyway, I did have one more gem to comment on (before I head up to Sugarloaf for some skiing :D):
Then there are morons like conjur in this thread who are adding nothing but smarm. No surprise there though.

The outright bias displayed in this forum is disgusting.

IRONY ALERT, IRONY ALERT!!

I see.

I asked a question previously about proving what "Bush" did with Armstrong Williams was illegal. It was a promotion of an existing law, which is perfectly legal and happens all the time ("Spped Kills." "Just Say No." etc.). After I asked that question, it got very quiet in here. So, would you care to provide some input about that Dan?

And I don't need to spy on you. You've admitted it in this very forum, so it's not like it's a secret.
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: tss4
absolutely not, but I didn't try to dismiss it the way you used hypocricy to dismiss the case agsinst paid propandists. Why use one wrong to defend another?
Where am I dismissing anything concerning those who were paid?

Some of you seem a bit confused here. I am not defending a damn thing in regards to payments. I am merely bringing to light the hypocrisy of those who would slam one party and give the other pass for a similar transgression.

Instead of acknowledging that though, people would rather argue levels of degree and split hairs. How f'n ridiculous.

Then there are morons like conjur in this thread who are adding nothing but smarm. No surprise there though.

The outright bias displayed in this forum is disgusting.

You turn every thread into accusations of left wing hypocracy. The left is no different from the right. If you have a problem with left wing hypocracy and radicals then why do you spew the same junk?

And yes, you "dismiss" the case against paid propogandists when your only response up to that point had been "The left does it to!".
I know the left is no different from the right. The right seems to understand that fact. So many in the left just don't seem to get it though. Until it finally sinks in, I will continue with my agenda.

I also asked a question in my post previous to this concerning the accusations that what Bush (actually the DoE) did was illegal. Care to comment about that?

The right has no clue either. You're blind by bias if you can't see that. CAD has done nothing but whine in the last thread I saw him about how biased the left is and they do nothing but attack him while he does nothing more than ask honest questions to contribute to the debate. He's as full of bull as any of the leftist here but is completely blind to that fact.

Your comments about the DoE? Wow, congratulations it took you only 5 posts to do something other than whine about leftist hypocracy and actually address the issues of the thread. As far as your most recent post about its legality... yes, I agree. Now why couldn't you have made that statement three pages ago, instead of coming out guns blazing about left wing hypocracy.
 
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Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: tss4
absolutely not, but I didn't try to dismiss it the way you used hypocricy to dismiss the case agsinst paid propandists. Why use one wrong to defend another?
Where am I dismissing anything concerning those who were paid?

Some of you seem a bit confused here. I am not defending a damn thing in regards to payments. I am merely bringing to light the hypocrisy of those who would slam one party and give the other pass for a similar transgression.

Instead of acknowledging that though, people would rather argue levels of degree and split hairs. How f'n ridiculous.

Then there are morons like conjur in this thread who are adding nothing but smarm. No surprise there though.

The outright bias displayed in this forum is disgusting.

You turn every thread into accusations of left wing hypocracy. The left is no different from the right. If you have a problem with left wing hypocracy and radicals then why do you spew the same junk?

And yes, you "dismiss" the case against paid propogandists when your only response up to that point had been "The left does it to!".
I know the left is no different from the right. The right seems to understand that fact. So many in the left just don't seem to get it though. Until it finally sinks in, I will continue with my agenda.

I also asked a question in my post previous to this concerning the accusations that what Bush (actually the DoE) did was illegal. Care to comment about that?

The right has no clue either. You're blind by bias if you can't see that. CAD has done nothing but whine in the last thread I saw him about how biased the left is and they do nothing but attack him while he does nothing more than ask honest questions to contribute to the debate. He's as full of bull as any of the leftist here but is completely blind to that fact.
Well that's a completely different issue. CAD and some of the other right-wingers in here have asked some good questions and made some good points. Instead of answering them though, the folks that outnumber them would rather ridicule them instead in a massive dog-pile of a move. They seem to beleive that simply overwhelming numbers make them right and anything they say, no matter how wrong, is right if enough people wrongly join in with their belief. It's ironic that it's one of the very same things the lefties complain about concerning Bush supporters, yet they do it themselves. That's why I've become a snarling attack dog myself on occassion. It part of that whole mirror thing. They don't seem to notice their reflection though. Maybe I should go recruit some folks from a few conservative forums that I'm familiar with and change the balance in this forum and let them see the other side? Maybe then the left would have a bit more cmopassion in here for those they constantly pooh-pooh.

For example, anyone who is aganist gay marriage is instantly pegged as a homophobe. That's jusdt hyperbole in action. Why can't some of the liberals accept that some people don't believe in gay marriage and leave it at that? Why do they have to resort to overstatement and false characterizations? Doing so is pure crap and a grade-school form of reasoning.

Your comments about the DoE? Wow, congratulations it took you only 5 posts to do something other than whine about leftist hypocracy and actually address the issues of the thread. As far as your most recent post about its legality... yes, I agree. Now why couldn't you have made that statement three pages ago, instead of coming out guns blazing about left wing hypocracy.
Because someone would have called me a Bush apologist anyway and this would have happened anyway. One can't even provide logic or truth in here if it defends Bush in any way witout being labelled and falsely characterized.
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: tss4
absolutely not, but I didn't try to dismiss it the way you used hypocricy to dismiss the case agsinst paid propandists. Why use one wrong to defend another?
Where am I dismissing anything concerning those who were paid?

Some of you seem a bit confused here. I am not defending a damn thing in regards to payments. I am merely bringing to light the hypocrisy of those who would slam one party and give the other pass for a similar transgression.

Instead of acknowledging that though, people would rather argue levels of degree and split hairs. How f'n ridiculous.

Then there are morons like conjur in this thread who are adding nothing but smarm. No surprise there though.

The outright bias displayed in this forum is disgusting.

You turn every thread into accusations of left wing hypocracy. The left is no different from the right. If you have a problem with left wing hypocracy and radicals then why do you spew the same junk?

And yes, you "dismiss" the case against paid propogandists when your only response up to that point had been "The left does it to!".
I know the left is no different from the right. The right seems to understand that fact. So many in the left just don't seem to get it though. Until it finally sinks in, I will continue with my agenda.

I also asked a question in my post previous to this concerning the accusations that what Bush (actually the DoE) did was illegal. Care to comment about that?

The right has no clue either. You're blind by bias if you can't see that. CAD has done nothing but whine in the last thread I saw him about how biased the left is and they do nothing but attack him while he does nothing more than ask honest questions to contribute to the debate. He's as full of bull as any of the leftist here but is completely blind to that fact.
Well that's a completely different issue. CAD and some of the other right-wingers in here have asked some good questions and made some good points. Instead of answering them though, the folks that outnumber them would rather ridicule them instead in a massive dog-pile of a move. They seem to beleive that simply overwhelming numbers make them right and anything they say, no matter how wrong, is right if enough people wrongly join in with their belief. It's ironic that it's one of the very same things the lefties complain about concerning Bush supporters, yet they do it themselves. That's why I've become a snarling attack dog myself on occassion. It part of that whole mirror thing. They don't seem to notice their reflection though. Maybe I should go recruit some folks from a few conservative forums that I'm familiar with and change the balance in this forum and let them see the other side? Maybe then the left would have a bit more cmopassion in here for those they constantly pooh-pooh.

For example, anyone who is aganist gay marriage is instantly pegged as a homophobe. That's jusdt hyperbole in action. Why can't some of the liberals accept that some people don't believe in gay marriage and leave it at that? Why do they have to resort to overstatement and false characterizations? Doing so is pure crap and a grade-school form of reasoning.

Your comments about the DoE? Wow, congratulations it took you only 5 posts to do something other than whine about leftist hypocracy and actually address the issues of the thread. As far as your most recent post about its legality... yes, I agree. Now why couldn't you have made that statement three pages ago, instead of coming out guns blazing about left wing hypocracy.
Because someone would have called me a Bush apologist anyway and this would have happened anyway. One can't even provide logic or truth in here if it defends Bush in any way witout being labelled and falsely characterized.

Well, congratulations then. You've become as bad as those you complain about.

And CAD is no different from the rest. Plenty of left wingers have made good points only to be poopood by the right wingers. CAD is an attack dog looking to make groundless attacks on the motives of those he disagrees with. But I guess the enemy of your enemy is your freind, right? So, you'll defend his actions.
 

arsbanned

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Damn, how'd you know? You spying on me again? bwhahahaha.
Anyway, I did have one more gem to comment on (before I head up to Sugarloaf for some skiing :D):
Then there are morons like conjur in this thread who are adding nothing but smarm. No surprise there though.

The outright bias displayed in this forum is disgusting.

IRONY ALERT, IRONY ALERT!!
I see.

I asked a question previously about proving what "Bush" did with Armstrong Williams was illegal. It was a promotion of an existing law, which is perfectly legal and happens all the time ("Spped Kills." "Just Say No." etc.). After I asked that question, it got very quiet in here. So, would you care to provide some input about that Dan?

And I don't need to spy on you. You've admitted it in this very forum, so it's not like it's a secret.

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

I see.

I asked a question previously about proving what Bush did with Armstrong Williams was illegal. It was a promotion of an existing law, which is perfectly legal and happens all the time (Spped Kills. Just Say No. etc.). After I asked that question, it got very quiet in here. So, would you care to provide some input about that Dan?

Happy to oblige. Thank you, DonVito for your legal expertise.



47 U.S.C. 317

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(1) All matter broadcast by any radio station for which any money, service or other valuable consideration is directly or indirectly paid, or promised to or charged or accepted by, the station so broadcasting, from any person, shall, at the time the same is so broadcast, be announced as paid for or furnished, as the case may be, by such person: Provided, That ?service or other valuable consideration? shall not include any service or property furnished without charge or at a nominal charge for use on, or in connection with, a broadcast unless it is so furnished in consideration for an identification in a broadcast of any person, product, service, trademark, or brand name beyond an identification which is reasonably related to the use of such service or property on the broadcast.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Second of all, the Republicans are not "my party." I'm a registered Independent. I have absolutely no reason or motivation to support either Republicans or Bush. My motivation is to counter the lies and hypocrisy spread by the new liberal liars that are so prolific in presence these days. I can't stand those fools. They are loaded full of themselves and full of crap as well and somebody needs to knock it out of them. That's why I'm here and for no other reason. I don't give a crap about Bush.

Oh the irony! :D

Thanks for the great laugh!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :laugh:
 

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Maggie Gallagher Responds to Howard Kurtz

I was not paid to promote the President's marriage proposal. In 2001 I was approached by HHS to do research and writing, not on the President's $300 million marriage initiative, but on marriage: specifically four brochures on the social science evidence on the benefits of marriage for populations serviced by HHS (such as unwed parents), a draft of an essay for Wade Horn, and a training presentation on the social science evidence on the benefits of marriage for regional HHS managers.

There is nothing here. Nothing inappropriate at all. Just lefties trying to make the Bush Administration look bad. Nothing new there. I mean, Mrs. Clinton even tried to blame abortion on Bush.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: tss4
absolutely not, but I didn't try to dismiss it the way you used hypocricy to dismiss the case agsinst paid propandists. Why use one wrong to defend another?
Where am I dismissing anything concerning those who were paid?

Some of you seem a bit confused here. I am not defending a damn thing in regards to payments. I am merely bringing to light the hypocrisy of those who would slam one party and give the other pass for a similar transgression.

Instead of acknowledging that though, people would rather argue levels of degree and split hairs. How f'n ridiculous.

Then there are morons like conjur in this thread who are adding nothing but smarm. No surprise there though.

The outright bias displayed in this forum is disgusting.

You turn every thread into accusations of left wing hypocracy. The left is no different from the right. If you have a problem with left wing hypocracy and radicals then why do you spew the same junk?

And yes, you "dismiss" the case against paid propogandists when your only response up to that point had been "The left does it to!".
I know the left is no different from the right. The right seems to understand that fact. So many in the left just don't seem to get it though. Until it finally sinks in, I will continue with my agenda.

I also asked a question in my post previous to this concerning the accusations that what Bush (actually the DoE) did was illegal. Care to comment about that?

The right has no clue either. You're blind by bias if you can't see that. CAD has done nothing but whine in the last thread I saw him about how biased the left is and they do nothing but attack him while he does nothing more than ask honest questions to contribute to the debate. He's as full of bull as any of the leftist here but is completely blind to that fact.

Your comments about the DoE? Wow, congratulations it took you only 5 posts to do something other than whine about leftist hypocracy and actually address the issues of the thread. As far as your most recent post about its legality... yes, I agree. Now why couldn't you have made that statement three pages ago, instead of coming out guns blazing about left wing hypocracy.

Uh - I don't think I've posted in this thread until now. Is it now OK to do this? I've seen it happen quite a bit lately yet it seems to me not long ago it was a "rule".
*shrugs* - oh well...

Oh, and just so the truth is told - CAD didn't whine about how biased the left is, nor did I claim they do nothing but attack me. The thread was where I was accused by those who got their panties in a bunch for what they claim was a hateful attack - yet I actually ASKED a question instead of jumping on the person. Hey, now that's a novel concept - asking instead of ASSuming - maybe more people should ask instead of ASSume about hateful attacks. If you think defending myself against those false accusations is whining- then so be it. I could really care less about what you claim, but I do find it funny that you try to play this holier than thou routine and call others blind when you didn't seem to want to be honest about the other issue. Now who's blind? Yeah... thought so.

CsG
 

Proletariat

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: NJDevil
I find it remarkable that really strong supporters can refuse to admit their party/leader/whatever has ever done any wrongdoing. I'm an independent, and I'm outraged by this. I would be equally outraged if a democrat had done the same.

Tasteslikechicken:

You comparing a Blog to a columnist is really unfair comparison. Columnists are supposed to present THEIR opinion in the news media, any payment from the administration presents a conflict of interests. Why do you think that other guy (forgot his name) lost his job after it was discovered that he was paid to promote No Child Left Behind? Blogs are not held accountable because they are not held to any standards. On the other hand, columnists are held to certain standards which include not being bought out.

It's freaking remarkable that some of you guys (both conservative/liberal, etc.) are blind enough to ignore any mistakes your party has made. Unbelievable!
First of all, I'm not pardoning anything that Armstrong did. I hope they take him throiugh the wringer and rake him over the coals. If he's lucky, he'll get a slap on the wrist though like Dan Rather and his cronies.

Second of all, the Republicans are not "my party." I'm a registered Independent. I have absolutely no reason or motivation to support either Republicans or Bush. My motivation is to counter the lies and hypocrisy spread by the new liberal liars that are so prolific in presence these days. I can't stand those fools. They are loaded full of themselves and full of crap as well and somebody needs to knock it out of them. That's why I'm here and for no other reason. I don't give a crap about Bush.

Understand?
What a bunch of crap. Do you enjoy spewing crap daily? You are just like Bill O'Reilly. As much as I dislike Republicans, I dislike people who can't take a solid stance on who they are even moree. Or do you just like tossing Independent around so you can avoid the fire?
 

arsbanned

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TLC, how about the law that was violated. You asked for proof. Any comments? I ask merely for informational purposes. :D
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: tss4
absolutely not, but I didn't try to dismiss it the way you used hypocricy to dismiss the case agsinst paid propandists. Why use one wrong to defend another?
Where am I dismissing anything concerning those who were paid?

Some of you seem a bit confused here. I am not defending a damn thing in regards to payments. I am merely bringing to light the hypocrisy of those who would slam one party and give the other pass for a similar transgression.

Instead of acknowledging that though, people would rather argue levels of degree and split hairs. How f'n ridiculous.

Then there are morons like conjur in this thread who are adding nothing but smarm. No surprise there though.

The outright bias displayed in this forum is disgusting.

You turn every thread into accusations of left wing hypocracy. The left is no different from the right. If you have a problem with left wing hypocracy and radicals then why do you spew the same junk?

And yes, you "dismiss" the case against paid propogandists when your only response up to that point had been "The left does it to!".
I know the left is no different from the right. The right seems to understand that fact. So many in the left just don't seem to get it though. Until it finally sinks in, I will continue with my agenda.

I also asked a question in my post previous to this concerning the accusations that what Bush (actually the DoE) did was illegal. Care to comment about that?

The right has no clue either. You're blind by bias if you can't see that. CAD has done nothing but whine in the last thread I saw him about how biased the left is and they do nothing but attack him while he does nothing more than ask honest questions to contribute to the debate. He's as full of bull as any of the leftist here but is completely blind to that fact.

Your comments about the DoE? Wow, congratulations it took you only 5 posts to do something other than whine about leftist hypocracy and actually address the issues of the thread. As far as your most recent post about its legality... yes, I agree. Now why couldn't you have made that statement three pages ago, instead of coming out guns blazing about left wing hypocracy.

Uh - I don't think I've posted in this thread until now. Is it now OK to do this? I've seen it happen quite a bit lately yet it seems to me not long ago it was a "rule".
*shrugs* - oh well...

Oh, and just so the truth is told - CAD didn't whine about how biased the left is, nor did I claim they do nothing but attack me. The thread was where I was accused by those who got their panties in a bunch for what they claim was a hateful attack - yet I actually ASKED a question instead of jumping on the person. Hey, now that's a novel concept - asking instead of ASSuming - maybe more people should ask instead of ASSume about hateful attacks. If you think defending myself against those false accusations is whining- then so be it. I could really care less about what you claim, but I do find it funny that you try to play this holier than thou routine and call others blind when you didn't seem to want to be honest about the other issue. Now who's blind? Yeah... thought so.

CsG

Just because you posed your attack as a question doesn't make it right. And you were an excellent example of the right being as aggressive as the left in reponse to TLC. Well they can go see for themselves.


Linky
 

conjur

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NEW YORK Maggie Gallagher released a statement this afternoon taking issue with aspects of the Washington Post article by Howard Kurtz that today broke the news that she received $21,500 from the Department of Health and Human Services (news - web sites) for marriage-themed writing projects. She called one of Kurtz passages "completely false."

Kurtz, after being contacted by E&P, read a rebuttal statement over the phone, in which he said she was attempting to "blame the messenger."

Here are Gallagher's comments, followed by Kurtz':

"On January 26, 2005, Howard Kurtz of the Washington Post wrote that I 'had a $21,500 contract with the Department of Health and Human Services to help promote the President's proposal.'

"To me, this is an extremely serious charge. It is also completely false. I was not paid to promote the President's marriage proposal. In 2001 I was approached by HHS to do research and writing, not on the President's $300 million marriage initiative, but on marriage: specifically four brochures on the social-science evidence on the benefits of marriage for populations serviced by HHS (such as unwed parents), a draft of an essay for Wade Horn, and a training presentation on the social-science evidence on the benefits of marriage for regional HHS managers.

"I've been a marriage expert, researcher, and advocate for nearly 20 years. I've written two books on marriage, numerous articles in scholarly journals, as well as many newspaper columns and magazine articles. My research and expertise is why HHS hired me, and why I accepted the work assignment. I have written a syndicated column for almost 10 years, but my main work has been research and public education on marriage as a social institution.

"I did not and would not accept any payment to promote anyone else's policies of any kind in my newspaper column or anywhere else. Moreover on Jan. 25, I offered Howard Kurtz copies of my contract and invoice as documentation of my work product. He had also received a copy of my Jan. 25 column, explaining the exact nature of the work I performed, before he filed his story.

"It is not uncommon for researchers, scholars, or experts to get paid by the government to do work relating to their field of expertise. Nor is it considered unethical or shady: if anything, government funded work is considered a mark of an expert's respectability. Until today, researchers and scholars have not generally been expected to disclose a government-funded research project in the past, when they later wrote about their field of expertise in the popular press or in scholarly journals.

"For these reasons, it simply never occurred to me there was a need to disclose this information. I certainly had no intention or motive to hide my work from anyone. As a journalist, however, when the question is raised 'Should you have disclosed?' the answer is always, yes. It was a mistake on my part not to have disclosed any government contract. It will not happen again."

In response, Kurtz told E&P: "It's too bad that Maggie Gallagher, in the process of apologizing for her mistake, has seen fit to blame the messenger. My story made quite clear that her work at HHS included writing brochures for the President's marriage initiative, ghostwriting a magazine article for a top official, and briefing other department officials on the issue. That sure sounds like promotion to me, but none of this would be a media controversy had Ms. Gallagher disclosed the contract in her writing trumpeting the Bush marriage plan."

The Universal Press Syndicate-distributed Gallagher, when reached by E&P, declined to comment beyond her e-mailed statement.

Gallagher Criticizes 'WP' Article; Kurtz Rebuts
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...eswparticlekurtzrebuts
 
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absolutely not, but I didn't try to dismiss it the way you used hypocricy to dismiss the case agsinst paid propandists. Why use one wrong to defend another?
Where am I dismissing anything concerning those who were paid?

Some of you seem a bit confused here. I am not defending a damn thing in regards to payments. I am merely bringing to light the hypocrisy of those who would slam one party and give the other pass for a similar transgression.

Instead of acknowledging that though, people would rather argue levels of degree and split hairs. How f'n ridiculous.

Then there are morons like conjur in this thread who are adding nothing but smarm. No surprise there though.

The outright bias displayed in this forum is disgusting.

You turn every thread into accusations of left wing hypocracy. The left is no different from the right. If you have a problem with left wing hypocracy and radicals then why do you spew the same junk?

And yes, you "dismiss" the case against paid propogandists when your only response up to that point had been "The left does it to!".
I know the left is no different from the right. The right seems to understand that fact. So many in the left just don't seem to get it though. Until it finally sinks in, I will continue with my agenda.

I also asked a question in my post previous to this concerning the accusations that what Bush (actually the DoE) did was illegal. Care to comment about that?

The right has no clue either. You're blind by bias if you can't see that. CAD has done nothing but whine in the last thread I saw him about how biased the left is and they do nothing but attack him while he does nothing more than ask honest questions to contribute to the debate. He's as full of bull as any of the leftist here but is completely blind to that fact.
Well that's a completely different issue. CAD and some of the other right-wingers in here have asked some good questions and made some good points. Instead of answering them though, the folks that outnumber them would rather ridicule them instead in a massive dog-pile of a move. They seem to beleive that simply overwhelming numbers make them right and anything they say, no matter how wrong, is right if enough people wrongly join in with their belief. It's ironic that it's one of the very same things the lefties complain about concerning Bush supporters, yet they do it themselves. That's why I've become a snarling attack dog myself on occassion. It part of that whole mirror thing. They don't seem to notice their reflection though. Maybe I should go recruit some folks from a few conservative forums that I'm familiar with and change the balance in this forum and let them see the other side? Maybe then the left would have a bit more cmopassion in here for those they constantly pooh-pooh.

For example, anyone who is aganist gay marriage is instantly pegged as a homophobe. That's jusdt hyperbole in action. Why can't some of the liberals accept that some people don't believe in gay marriage and leave it at that? Why do they have to resort to overstatement and false characterizations? Doing so is pure crap and a grade-school form of reasoning.

Your comments about the DoE? Wow, congratulations it took you only 5 posts to do something other than whine about leftist hypocracy and actually address the issues of the thread. As far as your most recent post about its legality... yes, I agree. Now why couldn't you have made that statement three pages ago, instead of coming out guns blazing about left wing hypocracy.
Because someone would have called me a Bush apologist anyway and this would have happened anyway. One can't even provide logic or truth in here if it defends Bush in any way witout being labelled and falsely characterized.

Well, congratulations then. You've become as bad as those you complain about.
Well duh! What kind of reflection is presented if it's not accurate?

And CAD is no different from the rest. Plenty of left wingers have made good points only to be poopood by the right wingers. CAD is an attack dog looking to make groundless attacks on the motives of those he disagrees with. But I guess the enemy of your enemy is your freind, right? So, you'll defend his actions.
Do I jump in and defend Cad in this forum as any sort of rule? Do I defend any of the right-wingers in here on any sort of regular basis? No I do not. Do the lefties in here often dogpile the righties while slapping each other on the butt constantly? Of course they do. So maybe you need to rethink that accusation?
 
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Damn, how'd you know? You spying on me again? bwhahahaha.
Anyway, I did have one more gem to comment on (before I head up to Sugarloaf for some skiing :D):
Then there are morons like conjur in this thread who are adding nothing but smarm. No surprise there though.

The outright bias displayed in this forum is disgusting.

IRONY ALERT, IRONY ALERT!!
I see.

I asked a question previously about proving what "Bush" did with Armstrong Williams was illegal. It was a promotion of an existing law, which is perfectly legal and happens all the time ("Spped Kills." "Just Say No." etc.). After I asked that question, it got very quiet in here. So, would you care to provide some input about that Dan?

And I don't need to spy on you. You've admitted it in this very forum, so it's not like it's a secret.

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

I see.

I asked a question previously about proving what Bush did with Armstrong Williams was illegal. It was a promotion of an existing law, which is perfectly legal and happens all the time (Spped Kills. Just Say No. etc.). After I asked that question, it got very quiet in here. So, would you care to provide some input about that Dan?

Happy to oblige. Thank you, DonVito for your legal expertise.



47 U.S.C. 317

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(1) All matter broadcast by any radio station for which any money, service or other valuable consideration is directly or indirectly paid, or promised to or charged or accepted by, the station so broadcasting, from any person, shall, at the time the same is so broadcast, be announced as paid for or furnished, as the case may be, by such person: Provided, That ?service or other valuable consideration? shall not include any service or property furnished without charge or at a nominal charge for use on, or in connection with, a broadcast unless it is so furnished in consideration for an identification in a broadcast of any person, product, service, trademark, or brand name beyond an identification which is reasonably related to the use of such service or property on the broadcast.
Don Vito and I have been discussing this already.

Basically, it's William's fault for non-disclosure. Has Bush done anything illegal in this though (which is my question)? So far the answer seems to be - no.

Of course, just posting a law is niot saying much Dan. Care to provide your opinion on how Bush is doing anything illegal related to this law?
 

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TLC, how about the law that was violated. You asked for proof. Any comments? I ask merely for informational purposes. :D

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Leave the light on for him. ;)

 

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Do I jump in and defend Cad in this forum as any sort of rule? Do I defend any of the right-wingers in here on any sort of regular basis? No I do not. Do the lefties in here often dogpile the righties while slapping each other on the butt constantly? Of course they do. So maybe you need to rethink that accusation?

No one said you "defended" them. But you seem to think they show a higher level of debate than the left does. Which is complete BS. The right dogpiles with the best of them. If you would like, I could easily refer you to several threads in which they do just that.

And imitation of poor behavior is quite possibly the worst idea I've ever heard here. 99% of the people here will just see your aggressiveness as validation of their own aggressive tactics. All it does is escelate the level of conflict over petty things that have little to do with the topic of debate.
 

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Here's what I've learned from TastesLikeChicken within the scope of this thread:

1.) Only the left lies, not the right. Therefore, TLC's agenda is to expose this one-sided lying-fest for what it is.

2.) Spending campaign money to get blog-writers to do favorable things for you during the course of a campaign = spending taxpayer money to buy off mainstream media columnists to push administration propoganda on an unsuspecting populace.

I'm just glad I finally know where he's coming from and he's no longer bothering to pretend. :roll:
 
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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Do I jump in and defend Cad in this forum as any sort of rule? Do I defend any of the right-wingers in here on any sort of regular basis? No I do not. Do the lefties in here often dogpile the righties while slapping each other on the butt constantly? Of course they do. So maybe you need to rethink that accusation?

No one said you "defended" them. But you seem to think they show a higher level of debate than the left does. Which is complete BS. The right dogpiles with the best of them. If you would like, I could easily refer you to several threads in which they do just that.
How does anything I said claim the right shows a higher level of debate?

And sure the right dogpiles on rare occassions. But do you want to discuss levels in degrees in this case. iow, who's the worse offender?

And imitation of poor behavior is quite possibly the worst idea I've ever heard here. 99% of the people here will just see your aggressiveness as validation of their own aggressive tactics. All it does is escelate the level of conflict over petty things that have little to do with the topic of debate.
Wouldn't you do better to dress them down as well?

Their behavior wasn't any better before I came here so I highly doubt I'm egging anything on either.
 
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Here's what I've learned from TastesLikeChicken within the scope of this thread:

1.) Only the left lies, not the right. Therefore, TLC's agenda is to expose this one-sided lying-fest for what it is.

2.) Spending campaign money to get blog-writers to do favorable things for you during the course of a campaign = spending taxpayer money to buy off mainstream media columnists to push administration propoganda on an unsuspecting populace.

I'm just glad I finally know where he's coming from and he's no longer bothering to pretend. :roll:
Wow. And the clueless one chimes in.

No surprise to see you miss the mark by a mile. No surprise whatsoever. :roll: