Why haven't you used it? You should, with your fellow Libertopians, be out there suing companies right now. Go ahead, get yourself a high-dollar attorney and fight the Koch brothers.
I double dog dare you.
Why haven't you used it? You should, with your fellow Libertopians, be out there suing companies right now. Go ahead, get yourself a high-dollar attorney and fight the Koch brothers.
I double dog dare you.
shiner
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- Jul 18, 2000
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Except for the Angel Soft TP I have all those other products in my house right now.
Nice list to have though...so I can remember to pick up their products every time I go to the store, regardless of if I need them or not.
BoberFett
Lifer
- Oct 9, 1999
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Because I haven't been personally damaged? And to the extent that I have, it's been government sanctioned.
CallMeJoe
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The only one I have is Northern toilet paper; is it appropriate to continue to wipe my arse with the Koch brothers?
I'm sure you have been personally damaged, all of the chemicals, pollutants...etc.
BoberFett
Lifer
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Really? I don't see any damages. Or is this like one of those repressed memories things that only a hypnotist can bring out.
LegendKiller, you are getting sleepy.
Very sleepy.
Now tell us about how the naughty libertarian touched your bum...
Thanks. I think we do use Quilted Northern from time to time. I'll make sure to grab a different brand.
- wolf
Lawsuits require proof of injury, direct causation from pollution---> specific injury of the plaintiff. It's very hard to prove with anything that isn't *acutely* toxic. For most conditions, i.e. cancers, there are literally hundreds of things which can cause/contribute. Very difficult to isolate a particular cause.
- wolf
Wow, even more short-sighted bullshit from a short-sited fuckwit.
Tell me, did you even answer my question from a few threads back, or did you just bail on that one when the going got tough?
Really? I don't see any damages. Or is this like one of those repressed memories things that only a hypnotist can bring out.
LegendKiller, you are getting sleepy.
Very sleepy.
Now tell us about how the naughty libertarian touched your bum...
Perhaps you should watch Erin Brockovich to see how easy that was. Sure, they did so without regulation or around regulation, but new regulations were created.
As wolf pointed out, tort cases require direct links, most of which are difficult to find.
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Phokus
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- Nov 20, 1999
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Maybe enforcement of dumping pollution on private property is doable, but no libertarian can say, with a straight face, that libertarianism solves the problem of air pollution. I remember visiting Mexico city once and there were times when children weren't allowed outside because of major air pollution. I think parts of California has this problem as well. Edit: Lets not forget China.
As I understand it, most libertarianism don't care as much about government inspections as about not wanting the government to tell them or restrict what they might want to do. Like if they want to smoke/drink poison, why not, it's their right to kill themselves if they wish by any means. And companies are entitled to do whatever they wished. If they want to put out poisonous soda, why not, the free market will just not buy them.
I think this system was how free market was initially structured when this excellent economic concept was first invented. However, over the years, many companies that produce poison laced junk surfaced and a few incidents made the buying public very nervous. E Coli laced milk, lead polluted products etc. No one wanted to be the 'tester' of products anymore. And this fear of unsafe products shook the market confidence and reduced public buying power. This lead to a slow down of economy. People wanted to get it right, get it safe the first time around. That demand on the government lead to the creation of inspection agencies for food/medicine/architectures/plumbing etc.
I think in a word, the free market system has some bugs or flaws, the inspection agencies was made to patch those imperfections of this system or rather enhance it. The theory of free market is too idealistic and practical to be implemented in its pure form. Like many excellent theory, the practical implementation always need some tweaking.
I think this system was how free market was initially structured when this excellent economic concept was first invented. However, over the years, many companies that produce poison laced junk surfaced and a few incidents made the buying public very nervous. E Coli laced milk, lead polluted products etc. No one wanted to be the 'tester' of products anymore. And this fear of unsafe products shook the market confidence and reduced public buying power. This lead to a slow down of economy. People wanted to get it right, get it safe the first time around. That demand on the government lead to the creation of inspection agencies for food/medicine/architectures/plumbing etc.
I think in a word, the free market system has some bugs or flaws, the inspection agencies was made to patch those imperfections of this system or rather enhance it. The theory of free market is too idealistic and practical to be implemented in its pure form. Like many excellent theory, the practical implementation always need some tweaking.
manimal
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- Mar 30, 2007
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Then watch Silkwood....
Read some Upton Sinclair while your at and see what the meat packing industry used to do...
BoberFett
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Zebo
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- Jul 29, 2001
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I didn't know anything about the Koch brothers until now. Thanks for bringing them to our attention Craig, I'll be sure to do my best to support their companies in my consumer choices going forward.
It's nice how people like you, the "true believers" of the Constitution, will allow the utter corruption of the Constitution by corporate interests, only as long as they are more in line with your social agenda.
It's quite pathetic to know that you really aren't an American democracy lover. You're a plutocratic oligarchy lover who really wants absolute control over everybody and the democratic process, at all costs. In other words, you're a fascist.
bamacre
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- Jul 1, 2004
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Most "libertarians" are actually corporatists. The Koch brothers don't want your freedom, they want to be kings.
bamacre
Lifer
- Jul 1, 2004
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I don't think that's true of American libertarians. I think libertarians in this country are too aligned with the Right and often end up defending corporations as if an attack on them is an attack on markets. I often have discussions with libertarians who will vehemently attack all forms of government but are quick to stand up to defend wage labor in a market dominated by monopolies or oligopolies, refusing to see any inefficiencies or externalities that exist in any market outside of government intervention.
Just look at Ayn Rand Center's website. You've got one article on the top of the page comparing GM to Apple praising the efforts of Apple as a producer (you know, the company that ends up buying its products from a company in China that takes advantage of currency manipulation and lack of human rights to produce widgets from labor who is killing itself because their death is more valuable than their life) and a video further down the page whose topic is using global Capitalism to cure world oppression and poverty. There is major cognitive dissonance, in my opinion, when you claim that Capitalism will solve all the world's problems and simultaneously defend a large MNC that exploits labor that has no freedom or civil rights.
Oh, there's an audio piece on the front page entitled "America's Persecuted Minority: Big Business." It is anti-government groups like this that give me pause with regards to the modern American libertarian. They don't want freedom, they just want to choose a different king.
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