More on florida teacher that had sex with two of his drama students

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: jandrews
I was sad to see no pictures of the 16 year old girls.

I found it.

 

[ballmode]

The women teachers get off easier than the men. Not fair.

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: ballmode
The women teachers get off easier than the men. Not fair.

If true, that really isn't fair...

:|

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: FoBoT
the law must be upheld, if you don't like the law, vote for people that will change it

I will counter that. Justice must be upheld. If the law is unjust you must not obey it while you try (against a heavily weighted and corrupted system) to get it changed. The important thing is to ALWAYS do what is right, not what is legal. No matter what.

Otherwise you must state publicly here and now that you believe people absolutely should have sent no good runaway n-words back to be raped, beaten, and killed as slaves...just because that was the law. It's one or the other.

Doesn't this lead to an issue of whose right is right? What's right for one doesn't mean it's right for another. It probably feels right for the teacher but I'd imagine it feels quite wrong for the parents of the student. I think the age of 18 was an extremely arbitrary line but it's just one of those rules where there's no perfect age to choose.

Originally posted by: alkemyst
For you I guess if you think they are the same, but it's typical for you to troll topics and have none your own.

I do agree it's against the law, but I also agree with matters of the heart so to speak there is not a fine line. I do think the laws are outdated on this and as long as parents are going to push their kids to grow up and be non-parents then this is the kind of thing that just gets pushed younger.

I would be willing to bet that the teacher's motives were not matters of the heart. Much more likely a matter of the groin.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: LoKe
Personally, I'm not sure why alcohol is even legal at all.

Because prohibition worked out so well the last time we tried it?

QFT. Read some history books, LoKe.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

I'm on the fence about this. I've met wordly 16 year olds that were very mature like that of a college student and then again I've met 19/20 year old girls that are about as smart and mature as they were in middle school.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I'm on the fence about this. I've met wordly 16 year olds that were very mature and then again I've met 19/20 year old girls that are about as smart and mature as they were in middle school.

But I've never met a worldy and mature 26 year old who went for them.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: FoBoT
the law must be upheld, if you don't like the law, vote for people that will change it

I will counter that. Justice must be upheld. If the law is unjust you must not obey it while you try (against a heavily weighted and corrupted system) to get it changed. The important thing is to ALWAYS do what is right, not what is legal. No matter what.

Otherwise you must state publicly here and now that you believe people absolutely should have sent no good runaway n-words back to be raped, beaten, and killed as slaves...just because that was the law. It's one or the other.

what are you, an anarchist?
seems like there are a lot of anarchists hanging out on the intraweb lately

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I'm on the fence about this. I've met wordly 16 year olds that were very mature and then again I've met 19/20 year old girls that are about as smart and mature as they were in middle school.

But I've never met a worldy and mature 26 year old who went for them.

I'm not condoning his choices. However, it was only 100 or so years ago a marriage between a 26 and 16 year old would have been common place.

 

[0roo0roo]

yup the concept of teenager is a recent invention.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: FoBoT
the law must be upheld, if you don't like the law, vote for people that will change it

I will counter that. Justice must be upheld. If the law is unjust you must not obey it while you try (against a heavily weighted and corrupted system) to get it changed. The important thing is to ALWAYS do what is right, not what is legal. No matter what.

Otherwise you must state publicly here and now that you believe people absolutely should have sent no good runaway n-words back to be raped, beaten, and killed as slaves...just because that was the law. It's one or the other.

Doesn't this lead to an issue of whose right is right? What's right for one doesn't mean it's right for another. It probably feels right for the teacher but I'd imagine it feels quite wrong for the parents of the student. I think the age of 18 was an extremely arbitrary line but it's just one of those rules where there's no perfect age to choose.

Originally posted by: alkemyst
For you I guess if you think they are the same, but it's typical for you to troll topics and have none your own.

I do agree it's against the law, but I also agree with matters of the heart so to speak there is not a fine line. I do think the laws are outdated on this and as long as parents are going to push their kids to grow up and be non-parents then this is the kind of thing that just gets pushed younger.

I would be willing to bet that the teacher's motives were not matters of the heart. Much more likely a matter of the groin.

I was responding to the theory that laws are somehow more important than the justice which they represent. My point was that if we serve the laws instead of the morality we risk the same situation as we had with slavery, segregation, indian removal, and so many other injustices in our history.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: FoBoT
the law must be upheld, if you don't like the law, vote for people that will change it

I will counter that. Justice must be upheld. If the law is unjust you must not obey it while you try (against a heavily weighted and corrupted system) to get it changed. The important thing is to ALWAYS do what is right, not what is legal. No matter what.

Otherwise you must state publicly here and now that you believe people absolutely should have sent no good runaway n-words back to be raped, beaten, and killed as slaves...just because that was the law. It's one or the other.

what are you, an anarchist?
seems like there are a lot of anarchists hanging out on the intraweb lately

Nope, I'm just a good enough human being to try and do what is right, not what is law, because I understand the weakness of law. This debate has raged since the first civilizations without a good answer, so I don't expect to solve it here. I merely remind people that there's as much support and reason behind supporting justice over law as there is supporting law over justice. In my opinion justice is the greater and my final challenge is why. You cannot claim law is superior to justice without admitting that you would have returned slaves to be owned, or raped and killed. I simply cannot accept that.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: LoKe

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Personally I agree, teachers that do this are retarded mind you, but still. People are naive to think that 18 is the be all end all for people. WHich leads me to the drinking age, since if the drinking age was 18 here or around there like it is in the entire rest of the world, I wouldn't of been a practical alcoholic in HS. Kids drink so much from 16-20 mostly because its illegal

Regardless of the age limit, people will do it. You change it to 18, kids from 16-XX will be drinking. You change it to 16, kids from 14-XX will be drinking. You can't win with these things. Personally, I'm not sure why alcohol is even legal at all.

Why not get rid of the drinking age altogether? It would take a change in our culture, but then, kids would grow up drinking alcohol responsibly - a glass of wine with dinner, etc., rather than being given the opportunity to finally be able to drink legally around the same time they're on their own in the world. I don't believe (but I may be wrong) that Europe shares the same problems of DWI, etc. that we have in the US.

Also, toss that teacher in prison, along with all those female teachers who have done the same thing with male students. Let anyone else considering taking advantage of their position of power realize that the consequences are real and harsh.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: FoBoT
the law must be upheld, if you don't like the law, vote for people that will change it

I will counter that. Justice must be upheld. If the law is unjust you must not obey it while you try (against a heavily weighted and corrupted system) to get it changed. The important thing is to ALWAYS do what is right, not what is legal. No matter what.

Otherwise you must state publicly here and now that you believe people absolutely should have sent no good runaway n-words back to be raped, beaten, and killed as slaves...just because that was the law. It's one or the other.

what are you, an anarchist?
seems like there are a lot of anarchists hanging out on the intraweb lately

People don't seem to know what anarchy is....it's not about bucking the laws you don't agree with, it's about total disregard for the law. That said there is also a huge reasoning behind such brush asides of the law.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
The fact that one of the girls thought they'd be together forever and she was in love with the guy, pretty much sums up her maturity level.

Dude when someone falls in love with you at any age you can comment.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Consenting doesn't mean that a 15/16 year old is mentally mature enough to make a proper decision.

A teacher who knows the law and decides to break them. I have no sympathy for him.

if you can drive you can figure out who to f*ck.

<idiot>but what is a 5 year old was driving?</idiot>

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
The fact that one of the girls thought they'd be together forever and she was in love with the guy, pretty much sums up her maturity level.

Dude when someone falls in love with you at any age you can comment.

Alright Mr. I Live in a Different Reality than Everyone Else. Keep trolling.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: glutenberg
I would be willing to bet that the teacher's motives were not matters of the heart. Much more likely a matter of the groin.

While I don't think the guy was planning on marrying them, I don't think he was just the hit it and quit it type either. He built up relationships with both these girls.

Unfortunately many don't understand people having multiple partners nor what a healthy relationship is.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
The fact that one of the girls thought they'd be together forever and she was in love with the guy, pretty much sums up her maturity level.

Dude when someone falls in love with you at any age you can comment.

Alright Mr. I Live in a Different Reality than Everyone Else. Keep trolling.

You keep bringing up I am the troll. Unfortunately you seem to be the one that enters threads to piss on them. Perhaps starting your own topics may be good.

Based on the lack of response to someone loving you and your strange use of capitalization above; I think you are grasping at straws now.

Back on topic....

Outside america age of consent is much lower in places...in some countries in recent times it has been risen...I have no idea really why as it didn't change what went on it's just finding alot of kids with sexual predator sentences esp in states where the parents can press charges regardless of the minor's stance.

Since we have total idiots bringing up 5 year olds, this may be a tough topic here. However I think today's 15-16 year old know what sex is and regularly have it. At least 20 years ago we were. I think those that get all confused in this are those that were not part of the social circle in high school and/or possibly late bloomers. They figure if they couldn't get laid until their late teens/20's no one else should or they figure they emotions they went through at that time were too much for a 'kid' to handle.

Now in Florida the age of consent basically states anyone 24 to 16 is free to do what the want with each other. Teacher aside I would have a hard time putting anything on this guy. Being that other student's clued him in to his pending arrest, I would say they trusted him.

Again personally I think even 18-21 year olds are too young for me...even when I was that age.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
The fact that one of the girls thought they'd be together forever and she was in love with the guy, pretty much sums up her maturity level.

Dude when someone falls in love with you at any age you can comment.

Alright Mr. I Live in a Different Reality than Everyone Else. Keep trolling.

You keep bringing up I am the troll. Unfortunately you seem to be the one that enters threads to piss on them. Perhaps starting your own topics may be good.

Based on the lack of response to someone loving you and your strange use of capitalization above; I think you are grasping at straws now.

Back on topic....

Outside america age of consent is much lower in places...in some countries in recent times it has been risen...I have no idea really why as it didn't change what went on it's just finding alot of kids with sexual predator sentences esp in states where the parents can press charges regardless of the minor's stance.

Since we have total idiots bringing up 5 year olds, this may be a tough topic here. However I think today's 15-16 year old know what sex is and regularly have it. At least 20 years ago we were. I think those that get all confused in this are those that were not part of the social circle in high school and/or possibly late bloomers. They figure if they couldn't get laid until their late teens/20's no one else should or they figure they emotions they went through at that time were too much for a 'kid' to handle.

Now in Florida the age of consent basically states anyone 24 to 16 is free to do what the want with each other. Teacher aside I would have a hard time putting anything on this guy. Being that other student's clued him in to his pending arrest, I would say they trusted him.

Again personally I think even 18-21 year olds are too young for me...even when I was that age.

Please tell me how I pissed on this thread or any other recent ones. You just don't like that I disagree with your view point.

Keep trolling. The comments other's have made in the UF Student Tazer thread about your trolling, backs that up.

edit - gotta love how anyone that disagrees with you, you have to insult. Too funny. Nice generalizations and assumptions. Of course, the issue you seem to forget is that he's a teacher but you'll argue around that b/c it's not pertinent. You should have come up with a different example.

Lack of a response in regards to being loved? LMAO. Why should I respond to a weak-ass personal attack? I could say the same but why it's childish. You need to grow up and realize not everyone is going to agree with your view points.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: glutenberg
I would be willing to bet that the teacher's motives were not matters of the heart. Much more likely a matter of the groin.

While I don't think the guy was planning on marrying them, I don't think he was just the hit it and quit it type either. He built up relationships with both these girls.

Unfortunately many don't understand people having multiple partners nor what a healthy relationship is.

Yes, I'm sure those two girls felt that he was justified in his actions because of his healthy pursuit of relationships. I'm guessing that these two girls found out inadvertently that the teacher was dating both of them which goes to show, he had moral doubts about his actions. Why wouldn't he be honest about dating both if he didn't think it was wrong? Like I said, it's doubtful he was in it for a relationship.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: jagec
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That's the problem. They can't drive.

lots of adults can't drive either.

 

[her209]

18+ year olds can consent to polygamy, no?

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: glutenberg
I would be willing to bet that the teacher's motives were not matters of the heart. Much more likely a matter of the groin.

While I don't think the guy was planning on marrying them, I don't think he was just the hit it and quit it type either. He built up relationships with both these girls.

Unfortunately many don't understand people having multiple partners nor what a healthy relationship is.

Yeah, having multiple partners half your age who don't know about each other and over whom you have a position of authority is the DEFINITION of healthy.

 

[alkemyst]

I stated that being their teacher was where he went wrong. However the only jealous people cry about the 1/2 age thing. In this case thought it's not applicable.

If you are dating, you really don't have to explain crap to the other partners. All they need to know is that you are just dating.

Too many think dating = engaged/marriage.