More N.K. Retorhic: N Korea threatens truce breach

[ToBeMe]

• Monday, 17 February, 2003, 22:19 GMT
  N Korea threatens truce breach
  
  
  North Korea has threatened to pull out of the armistice agreement that ended the Korean War, accusing the United States of breaking the terms of the truce.
  
  "The agreement that was signed to provide a peaceful solution to the Korean issue has been systematically ditched by the US and used for the purpose of its hostile policy towards the DPRK [North Korea]," said a Korean People's Army spokesman in a statement carried by the country's official news agency.
  
  "If the US side continues violating and misusing the armistice agreement as it pleases, there will be no need for the DPRK to remain bound to the AA [armistice agreement] uncomfortably."
  
  The two countries have been at loggerheads with each other over the last few months over North Korea's revived nuclear programme.
  
  Earlier on Monday, the United States and South Korea announced they would stage joint military exercises in South Korea next month, in a move which was thought likely to heighten tensions with the North.
  
  Although the Armistice Agreement ended the Korean War in 1953, the North and South have never signed a peace treaty.
  

They just won't give up.....................seems they'll keep at it until they illicit some military response from someone.......and it appears they want the US!:Q

More than likely though, all they want is more money and more food like in '94..............................just not sure this congress and administration will give it..................

EDIT: OOOPs...........forgot the linkage...................... It's a BBC story.................. N Korea threatens truce breach

 

[IamDavid]

I'm sure glad our great ally, and most favored nation is helping us out so much. Thanks China.

 

[SuperTool]

Linkified

 

[ToBeMe]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Linkified

You mean it wasn't???:Q

 

[wfbberzerker]

and of course... the u.s. will continue to ignore the north korea problem and focus on iraq.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: ToBeMe

Originally posted by: SuperTool
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You mean it wasn't???:Q

It was. This is different

 

[ToBeMe]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: ToBeMe

Originally posted by: SuperTool
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You mean it wasn't???:Q

It was. This is different

LOL! You're right! That's a good article too.........................saw that the other day!

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
and of course... the u.s. will continue to ignore the north korea problem and focus on iraq.

What problem? They will be dealt with in time, they are simply having a temper tantrum currently because we refuse to acknowledge them. If they initiate a war then they will be DEAD. Although they have a large millitary their equipment is massively outdated, 37,000 US troops and the 600,000 south korean millitary should be able to stop them. If they choose action it's an endgame scenario for north korea. The divide will be sealed and Korea will be united again under the guidance of the south.

 

[Fencer128]

Hi,

What problem? They will be dealt with in time, they are simply having a temper tantrum currently because we refuse to acknowledge them. If they initiate a war then they will be DEAD. Although they have a large millitary their equipment is massively outdated, 37,000 US troops and the 600,000 south korean millitary should be able to stop them. If they choose action it's an endgame scenario for north korea. The divide will be sealed and Korea will be united again under the guidance of the south.

Unless they detonate a nuclear device. Not so simple then. Never is as simple as you lay out above. Nor is it as easy as you make it sound.

Its easy to be an advocate of war if your not doing the fighting, or if you think you're "technologically superior" to the enemy.

Please don't fall into the trap of oversimplifying these tremendously important issues. An apparently simple arguement is usually a good catalyst for popular support for a costly war. The last time a communist regime was tackled in a North/South conflict, the result helped nobody - least of all the inhabitants of that country.

Andy

 

[Dari]

I wonder if N. Korea remembers that this was a war between them and the United Nations.? Hell, the U.N. might not want to remember that? They'll probably be too scared and ask us to take care of the problem. Bastards.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Dari
I wonder if N. Korea remembers that this was a war between them and the United Nations.? Hell, the U.N. might not want to remember that? They'll probably be too scared and ask us to take care of the problem. Bastards.

I am sure the UN will want to send in inspectors for the next 12 years....

 

[BaDaBooM]

Originally posted by: Fencer128
Hi,

What problem? They will be dealt with in time, they are simply having a temper tantrum currently because we refuse to acknowledge them. If they initiate a war then they will be DEAD. Although they have a large millitary their equipment is massively outdated, 37,000 US troops and the 600,000 south korean millitary should be able to stop them. If they choose action it's an endgame scenario for north korea. The divide will be sealed and Korea will be united again under the guidance of the south.

Unless they detonate a nuclear device. Not so simple then. Never is as simple as you lay out above. Nor is it as easy as you make it sound.

Its easy to be an advocate of war if your not doing the fighting, or if you think you're "technologically superior" to the enemy.

Please don't fall into the trap of oversimplifying these tremendously important issues. An apparently simple arguement is usually a good catalyst for popular support for a costly war. The last time a communist regime was tackled in a North/South conflict, the result helped nobody - least of all the inhabitants of that country.

Andy

Andy's right, I know someone who was stationed over there. Sorry to break it to you, but the North is far more heavily armed in that area. They have more pointing at the South than both South and US have pointing at the North. He was one of the 37,000 troops over there and he was told that they were only there to slow NK down. The expected lifespan of a US soldier stationed from Seol to the border during a NK attack is 30 minutes. Also I don't get why they are acting like they just found out that they have nukes. He was one of the ones trained to handle the nuclear rounds and they told him that the reason they had nukes in SK is because NK had them too. And that was back in the 80's! :Q

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Dari
I wonder if N. Korea remembers that this was a war between them and the United Nations.? Hell, the U.N. might not want to remember that? They'll probably be too scared and ask us to take care of the problem. Bastards.

nah, it was a war between the US and china!

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Dari
I wonder if N. Korea remembers that this was a war between them and the United Nations.? Hell, the U.N. might not want to remember that? They'll probably be too scared and ask us to take care of the problem. Bastards.

nah, it was a war between the US and china!

can you prove that? links?


On another note, I think NK thought they could blackmail the world by all these threats, but it didn't work. Well, it almost did when the south koreans quickly capitulated. But Bush stood his ground and everyone else followed suit. However, I think NK still has a few more cards in its hand before they run out of blackmailing options.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: Fencer128
Hi,

What problem? They will be dealt with in time, they are simply having a temper tantrum currently because we refuse to acknowledge them. If they initiate a war then they will be DEAD. Although they have a large millitary their equipment is massively outdated, 37,000 US troops and the 600,000 south korean millitary should be able to stop them. If they choose action it's an endgame scenario for north korea. The divide will be sealed and Korea will be united again under the guidance of the south.

Unless they detonate a nuclear device. Not so simple then. Never is as simple as you lay out above. Nor is it as easy as you make it sound.

Its easy to be an advocate of war if your not doing the fighting, or if you think you're "technologically superior" to the enemy.

Please don't fall into the trap of oversimplifying these tremendously important issues. An apparently simple arguement is usually a good catalyst for popular support for a costly war. The last time a communist regime was tackled in a North/South conflict, the result helped nobody - least of all the inhabitants of that country.

Andy

Don't be a fool. I wasn't advocateing war, nor was I saying the fighting would be easy nor did I say there wouldn't be tremendous cost to south korea. I simply stated a political fact, if NK starts a war again it's an end game scenario for them, china won't protect them this time around. They will not win, their leaders will be captured or killed and Korea will be united again under a capitalistic democracy.

 

[sean2002]

I'm sure we have a couple of minuteman III's pointed there way just waiting for them to launch an attack, we could level there whole counrty in a matter of minutes if we so choose to. Not to mention a couple of nuclear capable sub not that far away either. they may have a million man army, but what good is it if they run out of gas duing a battle becuase we cut them off from the rest of the world

 

[Dari]

I think the best weapon against these attention-whores is to not pay attention to them.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Dari
I think the best weapon against these attention-whores is to not pay attention to them.

A tactic that seems to be very effective at the moment. NK is going to have a heart attack jumping up and down for attention.

 

[Fencer128]

No need to call me names. I was just commenting on the way your post was presented. Its almost as if it said (and I'm not paraphrasing here - just reinterpreting):

Don't worry about N. Korea. If they start a war they'll be whitewashed and we'll win because we have a technologically advanced army.

I called it simplistic because you forgot to mention the 100,000's -1,000,000's of people that will probably die whilst this occurs.

Then you say:

The divide will be sealed and Korea will be united again under the guidance of the south.

That is a big assumption. As is:

They will not win, their leaders will be captured or killed and Korea will be united again under a capitalistic democracy.

And what "win" means is determined by who you are. If you're high up in the N. Korean military Junta, then after the war starts "winning" could just mean escaping somewhere neutral and making sure lots of U.N./U.S. forces die in the process.

I'd prefer to give the N. Koreans a little more "miltary respect" (especially when there's so many of them!)

I don't want to get personal - I just don't like it when military options are put across as straight forward, almost like "by the numbers."

Andy

 

[KenGr]

Does this remind anyone else of Monty Python and the Holy Grail - the knight who wanted to fight with his arms and legs cut off?

 

[Fencer128]

??? Sorry - I must be thick today because I don't get it.

EDIT: Ahhhh. Now I do, so the N. Koreans are the knight - (or the dog with no teeth maybe?) - Excepting of course the millions strong army and the nuclear devices they own.

Andy

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: Fencer128
Hi,

What problem? They will be dealt with in time, they are simply having a temper tantrum currently because we refuse to acknowledge them. If they initiate a war then they will be DEAD. Although they have a large millitary their equipment is massively outdated, 37,000 US troops and the 600,000 south korean millitary should be able to stop them. If they choose action it's an endgame scenario for north korea. The divide will be sealed and Korea will be united again under the guidance of the south.

Unless they detonate a nuclear device. Not so simple then. Never is as simple as you lay out above. Nor is it as easy as you make it sound.

Its easy to be an advocate of war if your not doing the fighting, or if you think you're "technologically superior" to the enemy.

Please don't fall into the trap of oversimplifying these tremendously important issues. An apparently simple arguement is usually a good catalyst for popular support for a costly war. The last time a communist regime was tackled in a North/South conflict, the result helped nobody - least of all the inhabitants of that country.

Andy

This is foolish. You've just boiled down reasons to show concern into the most simplistic of scare tactics. If NK were to launch a nuke then the response becomes the simplest of all: complete destruction of their government and military. Even barring the ridiculous proposition of NK launching a nuke, if NK were to engage in open hostilities China would be forced to squash them immediately or if that option is not palatable, choose from amongst its interests and allow the US to seek a military solution. In both cases, NK is on the short end of the stick.

 

[Commish]

Earlier on Monday, the United States and South Korea announced they would stage joint military exercises in South Korea next month, in a move which was thought likely to heighten tensions with the North.


They have been doing this every spring for years, it's called "Team Spirit". I've been involved in two of them. They say that it will "heighten tensions" every year too. They're just talking out of their a**es.

 

[Fencer128]

Hi,

I'm not saying that their scare tactics aren't foolish and that we should be overly concerned with them. I'm saying that the simplistic arguement that says (I can't believe I again have to reiterate what was written just above here):

What problem? They will be dealt with in time, they are simply having a temper tantrum currently because we refuse to acknowledge them. If they initiate a war then they will be DEAD. Although they have a large millitary their equipment is massively outdated, 37,000 US troops and the 600,000 south korean millitary should be able to stop them. If they choose action it's an endgame scenario for north korea. The divide will be sealed and Korea will be united again under the guidance of the south.

Is not a good blueprint as to what will actually happen. And if people read this and think:

"Yeah, if N. Korea steps out of line we/whoever will just squash them because we're so advanced and they're not"

it won't be as simple as is stated above, in fact, it will probably be extremely bloody for all concerned (and in the case of the N. Koreans, not just the military). Nor will it necessarily end as is described.

I understand that they are sabre rattling and attention seeking, but to dismiss that with "well we can deal with them anytime - no problem" is NOT a very safe/sensible opinion to have.

Andy

 

[spaceman]

Originally posted by: Fencer128
Hi,

I'm not saying that their scare tactics aren't foolish and that we should be overly concerned with them. I'm saying that the simplistic arguement that says (I can't believe I again have to reiterate what was written just above here):

What problem? They will be dealt with in time, they are simply having a temper tantrum currently because we refuse to acknowledge them. If they initiate a war then they will be DEAD. Although they have a large millitary their equipment is massively outdated, 37,000 US troops and the 600,000 south korean millitary should be able to stop them. If they choose action it's an endgame scenario for north korea. The divide will be sealed and Korea will be united again under the guidance of the south.

Is not a good blueprint as to what will actually happen. And if people read this and think:

"Yeah, if N. Korea steps out of line we/whoever will just squash them because we're so advanced and they're not"

it won't be as simple as is stated above, in fact, it will probably be extremely bloody for all concerned (and in the case of the N. Koreans, not just the military). Nor will it necessarily end as is described.

I understand that they are sabre rattling and attention seeking, but to dismiss that with "well we can deal with them anytime - no problem" is NOT a very safe/sensible opinion to have.

Andy

what is this country supposed to do?
give them money/aid for being assclowns?
attack them?