More Liberal Tripe: John Hopkins "researchers" find that spanking children below age of 2 leads to behavioral problems
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I agree. Good parents don't need to spank their children, at any age. Those who think the bible justifies it need to look up the literal translation of the "spare the rod" verse.
actually, the ABC may have misrepresented the findings...
it's not entirely clear to me that the article proves that spanking causes behavioral problems later.
it may well prove that children who were spanked "alot" when younger have more behavioral problems when older, but the behavioral problems may have existed when they were younger..causing the increase in spanking..
causality has not been proven (and i doubt that it could be proven with the limited description of the study provided).
what came first? the spanking caused the behavioral problems? Or did behavior problems result in more spanking??
the Hopkins folks are know for being very rigourous scientists (at least the one's i've known). i suspect the ABC news people did some creative editing on the quotes, and are not tellings us what the study really showed. i bet the was a disclaimer in the article about causality, and some sort of stement that "further studies" are needed to explore the causality issue.
it's not entirely clear to me that the article proves that spanking causes behavioral problems later.
it may well prove that children who were spanked "alot" when younger have more behavioral problems when older, but the behavioral problems may have existed when they were younger..causing the increase in spanking..
causality has not been proven (and i doubt that it could be proven with the limited description of the study provided).
what came first? the spanking caused the behavioral problems? Or did behavior problems result in more spanking??
the Hopkins folks are know for being very rigourous scientists (at least the one's i've known). i suspect the ABC news people did some creative editing on the quotes, and are not tellings us what the study really showed. i bet the was a disclaimer in the article about causality, and some sort of stement that "further studies" are needed to explore the causality issue.
Yeah, because I'll be damned if "science" and "facts" can tell me anything.
All those studies are bull, like the ones that say smoking and red meat cause cancer!
Spanking kids under the age of 2 I can actually believe might be bad...that's pretty young, even if they understand why they're being punished they may feel betrayed or hated.
Spanking is really only a viable punishment in a narrow range of ages.
And remember, "The children who were spanked recieved an average of 3.4 spankings the previous week" :Q
3.4 spankings a WEEK is awfully much for a kid less than two.
There is nothing wrong with spanking your kids for major infractions, but if you have to spank them more than a few times a YEAR something is seriously wrong.
Spanking is really only a viable punishment in a narrow range of ages.
And remember, "The children who were spanked recieved an average of 3.4 spankings the previous week" :Q
3.4 spankings a WEEK is awfully much for a kid less than two.
There is nothing wrong with spanking your kids for major infractions, but if you have to spank them more than a few times a YEAR something is seriously wrong.
Maybe so, but HS is right. The article is a little light on substance.
Long term behavioral effects are very difficult to document.
Long term behavioral effects are very difficult to document.
This title should be changed to:
John Hopkins "researchers" find that spanking children below age of 2 may lead to behavioral problems.
No single behavioral study is proven fact. Even the researchers themselves would more than likely say it is not fact. That isn't to say that it shouldn't be discussed, or doesn't have value, but rather that it is one piece of evidence to consider about the proposed question.
John Hopkins "researchers" find that spanking children below age of 2 may lead to behavioral problems.
No single behavioral study is proven fact. Even the researchers themselves would more than likely say it is not fact. That isn't to say that it shouldn't be discussed, or doesn't have value, but rather that it is one piece of evidence to consider about the proposed question.
From page 1 written by the reporter:
But researchers from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health have discovered that children who are spanked before the age of 2 are more likely to have behavioral problems years later when they enter grade school.
From page 2 quoted from the co-author:
"Parents need to understand nothing in this study indicates spanking is bad for their child, or that spanking per se is a causal factor for behavioral problems later," advises Slade.
I'm confused.
But researchers from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health have discovered that children who are spanked before the age of 2 are more likely to have behavioral problems years later when they enter grade school.
From page 2 quoted from the co-author:
"Parents need to understand nothing in this study indicates spanking is bad for their child, or that spanking per se is a causal factor for behavioral problems later," advises Slade.
I'm confused.
Coorelation does not prove causation. Children who are spanked before age two often exhibit behavioral problems later in life. There is not enough evidence to prove the spanking is the direct cause.
It's nearly impossible to conduction double blind studys to isolate behavior. Unless you keep the kids in a lab setting, any number of outside factors can assist in the behavior development.
omg, I'm going to agree with Moonbeam......hell freeze is officially over...
THIS ISN'T A LIBERAL/CONSERVATIVE ISSUE
I'm so sick and tired of extremists on either side trying to make every discussion an issue with the left or the right. Sean Hannity isn't your god, please stop trying to act like him.
There are liberals who spank their kids, there are conservatives who do so as well. The same can be said for those who don't spank their kids.
End of discussion.
THIS ISN'T A LIBERAL/CONSERVATIVE ISSUE
I'm so sick and tired of extremists on either side trying to make every discussion an issue with the left or the right. Sean Hannity isn't your god, please stop trying to act like him.
There are liberals who spank their kids, there are conservatives who do so as well. The same can be said for those who don't spank their kids.
End of discussion.
Study or not you have to be one pisspoor parent to have to resort to violence in order to raise a child.
My dad is so left that he's close to being socialist, and he would belt my ass when I was a kid.
I'm a parent and recommend against spanking children at that age, and only extremely sparingly at any age.
Parenting requires skills and cunning, not frequent beatings.
Parenting requires skills and cunning, not frequent beatings.
Originally posted by: arsbanned
I'm a parent and recommend against spanking children at that age, and only extremely sparingly at any age.
Parenting requires skills and cunning, not frequent beatings.
i agree. if these children are getting spanked on avg. 3.4 times a week before they are 2 the parents have a problem and the children already have the deck stacked against them. im sure most instances come from stressed out parents due to income, strained marriages, etc., but thats no excuse. some parents are just evil and stupid.
i could count on both hands the amount of times ive spanked my 2 children. its all in the timing. they are wonderfully behaved and its been a loooong time since theyve had a good one.
My dad was conservative, and he never spanked me.
Therefore, liberals are the only ones beating their kids?
Why? They have no god, therefore they teach their children there is no god. The kids act out because they have no morals. The parents have no morals or way to make the kids behave, so they beat them.
There's my own little study
About as accurate as Moonbeams...So are you still beating your kids?Originally posted by: alchemize
My dad was conservative, and he never spanked me.
Therefore, liberals are the only ones beating their kids?
Why? They have no god, therefore they teach their children there is no god. The kids act out because they have no morals. The parents have no morals or way to make the kids behave, so they beat them.
There's my own little study
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
So are you still beating your kids?Originally posted by: alchemize
My dad was conservative, and he never spanked me.
Therefore, liberals are the only ones beating their kids?
Why? They have no god, therefore they teach their children there is no god. The kids act out because they have no morals. The parents have no morals or way to make the kids behave, so they beat them.
There's my own little study
Duh, DM, didn't you read? Only liberals beat their kids, as evidenced by my thorough scientific study. Or are you saying I'm a liberal? I'm flattered!
If you look closely you will find that you beat your kids when they remind you of yourself when you were killed. We must not allow them to make us remember. This disease is universal and planet wide. We have been mentally ill since we learned to put each other down with the invention of language.
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