More IQ hacks from nvidia ?Farcry..

[Acanthus]

Ones running mixed mode and the other isnt? are you guys retarded or just havent read the boards in the last 5 months?

 

[Pete]

Lot of defensive posts in here. Brent's pics look pretty clear, so what's the problem with agreeing that, at the same in-game settings, ATi looks better? Whether it's nV's or Crytek's fault, nV owners are being given faster performance at lower IQ.

Can we at least agree that an in-depth review like Brent's is more important than a benchmarkfest, or do some of you actually not care about the IQ difference shown in those shots? Or is everyone just skeptical of HOCP?

Edit: More pics.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: Pete
Lot of defensive posts in here. Brent's pics look pretty clear, so what's the problem with agreeing that, at the same in-game settings, ATi looks better? Can we at least agree that an in-depth review like Brent's is more important than a benchmarkfest, or do some of you actually not care about IQ? Or is everyone just skeptical of HOCP?

I'll put it this way Pete: IQ is not so much a concern to me as it is to some of you other guys. I've always had a hard time seeing the IQ problems that are so obvious to so many others. On top of that, gaming has been no more enjoyable with my 9800Pro than it was with my Gainward FX 5900. I just have not seen any cause to sit back in my supacomfy chair and say: "holy cow, IQ really is better on ATI than it is on NV!".

I just don't know what else to say... 🙁

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Pete
Lot of defensive posts in here. Brent's pics look pretty clear, so what's the problem with agreeing that, at the same in-game settings, ATi looks better? Can we at least agree that an in-depth review like Brent's is more important than a benchmarkfest, or do some of you actually not care about IQ? Or is everyone just skeptical of HOCP?

I'm not being defensive Pete, if that was directed at anyone imparticular I don't know. Just not in the habit of believing everything I see and hear. Sure, it gets me in trouble sometimes, but at least I have the satisfaction of knowing that I didn't just swallow up every word anyone says. Especially when in this case, I have the ability to do this very comparison for myself, which I plan to. And yes, ATI does look better in Far Cry and I say this not from relying on review sites, but trying it on my own comparing my Radeon 9700 against my 5900. Honestly Pete, with all the garbage flowing around these review sites and who is swayed by whom, how can anybody possibly put faith in any of them. I said this once before and I'll stick to it still. That I would much rather hear something from known trusted AT members than any review site. If you, for example, were to conduct this comparison for yourself and posted here what you found, I would be inclined to believe it.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: g3pro

Originally posted by: Blastman
This is getting old. People are talking about the big speed boost with the 5900?s in Farcry with the new
56.64 drivers and 1.1 patch, but it look more like big degrade in IQ to boost speed ~ 30% ?

link

This is just pure NV crap. Most sites aren?t going to check IQ so they?ll bench and declare the NV cards faster while the IQ stinks compared to ATI.

ooohhh, tough break. i'm with you too, bro, i would rather have very shiny water rather than moderately shiny water even though there is a performance hit. in fact, that's what i masturbate to.


hmmmmmm, shiny water. mmmm... (smack smack smack smack smack) oh yeah, shiny water. :lips:

LOL preach it, brother!

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: g3pro

Originally posted by: Blastman
This is getting old. People are talking about the big speed boost with the 5900?s in Farcry with the new
56.64 drivers and 1.1 patch, but it look more like big degrade in IQ to boost speed ~ 30% ?

link

This is just pure NV crap. Most sites aren?t going to check IQ so they?ll bench and declare the NV cards faster while the IQ stinks compared to ATI.

ooohhh, tough break. i'm with you too, bro, i would rather have very shiny water rather than moderately shiny water even though there is a performance hit. in fact, that's what i masturbate to.


hmmmmmm, shiny water. mmmm... (smack smack smack smack smack) oh yeah, shiny water. :lips:

LOL preach it, brother!

LMAO

 

[Megatomic]

Games I've played on my ATI Radeon 9800 Pro and a Gainward GF FX 5900:

UT2004
Freelancer
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Halo
Painkiller SP Demo

I did notice that Freelancer played smoother on the Radeon. On NV cards, when I mouse over the options in the top center of the screen the game would stutter. On the Radeon, this problem has disappeared. Plus, I can run the game at 1152x864 and turn all the Freelancer video options up and the game plays smoothly. So there is a plus for the Radeon, but the IQ is no better.

The rest of the games all played equally well on each card.

This forms the basis for my opinion. Thanks for reading. 🙂

 

[BFG10K]

There is a difference in IQ and there is a difference in benchmark results. Whether or not the Chinese website is trustworthy remains to be seen although HardOCP's and nvNews' comments do lend it some credibility. Something is definitely fishy here.

ooohhh, tough break. i'm with you too, bro, i would rather have very shiny water rather than moderately shiny water even though there is a performance hit. in fact, that's what i masturbate to.
hmmmmmm, shiny water. mmmm... (smack smack smack smack smack) oh yeah, shiny water. :lips:

Inept comments such as these do little to help your cause.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
There is a difference in IQ and there is a difference in benchmark results. Whether or not the Chinese website is trustworthy remains to be seen although HardOCP's and nvNews' comments do lend it some credibility. Something is definitely fishy here.

I think the big question on our minds is: who cares? I don't. Blame Crytek for this one if you have to flame someone over this.

 

[BFG10K]

I think the big question on our minds is: who cares?

Almost everyone but you it seems.

Why even own nVidia and not SiS? I mean it has absolutely horrendous IQ but since you don't seem to care, it's the perfect card for you.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

I think the big question on our minds is: who cares?

Almost everyone but you it seems.

Why even own nVidia and not SiS? I mean it has absolutely horrendous IQ but since you don't seem to care, it's the perfect card for you.

That's a bit extreme now isn't it?

I've now owned both a FX 5900 and a 9800 Pro. The IQ differences just aren't as great as you'd like to believe: when you are actually PLAYING a game and not looking at screenshots of someone else playing a game you don't see it much, if any at all.

 

[sodcha0s]

Blame Crytek for what? Trying to improve performance on nV products?

 

[BFG10K]

That's a bit extreme now isn't it?

No more extreme than accepting updates that visibly reduce IQ that almost everyone else can see and agrees with.

The IQ differences just aren't as great as you'd like to believe: when you are actually PLAYING a game and not looking at screenshots of someone else playing a game you don't see it much, if any at all.

That's your opinion and so I could say exactly the same for the SiS card.

Weren't you going to post some screenshots to prove us "wrong"? Or was that your other friend?

In either case I want to see all four of them.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: sodcha0s
Blame Crytek for what? Trying to improve performance on nV products?

I guess. The usual band of IQ lynch mobbers is ready to drag NV over the coals for a patch that Crytek released for the game. Talk about a misguided hostility.

 

[chsh1ca]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Where did I mention anything about language?

Ok, then. Does anyone know if the patch will work with the Far Cry Demo? I am not going to buy this game just for this test because I dont care for the game at all.

Just do it without the patch, since there are issues with the two driver revisions on the same patched version. One appeared much brighter on that skeleton than the other, for instance.

I cant imagine Far Cry running very well on a 9600XT, at least not with the goodies on.

Why not? Isn't Far Cry one of those games with lots of PS2.0/DX9 in general?

Originally posted by: Megatomic

I guess. The usual band of IQ lynch mobbers is ready to drag NV over the coals for a patch that Crytek released for the game. Talk about a misguided hostility.

Not at all, as I mentioned above, and you'd know if you looked at the screenshots one over top of the other (tabbed browsers make it loads easier), and flip from one to the other, it is dead easy to spot the differences. Even side by side you can tell there are driver issues at play, regardless of the damage a patch may have done.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

That's a bit extreme now isn't it?

No more extreme than accepting updates that visibly reduce IQ that almost everyone else can see and agrees with.

The IQ differences just aren't as great as you'd like to believe: when you are actually PLAYING a game and not looking at screenshots of someone else playing a game you don't see it much, if any at all.

That's your opinion and so I could say exactly the same for the SiS card.

Weren't you going to post some screenshots to prove us "wrong"? Or was that your other friend?

In either case I want to see all four of them.

That must have been my other friend. I don't even have the Far Cry demo or the NV card to test it on anymore. So let me ask you this BFG10K: have you owned/used/played games on an FX 5900? Or are you basing all your arguements on someone elses opinions? That's not very scientific...

 

[Megatomic]

Well, as much as fun as it is to argue with you all, I'm going to actually go play some cool video games on my very nice Radeon 9800 Pro. Have fun arguing over IQ rather than enjoying it.

 

[sodcha0s]

I guess. The usual band of IQ lynch mobbers is ready to drag NV over the coals for a patch that Crytek released for the game. Talk about a misguided hostility.

Well, nV took a gamble with their arcitecture design and lost this time, I guess that's what some people are so upset about. They should have things worked out for nV40, at least they better.

 

[BFG10K]

I don't even have the Far Cry demo or the NV card to test it on anymore.

Just a minute...weren't you just saying you didn't notice any differences in IQ before and after the patch?

So let me ask you this BFG10K: have you owned/used/played games on an FX 5900? Or are you basing all your arguements on someone elses opinions? That's not very scientific...

A more immediate concern would be your comments about you not noticing the Far Cry patch degrading IQ when in actual fact you never tried it.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
A more immediate concern would be your comments about you not noticing the Far Cry patch degrading IQ when in actual fact you never tried it.

Nope, I never said I did, you misread if you think I did say that. What I have been saying is that in the games I've played on both cards I don't see the IQ differences, at least not as dramatically as you may. I even listed the games I did play with both cards.

When reading through the "reviews" I still don't see the BFD (that's big fvcking deal for those that don't know).

And am I to guess that you have not personally experienced any in-game time on an FX 5900 BFG10K? You danced around my question before...

 

[CaiNaM]

The biggest issue is this thread did not start over concern of driver glitches. it was a slam against nvidia:

This is just pure NV crap. Most sites aren?t going to check IQ so they?ll bench and declare the NV cards faster while the IQ stinks compared to ATI.

the patch wasn't even by nvidia for Csake...

to pete: and you wonder why some sound 'defensive'?

i don't put much importance to the orignal site, however i do to the later pictures as something is definately "buggered" in those shots.. at any rate, i have some time so i'm gonna go play with it now...

 

[Pete]

The problem is quite a few sites go just by the benchmarks, and declare a "winner" even if one card is <5% faster than another. Yes, Blastman's post was somewhat hyperbolic (flamey/trollish, as they say on the WWW), but all of nV's "optimizations" since the 5800 have been reducing IQ, no? And that's mainly why people harbor a grudge against them--lower IQ. Crytek may have released the patch without nV's help, but it only seems to negatively affect nV hardware.

Some people pick up on the little details, others don't. No big deal. I view this as a 16-bit/32-bit issue--not mind-blowing, but it's there. Playing a game at 6x4@16bit won't suck all the fun out of it, just as these IQ differences won't ruin FarCry's gameplay. But they're there, and there's nothing wrong with pointing them out.

keys, if I had one of these cards, I'd probably be using it rather than quibbling over how much better/worse it was than X/Y. 😀 As it is, I'm left to quibbling ... for now. I'll probably be getting a 9700P just as everyone cracks open their shiny new X800s and 6800s. 🙂

 

[CaiNaM]

pete, the thing is, it has nothing to do with nvidia's new drivers. it's the crytek v1.1 farcry patch that has cause this issue.

i went back to the 53.03 and the results are exactly the same. i reinstalled farcry from cd just to be sure, unfortunately now farcry locks up my pc... i could put my 5900 in my other rig (still has farcry v1.0), but what's the point to go thru that hassle? the reality is my screen looks exactly like the screenies posted on hocp, regardless of which driver version.

again, the topic/title was not only flame bait, it was completely inaccurate. hte problem is people jumping in and popping off before they have all the information, and worse yet, they can't think for themselves; all they can do is simply jump on someone else's bandwagon...

it was not "wow, what's up? something is not right here, we should check this out...", but rather popping off with not only an inaccurate statement, but a condescending one as well, which pretty much suggests it was simply posted to incite others.

you're one of the most reasonable and objective people who post here pete, and i respect your opinion, but in this case i believe you're backing the wrong horse by defending the original post/poster.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Megatomic

Originally posted by: BFG10K
A more immediate concern would be your comments about you not noticing the Far Cry patch degrading IQ when in actual fact you never tried it.

Nope, I never said I did, you misread if you think I did say that. What I have been saying is that in the games I've played on both cards I don't see the IQ differences, at least not as dramatically as you may. I even listed the games I did play with both cards.

When reading through the "reviews" I still don't see the BFD (that's big fvcking deal for those that don't know).

And am I to guess that you have not personally experienced any in-game time on an FX 5900 BFG10K? You danced around my question before...

I think it's because most games have not been very PS2.0 demanding. If I understand the problem correctly then nv3x core doesn't run some DX9.0 features as fast as r3xx, so gamedeveleopers use the similar dx8.0 feature instead or simplifies the dx9 effect.

I've tried u2k4demo with a GF4, GF FX 5900 and a 9800pro, and I didn't notice any clear differences at all. Farcry is the first dx9 intensive game, and the differences are larger, but I doubt that the gameing experience will be affected much beacuase of this.

 

[Acanthus]

And i fall on deaf ears it seems.

Since you all dont like the correct answer, go back to bickering.