More info on the ALLEGED Gitmo murders (edited title)

[GarfieldtheCat]

Edited thread title to be accurate. No proof of anything, I should have used alleged from the get-go.


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More information has come out, including a supposed former guard at Gitmo that says that inmates were taken to a separate secret camp where they could be tortured.

New article

Some pertinent quotes:

On June 9th, 2006, [Aamer] was beaten for two and a half hours straight. Seven naval military police participated in his beating. Mr. Aamer stated he had refused to provide a retina scan and fingerprints. He reported to me that he was strapped to a chair, fully restrained at the head, arms and legs. The MPs inflicted so much pain, Mr. Aamer said he thought he was going to die. The MPs pressed on pressure points all over his body: his temples, just under his jawline, in the hollow beneath his ears. They choked him. They bent his nose repeatedly so hard to the side he thought it would break. They pinched his thighs and feet constantly. They gouged his eyes. They held his eyes open and shined a mag-lite in them for minutes on end, generating intense heat. They bent his fingers until he screamed. When he screamed, they cut off his airway, then put a mask on him so he could not cry out.

Sounds like clear cut torture to me, and it happened in 2006, 5 years after 9/11. No ticking time bomb here, just routine torture.

The pathologists place the time of death “at least a couple of hours” before the bodies were discovered, which would be sometime before 10:30 p.m. on June 9. Additionally, the autopsy of Al-Salami states that his hyoid bone was broken, a phenomenon usually associated with manual strangulation, not hanging.

So the autopsy showed evidence consistent with strangulation, not hanging? Hmmm....


As noted in the Salon article, 100+ people have died in US custody as the result of "interrogations". So where is the investigation? Where are the charges for 100 murders?

That's because America implemented and maintained a systematic torture regime spread throughout our worldwide, due-process-free detention system. There have been at least 100 deaths of detainees in American custody who died during or as the result of interrogation. Gen. Barry McCaffrey said: "We tortured people unmercifully. We probably murdered dozens of them during the course of that, both the armed forces and the C.I.A." Gen. Antonio Taguba said after investigating the Abu Ghraib abuses and finding they were part and parcel of official policy sanctioned at the highest levels of the U.S. Government, and not the acts of a few "rogue" agents: "there is no longer any doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes. The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account."

I guess these retired US Army generals are just "evil leftist liberals" who are lying, when they admit that we torture and kill people. So are we a nation of laws or not?

 

[SandEagle]

dead men tell no tales

 

[ProfJohn]

Sad and it should be looked into there is no excuse for this type of behavior.

 

[JSt0rm]

Sad and it should be looked into there is no excuse for this type of behavior.

what? this is what you wanted. You are safe now huh? Cheney and bush have made it so. As far as I'm concerned all of you that voted in those cronies have blood on your hands. How does it feel to be so wrong?

 

[Sinsear]

404 Sympathy for Terrorists Not Found

 

[Budmantom]

what? this is what you wanted. You are safe now huh? Cheney and bush have made it so. As far as I'm concerned all of you that voted in those cronies have blood on your hands. How does it feel to be so wrong?

If you are talking about torture don't forget that Obama supports torture.

Hope and change.... yo!

 

[Patranus]

I wonder what Daniel Pearl would say....

 

[Craig234]

404 Sympathy for Terrorists Not Found

404 Morality not found. Nor brain.

 

[Craig234]

If you are talking about torture don't forget that Obama supports torture.

Hope and change.... yo!

Actually, Obama ordered for torture to stop. Next lie?

Now, if Obama is still permitting too much, prove that point, and you might have one.

 

[Budmantom]

Actually, Obama ordered for torture to stop. Next lie?

Now, if Obama is still permitting too much, prove that point, and you might have one.

Rendition

 

[Ozoned]

Ahhh,yes, that. Extreme Rendition is still OK.

 

[Craig234]

Rendition

Evidence this is rendition foor torture, and not redition to capture and not torture?

Show me it's happening and I'll say it's wrong.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

404 Sympathy for Terrorists Not Found

404- Sinsear care about the law not found.

Sympathy doesn't have anything to do with it. You are OK with prison guards murdering inmates? That's sick, no matter who they are.

Would you complain if your local prison guards started murdering prisoners?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

I wonder what Daniel Pearl would say....

Two wrongs don't make a right?

Serisouly, do you even have a real argument to support this? Do you support the rape of convicted rapists? Allow murderers to be themselve murdered?

 

[Patranus]

Do you support the rape of convicted rapists? Allow murderers to be themselve murdered?

Most definitely.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Most definitely.

What's really cool is that we don't know who did what. Pearlman is no doubt looking down hoping that people who didn't warrant being murdered were.

Somehow I think not.

 

[Sacrilege]

Clear majorities of Americans support torture of terrorist suspects. In polls which specifically say the word "torture" of terrorist suspects (not "enhanced interrogation", not "harsh methods", etc.), a CLEAR MAJORITY of America supports torture.

What happens in Guantanamo is merely democracy in action. Actually kind of watered down democracy, because no torture occurs at Guantanamo, only "enhanced interrogation" such as water boarding (a really mundane, harmless procedure mind you).

 

[Budmantom]

Evidence this is rendition foor torture, and not redition to capture and not torture?

Show me it's happening and I'll say it's wrong.

Where do I press 1 for English?

 

[Budmantom]

Clear majorities of Americans support torture of terrorist suspects. In polls which specifically say the word "torture" of terrorist suspects (not "enhanced interrogation", not "harsh methods", etc.), a CLEAR MAJORITY of America supports torture.

What happens in Guantanamo is merely democracy in action. Actually kind of watered down democracy, because no torture occurs at Guantanamo, only "enhanced interrogation" such as water boarding (a really mundane, harmless procedure mind you).

I'm not sure what your point is, but if you are saying that Democrats aren't real Americans I'm with you

 

[JSt0rm]

Evidence this is rendition foor torture, and not redition to capture and not torture?

Show me it's happening and I'll say it's wrong.

Where do I press 1 for English?

Hey dumb fuck... Do you have proof or just more nonsense 1 liners?

I will also say it is wrong if its still happening.

 

[Sacrilege]

I'm not sure what your point is, but if you are saying that Democrats aren't real Americans I'm with you

I'm saying that for all the hubbub in the media about "torture" at Guantanamo, it's a moot point and a false controversy, because a majority of Americans support torture for terrorist suspects.

 

[Craig234]

Most definitely.

How about posters who support the wrongful violence of others like you do, being wrongfully harmed and killed by other lazy posters?, so that it happens to you?

 

[palehorse]

I think we should convict them in the court of public opinion and skip all the trials and "innocent until proven guilty" nonsense.

amiright?

 

[cliftonite]

I think we should convict them in the court of public opinion and skip all the trials and "innocent until proven guilty" nonsense.

amiright?

You are the only one who has said that so far.

 

[palehorse]

You are the only one who has said that so far.

maybe you missed the misleading title of the thread...?