More info on group that threatened South Park creators

[SandEagle]

http://thebrooklynink.com/2010/04/2...hind-virulent-islamic-website-grew-up-jewish/

“I don’t know if this is my jihad,” says Yousef Al-Khattab. “It’s my obligation to command the good and forbid the evil.” His American based website, Revolution Muslim, has become the scourge of Jewish bloggers and cyber vigilantes across the country, an odd achievement for a person born into Judaism and educated in Jewish schools, who has lived in Hassidic communities in Williamsburg and Jewish settlements in Gaza.
Born Joseph Cohen, Khattab says he converted to Islam after coming across a Muslim from the United Arab Emirates in a Jewish chat-room while in Netivot, Israel in 1998. Their to and fro on religion lasted two years, and for Khattab, the exchange confirmed previous doubts about Judaism and eventually prompted him to embrace Islam after reading an English translation of the Quran. The exchanges, he says, reaffirmed his belief that rabbis use deception to keep Jews subservient to them.




gee, i wonder why a jew would ever convert to islam? it is almost unheard of. qui bono? who benefits?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_Muslim

 

[Throckmorton]

Similar to a Catholic converting to Protestantism. Some people have a psychological need for a more conservative, restrictive, and oppressive religion.

 

[SandEagle]

Similar to a Catholic converting to Protestantism. Some people have a psychological need for a more conservative, restrictive, and oppressive religion.

or maybe he's an undercover ultraconservative with a hidden agenda? to further fuel the islamic hate? what if a muslim converted to judaism and did these reprehensible acts? clearly neither religion advocates killing innocent people. just another angle everyone should be aware of.

 

[theflyingpig]

It doesn't matter why he converted. He is still following the teachings of fools. I am constantly amazed at how these people can allow themselves to be brainwashed by fools.

 

[theflyingpig]

clearly neither religion advocates killing innocent people.

lol.

 

[Noobtastic]

neither religion advocates killing innocent people. just another angle everyone should be aware of.

really? so mohamed being a warrior who was responsible for killing thousands of people...zionist propaganda?

face it - islam is a religion of war.

jesus didn't conquer people and wipe out opposing ethnic groups.

 

[ChunkiMunki]

It doesn't matter why he converted. He is still following the teachings of fools. I am constantly amazed at how these people can allow themselves to be brainwashed by fools.

"everyone knows this"

 

[Rainsford]

really? so mohamed being a warrior who was responsible for killing thousands of people...zionist propaganda?

face it - islam is a religion of war.

jesus didn't conquer people and wipe out opposing ethnic groups.

No, but a lot of people sure have in Jesus's name. For not being a religion of war, there sure has been a lot of killing in the name of Christianity (and Judaism, for that matter).

 

[Brainonska511]

No, but a lot of people sure have in Jesus's name. For not being a religion of war, there sure has been a lot of killing in the name of Christianity (and Judaism, for that matter).

Reminds me of the Bad Religion song, American Jesus.

I don't need to be a global citizen,
'Cuz I'm blessed by nationality.
I'm member of a growing populace,
We enforce our popularity.
There are things that seem to pull us under and,
There are things that drag us down.
But there's a power and a vital presence,
It's lurking all around.

We've got the American Jesus,
See him on the interstate.
We've got the American Jesus,
He helped build the President's estate.

I feel sorry for the Earth's population,
'Cuz so few live in the U.S.A.
At least the foreigners can copy our morality,
They can visit but they cannot stay.
Only precious few can garner our prosperity,
It makes us walk with renewed confidence.
We got a place to go when we die,
And the architect resides right here.

We've got the American Jesus,
Bolstering national faith.
We've got the American Jesus,
Overwhelming millions every day.

He's the farmer's barren fields, (In God)
The force the army wields, (We trust)
Expressions on the faces of the starving millions, (Because He's one of us)
The power of the man, (Break down)
He's the fuel that drives the Klan, (Cave in)
He's the motive and the conscience of the murderer, (We can redeem your sins)
He's the preacher on T.V., (Strong heart)
The false sincerity, (Clear mind)
The form letter that's written by the big computers, (And infinitely kind)
The nuclear bombs, (You lose)
The kids with no moms, (We win)
And I'm fearful that he's inside me... (He is our champion)

We've got the American Jesus
See him on the interstate
We've got the American Jesus
Exercising his authority
We've got the American Jesus
Bolstering national faith
We've got the American Jesus
Overwhelming millions every day

One nation, under God...

 

[TruePaige]

OP is a tool.

 

[SandEagle]

OP is a tool.

why? are you telling me this information is irrelevant? let the information be known and let people make their own informed decision. moron.

 

[TruePaige]

why? are you telling me this information is irrelevant? let the information be known and let people make their own informed decision. moron.

It's been in every story. Go buy a tinfoil hat.

Fail.

 

[SandEagle]

It's been in every story. Go buy a tinfoil hat.

Fail.

really? it's been kept out of most mainstream media. i just found out about it today. poll added to see if everyone else knew about it. get the tinfoil hat out of your ass. or leave it in, i dont care.

 

[Soundmanred]

really? it's been kept out of most mainstream media. i just found out about it today. poll added to see if everyone else knew about it. get the tinfoil hat out of your ass. or leave it in, i dont care.

Sorry, he's right, nothing new (at least if you're following the story).

 

[TruePaige]

really? it's been kept out of most mainstream media. i just found out about it today. poll added to see if everyone else knew about it. get the tinfoil hat out of your ass. or leave it in, i dont care.

Sorry you are a giant asshole. Why don't you go live in a country where freedom is to be attacked if you like it so much? I'm sure the Middle East would love to add you to their douchebag collection.

If all you can do is throw personal attacks at the facts you are just as much of a tool as stated.

To repeat: Fail.

 

[Noobtastic]

No, but a lot of people sure have in Jesus's name. For not being a religion of war, there sure has been a lot of killing in the name of Christianity (and Judaism, for that matter).

uh?

tell me?

jesus was not a warrior. christianity was established independent of war.

in fact the crusades were a REACTION to islam, LOL!

not to say people have used christianity to kill others, but christianity had an enlightenment...what, 300 years ago?

Islam hasn't. which is why it still kills people.

as far as judaism goes, irrelevant.

there are more mormons than jews on this planet.

 

[Viditor]

uh?

jesus was not a warrior. christianity was established independent of war.

in fact the crusades were a REACTION to islam, LOL!

That's like saying jihad is a reaction to Christianity...makes no sense.
The fact is that the leaders of all the churches ordered their people to murder in the name of Christ.

not to say people have used christianity to kill others, but christianity had an enlightenment...what, 300 years ago?

Islam hasn't. which is why it still kills people.

Obviously you've never heard of the Army of God, Lambs of Christ, the KKK, or Ireland for that matter...
While it's true that these are terrorist fringe groups, the same is true of the terrorists who are Muslim.

BTW, Mohammed did not say that people should kill in order to remove the infidels...the real meaning of jihad is "striving in the way of Allah". The "Holy War" everyone talks about is an internal battle to remain faithful.
But in Islam as in Christianity, there are those few idiots who need to foment strife and anger in order to maintain control...

One last point...there are thousands of Muslims who fight and bleed for the US every day in the Armed Services. Please don't dishonor them by denegrating their religion!

 

[Noobtastic]

That's like saying jihad is a reaction to Christianity...makes no sense.

makes perfect sense. Do you not know anything about the crusades?

The muslims once conquered Europe, ya know.

The fact is that the leaders of all the churches ordered their people to murder in the name of Christ.

wrong.

Obviously you've never heard of the Army of God, Lambs of Christ, the KKK, or Ireland for that matter...
While it's true that these are terrorist fringe groups, the same is true of the terrorists who are Muslim.

token groups. army of god, lambs of christ, kkk, "ireland" (what?!) all irrelevant and cannot be compared to the wide-spread and institutionalized violence in the muslim world.

KKK, LOL!

that is green peace compared to the most liberal muslim movement.

BTW, Mohammed did not say that people should kill in order to remove the infidels...the real meaning of jihad is "striving in the way of Allah". The "Holy War" everyone talks about is an internal battle to remain faithful.
But in Islam as in Christianity, there are those few idiots who need to foment strife and anger in order to maintain control...

Islamist propaganda.

Mohammed was very specific about who to kill.

One last point...there are thousands of Muslims who fight and bleed for the US every day in the Armed Services. Please don't dishonor them by denegrating their religion!

thousands, really?

i can denegrate all i want - great thing about being an american.

But go to any Muslim state, and criticism is unacceptable.

Maybe that's why the Muslim world is such a cesspool.

lack of self-criticism has made them all stuck up and super anal.

 

[Throckmorton]

That's like saying jihad is a reaction to Christianity...makes no sense.
The fact is that the leaders of all the churches ordered their people to murder in the name of Christ.



Obviously you've never heard of the Army of God, Lambs of Christ, the KKK, or Ireland for that matter...
While it's true that these are terrorist fringe groups, the same is true of the terrorists who are Muslim.

BTW, Mohammed did not say that people should kill in order to remove the infidels...the real meaning of jihad is "striving in the way of Allah". The "Holy War" everyone talks about is an internal battle to remain faithful.
But in Islam as in Christianity, there are those few idiots who need to foment strife and anger in order to maintain control...

One last point...there are thousands of Muslims who fight and bleed for the US every day in the Armed Services. Please don't dishonor them by denegrating their religion!

There was an NPR article a few months about religions maturing and glossing over the violent stuff. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are all violent religions. Christianity and Judaism are mature enough that they've liberalized and glossed over the violent parts.

Jihad doesn't mean some figurative struggle. It means waging war on unbelievers.

 

[Throckmorton]

http://www.npr.mobi/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=124494788

 

[Noobtastic]

There was an NPR article a few months about religions maturing and glossing over the violent stuff. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are all violent religions. Christianity and Judaism are mature enough that they've liberalized and glossed over the violent parts.

Jihad doesn't mean some figurative struggle. It means waging war on unbelievers.

yeah...tell me all those millions of innocents the jews killed.

 

[DanDaManJC]

uh?

tell me?

jesus was not a warrior. christianity was established independent of war.

in fact the crusades were a REACTION to islam, LOL!

not to say people have used christianity to kill others, but christianity had an enlightenment...what, 300 years ago?

Islam hasn't. which is why it still kills people.

as far as judaism goes, irrelevant.

there are more mormons than jews on this planet.

I think the gripe here is that you seem to be belittling the crimes that have been committed in the name of Christianity when compared to Islamic crimes. Think any number of witch hunts, or east roman vs west roman empire --- although ill concede that was less about religion than more about pure power play.

I dont have numbers handy for judaism, but it is pretty obvious that you'd have to do some kind of per-capita comparison for the reason you mentioned.

Also, the west did have their enlightenment... but during the dark ages the muslim world was "better" than the west. Example: Algebra. Trade --- a benefit of the wars with the Muslim world was the resurgence of trade with the east... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Islam) Yeah the muslims came knocking on the west's back door with invasion forces, but to simply tag arabic imperial ambition as purely religiously motivated is simply silly. I think the reasoning goes that islam brought unity to the arab world that allowed them to organize and actually form a decent military. In short, the muslim world seems to have gone through several different ups-and-downs through the years, with this being an obvious low point in their history.

 

[William Gaatjes]

or maybe he's an undercover ultraconservative with a hidden agenda? to further fuel the islamic hate? what if a muslim converted to judaism and did these reprehensible acts? clearly neither religion advocates killing innocent people. just another angle everyone should be aware of.

I like the perspective you come up with, but what says it about you ?

 

[William Gaatjes]

uh?

tell me?

jesus was not a warrior. christianity was established independent of war.

in fact the crusades were a REACTION to islam, LOL!

not to say people have used christianity to kill others, but christianity had an enlightenment...what, 300 years ago?

Islam hasn't. which is why it still kills people.

as far as judaism goes, irrelevant.

there are more mormons than jews on this planet.

Just an example :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism
The catars where beaten and burned to death. Men, women and children.

The Catholic Church regarded the sect as dangerously heretical. Faced with the rapid spread of the movement across the Languedoc region, the Church first sought peaceful attempts at conversion, undertaken by Dominicans. These were not very successful, and after the murder on 15 January 1208 of the papal legate Pierre de Castelnau by a knight in the employ of Count Raymond of Toulouse, the Church called for a crusade, which was carried out by knights from northern France and Germany and was known as the Albigensian Crusade. The papal legate had involved himself in a dispute between the rivals Count of Baux and Count Raymond of Toulouse, and it is possible that his assassination had little to do with Catharism. The anti-Cathar Albigensian Crusade, and the inquisition which followed it, entirely eradicated the Cathars. The Albigensian Crusade had the effect of greatly weakening the semi-independent southern Principalities such as Toulouse, and ultimately bringing them under direct control of the King of France.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montségur
The famous castle.

The earliest signs of human settlement in the area date back to the stone age, around 80,000 years ago. Evidence of Roman occupation such as Roman currency and tools have also been found in and around the site. In the Middle Ages the Montsegur region was ruled by the Counts of Toulouse, the Viscounts of Carcassone and finally the Counts of Foix. In 1243–44, the Cathars (a religious sect considered heretical by the Catholic Church) were besieged at Montségur by 10,000 troops at the end of the Albigensian Crusade. In March 1244, the Cathars finally surrendered and approximately 220 were burned en masse in a bonfire at the foot of the pog when they refused to renounce their faith.

This is afcourse not very recent, but you do understand i hope, that every religion can be used to control a large group of individuals. With some of the interpretations of the islam as seen in Afghanistan for example, the only education is what the religious leaders spread out as education. Keeping the people in effect dumb and unhappy. Both are perfect feeding grounds to control a group of people by misuse of a religion to create fear and hatred. That is why the west must stay active in Afghanistan but must work together with Russia and countries like Turkey for example. Although there where economic reasons to go to Afghanistan(you have to use economic reasons or nobody will do anything) there seems to be a change of heart and mind in the people everywhere in Afghanistan the western coalition have chased the fundamental religious groups out of the area. We really do not want the burning of school books again.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism

It is suspected that the gnostic believes are older then the christian faith.

 

[Viditor]

makes perfect sense. Do you not know anything about the crusades?

The muslims once conquered Europe, ya know.

Do I know about the Crusades? Only what I learned helping my wife write her Doctoral Thesis on it...but that was a substantial amount I assure you...and your comment still makes no sense.
BTW, the Muslims (Ottomans) did not conquer Europe...they ruled a very small portion of Europe (Southern Italy and part of the Iberian Peninsula) half a Millenium earlier than the Crusades (632–732). That's when they gave us our modern alphabet.

wrong.

Not really a response...are you saying that the churches did NOT authorize the slaughter of other human beings?

token groups. army of god, lambs of christ, kkk, "ireland" (what?!) all irrelevant and cannot be compared to the wide-spread and institutionalized violence in the muslim world.

KKK, LOL!

that is green peace compared to the most liberal muslim movement.

Ummm...that's a very good indication of how you don't really understand this stuff...
The "liberal muslim movement" are the ones who denounce all the violence...it's the radical "traditionalists" that are the terrorists. They adhere strictly to 13th century Islamic law...

Islamist propaganda.

Mohammed was very specific about who to kill.

Redneck propaganda...please site for me where you think he said that.

thousands, really?

i can denegrate all i want - great thing about being an american.

Really...

So I guess you mean it's OK to taunt and make fun of the guy that is laying his life on the line to protect you and your family? I don't know what "america" you come from, but the one I was raised in considered that to be less than human...but if you think that's "great", I guess nothing anyone says is going to get through to you anyway.