more headaches at college...

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: dpm

Originally posted by: tmarshallt
Didn't you guys know that AMD packages all their retail processors with Arctic Silver? Sheeez! Oh, wait, no they don't. "i take off his HSF, and no thermal paste" .

True, but they do package them with a thermal pad. If the cpu had nothing at all on it, then its in trouble.

usually yes, but like everyone has been saying and nick cant seem to get through his head, the functionality of a heatsink remains the same with or without paste, it is just helped along when the paste is present. nick, you are wrong to say that it broke soley because it had no paste. if it was seated properly, there is almost no possibility of it being damaged and actually forming a physical bubble in the processor. you just need to accept the fact that, by all the details given to us by you, he or whoever installed it simply didnt do it correctly. who even cares though...just fix it.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: dpm

Originally posted by: tmarshallt
Didn't you guys know that AMD packages all their retail processors with Arctic Silver? Sheeez! Oh, wait, no they don't. "i take off his HSF, and no thermal paste" .

True, but they do package them with a thermal pad. If the cpu had nothing at all on it, then its in trouble.

usually yes, but like everyone has been saying and nick cant seem to get through his head, the functionality of a heatsink remains the same with or without paste, it is just helped along when the paste is present. nick, you are wrong to say that it broke soley because it had no paste. if it was seated properly, there is almost no possibility of it being damaged and actually forming a physical bubble in the processor. you just need to accept the fact that, by all the details given to us by you, he or whoever installed it simply didnt do it correctly. who even cares though...just fix it.

it was seated properly. i turned on his computer and i felt the side of the heatsink for the heck of it and it was FLAMING HOT. the cpu had formed a bubble next to the die, and 2 of the 4 little rubber pads were deformed and mishaped, im assuming from heat. now if your trying to tell me that the CPU didnt fry do to no thermal paste, i am having a hard time believing that.

 

[MrDudeMan]

hmm ok well you could be in the slim percentage of unlucky people seriously though...it just doesnt usually happen like that. dunno what to tell you man...

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: busmaster11
Thermal paste is important, but if you got a amd chip seated properly with full contact of the core to the hs then it shouldn't make such a difference... paste will sometimes save your butt when it doesn't make good contact though.

I still don't like the flip chip design....

 

[txxxx]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: yipperzz

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: FishTankX
It's unlikely that the CPU was burned up as the result of no thermal paste.

Thermal paste can at most make a difference of about 10-15C. So an AthlonXP 3200+ with thermal paste should theoretically run hotter than an 1800+ without.

I'd look for other areas of the system. Espically if you don't find any burn smells on his CPU.

EHHHH!! YOU LOSE

i put in an old athlon t-bird and system boots fine(with thermal paste of course) his 2500 had a nice bubble next to the core.

lack of thermal paste does not mean you'll melt your cpu. the heatsink does most of the work. it'll be hot w/o the paste, but it shouldn't melt. he probably didn't seat his heatsink properly the first time.

it was seated properly

Still shouldnt have been damaged thou...

 

[txxxx]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: dpm

Originally posted by: tmarshallt
Didn't you guys know that AMD packages all their retail processors with Arctic Silver? Sheeez! Oh, wait, no they don't. "i take off his HSF, and no thermal paste" .

True, but they do package them with a thermal pad. If the cpu had nothing at all on it, then its in trouble.

usually yes, but like everyone has been saying and nick cant seem to get through his head, the functionality of a heatsink remains the same with or without paste, it is just helped along when the paste is present. nick, you are wrong to say that it broke soley because it had no paste. if it was seated properly, there is almost no possibility of it being damaged and actually forming a physical bubble in the processor. you just need to accept the fact that, by all the details given to us by you, he or whoever installed it simply didnt do it correctly. who even cares though...just fix it.

it was seated properly. i turned on his computer and i felt the side of the heatsink for the heck of it and it was FLAMING HOT. the cpu had formed a bubble next to the die, and 2 of the 4 little rubber pads were deformed and mishaped, im assuming from heat. now if your trying to tell me that the CPU didnt fry do to no thermal paste, i am having a hard time believing that.

Who let you in college

... Most likely due to NOT seating properly therefore no/little contact to heatsink, NOT heatsink with no compound.

Please think.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: txxxx

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: dpm

Originally posted by: tmarshallt
Didn't you guys know that AMD packages all their retail processors with Arctic Silver? Sheeez! Oh, wait, no they don't. "i take off his HSF, and no thermal paste" .

True, but they do package them with a thermal pad. If the cpu had nothing at all on it, then its in trouble.

usually yes, but like everyone has been saying and nick cant seem to get through his head, the functionality of a heatsink remains the same with or without paste, it is just helped along when the paste is present. nick, you are wrong to say that it broke soley because it had no paste. if it was seated properly, there is almost no possibility of it being damaged and actually forming a physical bubble in the processor. you just need to accept the fact that, by all the details given to us by you, he or whoever installed it simply didnt do it correctly. who even cares though...just fix it.

it was seated properly. i turned on his computer and i felt the side of the heatsink for the heck of it and it was FLAMING HOT. the cpu had formed a bubble next to the die, and 2 of the 4 little rubber pads were deformed and mishaped, im assuming from heat. now if your trying to tell me that the CPU didnt fry do to no thermal paste, i am having a hard time believing that.

Who let you in college

... Most likely due to NOT seating properly therefore no/little contact to heatsink, NOT heatsink with no compound.

Please think.

do i have to say it again? it was seated properly. dont

your eyes at me when i was there and you werent.

 

[thorin]

And here we have more headaches at AnandTech .... Beware computers require logic at times .... (But that's just the opinion of a "jackass" <smirk>

)

Thorin

 

[Macro2]

Nick,
Remember, you never know what they did to their computer before you got there. At least what they won't admit to. The important thing is to fix it.

 

[thorin]

Originally posted by: Macro2
Nick,
Remember, you never know what they did to their computer before you got there. At least what they won't admit to. The important thing is to fix it.

<grin> you can always have them fill out this form

Thorin

 

[txxxx]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: txxxx

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: dpm

Originally posted by: tmarshallt
Didn't you guys know that AMD packages all their retail processors with Arctic Silver? Sheeez! Oh, wait, no they don't. "i take off his HSF, and no thermal paste" .

True, but they do package them with a thermal pad. If the cpu had nothing at all on it, then its in trouble.

usually yes, but like everyone has been saying and nick cant seem to get through his head, the functionality of a heatsink remains the same with or without paste, it is just helped along when the paste is present. nick, you are wrong to say that it broke soley because it had no paste. if it was seated properly, there is almost no possibility of it being damaged and actually forming a physical bubble in the processor. you just need to accept the fact that, by all the details given to us by you, he or whoever installed it simply didnt do it correctly. who even cares though...just fix it.

it was seated properly. i turned on his computer and i felt the side of the heatsink for the heck of it and it was FLAMING HOT. the cpu had formed a bubble next to the die, and 2 of the 4 little rubber pads were deformed and mishaped, im assuming from heat. now if your trying to tell me that the CPU didnt fry do to no thermal paste, i am having a hard time believing that.

Who let you in college

... Most likely due to NOT seating properly therefore no/little contact to heatsink, NOT heatsink with no compound.

Please think.

do i have to say it again? it was seated properly. dont

your eyes at me when i was there and you werent.

Maybe so, but your still a dumbass for presuming no thermal compound = damaged CPU

Read the last line again , "please think"

 

[txxxx]

Originally posted by: thorin
And here we have more headaches at AnandTech .... Beware computers require logic at times .... (But that's just the opinion of a "jackass" <smirk>

)

Thorin

It really isnt that difficult to read a comptuer motherboard manual nowadays, well, you'd think that...
Seriously, a lot of these issues are due to someone thinking "i know best" and not spending 10mins reading, nevermind thinking.

 

[thorin]

Originally posted by: txxxx

Originally posted by: thorin
And here we have more headaches at AnandTech .... Beware computers require logic at times .... (But that's just the opinion of a "jackass" <smirk>

)

Thorin

It really isnt that difficult to read a comptuer motherboard manual nowadays, well, you'd think that...
Seriously, a lot of these issues are due to someone thinking "i know best" and not spending 10mins reading, nevermind thinking.

I completely agree!

Thorin

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: txxxx

Originally posted by: thorin
And here we have more headaches at AnandTech .... Beware computers require logic at times .... (But that's just the opinion of a "jackass" <smirk>

)

Thorin

It really isnt that difficult to read a comptuer motherboard manual nowadays, well, you'd think that...
Seriously, a lot of these issues are due to someone thinking "i know best" and not spending 10mins reading, nevermind thinking.

i fixed the computer...it WAS THE CPU. i put an older athlon in it and it boots just fine. whats so hard to understand? the cpu broke, and your telling me it wasnt the HSF. it was seated properly with no thermal paste. either it was a freak accident or having no thermal paste caused it to fry.

 

[FishTankX]

Not to mention that most motherboards today will shut down the computer when the CPU temp gets too high.


I actually had a fully integrated system's CPU fan come crashing down (Wasn't clipped on properly) And the 2200+ remarkably survived. And it was a thoroughbred core, without all the extra cache to help dissipate all the heat.

Now, that was bad system building on my part. But the system survived (luckily it was a completly cardless system).

Now, if an AMD system built on a Soltek NFORCE2 motherboard, can survive the heatsink violently comming off and crashing to the bottom of the case, I find it difficult that a properly seated heatsink with no thermal paste could have screwed up the CPU. That's just dumb.

Heck, I know some AMD systems that have been run without thermal paste for years (All 1800-2200+) with no detriment to the system. They ran at 60C, but they still ran.

I'd make sure the fan was spinning properly. Something might have caught in the fan during shipping and kept it from spinning. (But then the motherboard would whine at you, right? Just like it would have done in a high CPU temp situation, *RIGHT*?!)

 

[txxxx]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: txxxx

Originally posted by: thorin
And here we have more headaches at AnandTech .... Beware computers require logic at times .... (But that's just the opinion of a "jackass" <smirk>

)

Thorin

It really isnt that difficult to read a comptuer motherboard manual nowadays, well, you'd think that...
Seriously, a lot of these issues are due to someone thinking "i know best" and not spending 10mins reading, nevermind thinking.

i fixed the computer...it WAS THE CPU. i put an older athlon in it and it boots just fine. whats so hard to understand? the cpu broke, and your telling me it wasnt the HSF. it was seated properly with no thermal paste. either it was a freak accident or having no thermal paste caused it to fry.

What im trying to say to your thick college educated brain that its NOT the latter. Ive done the latter myself, and it certainly didnt burn up, as im using the CPU now

I give up, no sense in this guy.

 

[MrDudeMan]

one thing i just noticed...

i felt the side of the heatsink for the heck of it and it was FLAMING HOT

you ever think the HSF might just SUCK hardcore? hmm, by this statement, id have to say yes. so what you are saying is that TOO MUCH heat was getting to the HSF? either your CPU is one of a kind and runs WAY hotter than the rest, or the HSF was doing its job as good as it could do it and just couldnt handle the heat. well, obviously it couldnt handle the heat because if you are sure it was on there correctly and it was FLAMING HOT then your friend bought a POS HSF and deserved what he got for being a cheapskate

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
one thing i just noticed...

i felt the side of the heatsink for the heck of it and it was FLAMING HOT

you ever think the HSF might just SUCK hardcore? hmm, by this statement, id have to say yes. so what you are saying is that TOO MUCH heat was getting to the HSF? either your CPU is one of a kind and runs WAY hotter than the rest, or the HSF was doing its job as good as it could do it and just couldnt handle the heat. well, obviously it couldnt handle the heat because if you are sure it was on there correctly and it was FLAMING HOT then your friend bought a POS HSF and deserved what he got for being a cheapskate

no, HSF is a good HSF. its a dynatron from newegg for 15 bucks. ive used it before on my brothers computer with an 1800 at 2.22 ghz. works great.

is it so hard to believe that i could have burned up?

 

[nick1985]

this is getting stupid, i just try and tell you that my friend ruined a 2500 and now it turns into a flamefest about how it actually broke. none of you guys were there, im telling you, the cpu fried. and the only conclusion i can reach was that it was just copper on core, no paste. maybe it shouldnt have ruined it, but it did. the rubber pads were melted and there is a bubble next to the die. that kind of tells me it burned....the HSF is a good one too. dynatron 15 dollar model at newegg. i have experience with this before and its awesome. and it was seated properly, despite what you guys think. i was the one to take it off so i should know.

 

[thorin]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: txxxx

Originally posted by: thorin
And here we have more headaches at AnandTech .... Beware computers require logic at times .... (But that's just the opinion of a "jackass" <smirk>

)

Thorin

It really isnt that difficult to read a comptuer motherboard manual nowadays, well, you'd think that...
Seriously, a lot of these issues are due to someone thinking "i know best" and not spending 10mins reading, nevermind thinking.

i fixed the computer...it WAS THE CPU. i put an older athlon in it and it boots just fine. whats so hard to understand? the cpu broke, and your telling me it wasnt the HSF. it was seated properly with no thermal paste. either it was a freak accident or having no thermal paste caused it to fry.

Dude I know I wasn't and I'm pretty sure txxxx wasn't referring to your problem/solution ... but rather the user you're talking about and the user in the link I included earlier.

Thorin

 

[Sid59]

mmmm .. lack of understanding .. what else is new around here?

 

[beatle]

If the heatsink was "flaming hot," then it was doing its job. If a heatsink of nominal size is cool or barely warm to the touch, it's not conducting heat very well.

 

[FishTankX]

Then I sawy it was a fan failure..

 

[Sureshot324]

Originally posted by: beatle
If the heatsink was "flaming hot," then it was doing its job. If a heatsink of nominal size is cool or barely warm to the touch, it's not conducting heat very well.

Exactly
The only purpose of thermal paste is to help move heat from the cpu to the heatsink. If the heatsink is very hot, then there obviously is no problem transfering heat to the heatsink. If you're positive the heat sink is too hot (they do get pretty hot normally) the problem could be a defective cpu which generates way too much heat for some reason, or a problem with the hsf (it's not transfering heat from the heatsink to the air around it very well).

AMD cpus don't come with thermal paste, they come with thermal tape, which works fine (not quite as well as past) and is used by at least 90% of the people who buy these cpus. Even if your friend didn't even use tape, the hsf wouldn't have been so hot if cpu to hsf heat transfer was the problem.

In any case, tell your friend to rma the cpu.

 

[tmarshallt]

Maybe the fan on the TT memory cooler went bad......
WTF am I talking about?