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More good things from the Wisconsin union law changes.

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senseamp said:
Great, more law abiding Americans out of work, replaced with prison labor.

Conservatism is a gift that just keeps on giving.
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The beautiful part about this is people like PJ not realizing that they are paying not only for job elimination but paying for the room and board, feeding and healthcare of the very same people they were complaining about before they became prisoners of their state.
 
senseamp said:
Machines are cheaper due to being more efficient,
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i work construction, machines are not cheaper. Fuel and maintennce costs on top of paying the over priced bastard to run it and the mechanic to work on it.

My Vermeer LM42 broke down last week, $820 for one tiny part, Handsome hourly wage for me and the mechanic...even as we stood there and talked random shit for 2 hours....and i wont mention what it costs in diesel fuel to run per hour. But yes, their not a comparison, but machines are NOT more efficient really than paying a typical wage for someone to do much of it by hand.
 
By the way, we do this in Indiana already. Non-violent, short-term prisoners are used to clean facilities and do landscaping at the national guard base... inside of which the jail is located. Saves plenty of money, and I've never heard of any trouble.

Some idiots here think the idea is to let a convicted child rapist volunteer at a kindergarten, the way they are talking.
 
PeshakJang said:
So we just shouldn't put people in jail, right?

Or should we just lock them in a room for their term? Would that be better?

Is community service legalized slavery?
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Yeah really, I mean, ever think just maybe that some prisoners might want to, I don't know, want to get out of their cell for a while? Go outside and get some exercise? See outside the jailhouse walls for a bit? Feel the sun and the wind on their skin? Instead of sitting inside the jail and their cell all the time?

I think I probably would.
Hell, I wouldn't mind if they only took volunteers and gave them some extra privileges in jail or reduced their time a bit. What is so wrong with that?
 
For all the justified outrage against unions, it's amazing to me how many of you are silent about the fact that Walker excluded the unions of the two most expensive city services from his collective bargaining law.
 
zsdersw said:
For all the justified outrage against unions, it's amazing to me how many of you are silent about the fact that Walker excluded the unions of the two most expensive city services from his collective bargaining law.
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Because it's not about unions for Walker, it's about politics.
 
Throckmorton said:
Yes, this is just what we need, prisoners out in the street wielding landscaping tools, sharpened aluminum snow shovels, and toxic chemicals.

GREAT IDEA REPUBLICANS.


Wait, now I get it. This is the closest you assholes can come to reinstituting slavery.
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Oh, of course there aren't any guards with shotguns standing around as the inmates work. Dumbass.
 
Macamus Prime said:
The best part - the companies that utilize prison labor will still charge the existing current rates. So, when a service costs a customer $49.99, but the actual cost to the provider is something like $32.50 - they can now hire inmates for $3.25,... and STILL charge you $49.99!

Maximizin profits ma'good boy, maximizin profits!

/takes a big puff from cigar in mouth

If American capitalists are OK with selling poisonous milk and meat to the public, they will be OK with sending a convicted voilent criminal to fix your gas stove.

Awful.
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So...you think the prison would send a convict into your house as a handyman? Are you retarded?
 
Heh. We think we've got it bad when we have to compete with Chinese prison labor, so Righties now offer us the alternative of competing with domestic prison labor furnished by privatized prison corporations. And we get to pay for it, too! Win-Win!

Just think of it as the right wing version of the Welfare State. By the time they get done working over the economy to suit them, you'll gladly break the law to get thrown in jail to receive food & shelter. Life w/o parole would be good, because at least you'll know that you'll always be taken care of...
 
Jhhnn said:
Heh. We think we've got it bad when we have to compete with Chinese prison labor, so Righties now offer us the alternative of competing with domestic prison labor furnished by privatized prison corporations. And we get to pay for it, too! Win-Win!

Just think of it as the right wing version of the Welfare State. By the time they get done working over the economy to suit them, you'll gladly break the law to get thrown in jail to receive food & shelter. Life w/o parole would be good, because at least you'll know that you'll always be taken care of...
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Heh, people working by force for the public for no wage down the barrel of the gun, only getting what the government says they can have.
Don't like it or try to escape? You'll be taken out back to be shot.

Now we just need the entire population under that control (except the political elite, commissars, bureaucrats, and their friends of course). Then the system will be complete.

Sounds like a lefty dream. See USSR. You should be happy.

Isn't this fun? We can play these games all day.
 
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matt0611 said:
Heh, people working by force for the public for no wage down the barrel of the gun, only getting what the government says they can have.
Don't like it or try to escape? You'll be taken out back to be shot.

Sounds like a lefty dream. See USSR. You should be happy.

Isn't this fun? We can play these games all day.
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I don't think anyone is as happy about this as you rightwingers. You just love that cheap slave labor putting working Americans in their place.
 
System_Mechanic said:
i work construction, machines are not cheaper. Fuel and maintennce costs on top of paying the over priced bastard to run it and the mechanic to work on it.

My Vermeer LM42 broke down last week, $820 for one tiny part, Handsome hourly wage for me and the mechanic...even as we stood there and talked random shit for 2 hours....and i wont mention what it costs in diesel fuel to run per hour. But yes, their not a comparison, but machines are NOT more efficient really than paying a typical wage for someone to do much of it by hand.
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Are you serious? Basically you are saying just about every company out there has been duped by machine makers?

I am not sure about how you came up with that but when I has a project manager for a commercial roofing company not once did I say "You know what, it will be quicker, cheaper, and more efficient (or ANY of the three) for you guys to carry these roll goods on your shoulder and up the ladder to the roof instead of using a crane". Never have I looked at an 18 wheeler dropping off materials and thought offloading it by hand would be in anyway better than using the forklift. Our computerized sheet metal breaks are much quicker and insanely more accurate than the old manual ones we used to use. I am pretty sure farmers don't want to go back to manually plowing and tilling fields either. I will take my cordless drill over a manual one all day long, my self propelled lawn mower, my truck, etc....
 
matt0611 said:
Heh, people working by force for the public for no wage down the barrel of the gun, only getting what the government says they can have.
Don't like it or try to escape? You'll be taken out back to be shot.

Now we just need the entire population under that control (except the political elite, commissars, bureaucrats, and their friends of course). Then the system will be complete.

Sounds like a lefty dream. See USSR. You should be happy.

Isn't this fun? We can play these games all day.
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As I understand it, it is a completely voluntary program in which they get reduced sentences (compensation) for.
 
Darwin333 said:
Slaves typically do not have the option of refusing to work.
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Yeah I love the options these Prisoners have, either work or be locked up. Not much of an option. A non Slave could choose who he would work for, these guys fon't have that option "Boss"
 
Red Dawn said:
Yeah I love the options these Prisoners have, either work or be locked up. Not much of an option. A non Slave could choose who he would work for, these guys fon't have that option "Boss"
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Lol what do you want their choices to be?
They're in prison. You know, for being convicted of crimes? Should they just give them the option of going free?
 
Red Dawn said:
Yeah I love the options these Prisoners have, either work or be locked up. Not much of an option. A non Slave could choose who he would work for, these guys fon't have that option "Boss"
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Currently they just have the option of "or be locked up"

They are proposing to give them the option of working and being locked up for a shorter period of time.

If I was in prison, I sure as hell would like to that that option. At worst their situation has not changed one bit because they can just continue being locked up. At best they can shave some time off of their sentence.

I guess if you want to play semantics, a non-slave can choose where he wishes to live and what he wants to eat and when he goes to bed and all that stuff that freedom brings. It doesn't really have any relevance to the conversation though, just like the "choose who he could work for" point you tried to make.
 
Red Dawn said:
No I'm just stating that it's Indentured Servitude aka Slave Labor
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Whats wrong with indentured servitude?

These people were convicted of crimes, they don't have to work if they don't want to. They get some exercise, some fresh air. They get some time off their sentence for paying their debt to society. The taxpayer gets some of their money back for housing these people. Whats so wrong with that?
 
Darwin333 said:
Currently they just have the option of "or be locked up"

They are proposing to give them the option of working and being locked up for a shorter period of time.

If I was in prison, I sure as hell would like to that that option. At worst their situation has not changed one bit because they can just continue being locked up. At best they can shave some time off of their sentence.

I guess if you want to play semantics, a non-slave can choose where he wishes to live and what he wants to eat and when he goes to bed and all that stuff that freedom brings. It doesn't really have any relevance to the conversation though, just like the "choose who he could work for" point you tried to make.
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They did the crime let them do the time. Why should they get reduce time for mowing lawns? If you really want to rehabilitate them teach them stuff that will help them in the real world like IT or Accounting.
 
matt0611 said:
Whats wrong with indentured servitude?

These people were convicted of crimes, they don't have to work if they don't want to. They get some exercise, some fresh air. They get some time off their sentence for paying their debt to society. The taxpayer gets some of their money back for housing these people. Whats so wrong with that?
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Nothing as long as it doesn't cost people jobs. I'm all for letting them fight forest fires, cleaning up all spills and the aftermath of floods, tornados and other natural disasters
 
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