Great, thanks. I must admit that even though I have accounts, doing that will make me feel a little more confidant about CW.
Great, thanks. I must admit that even though I have accounts, doing that will make me feel a little more confidant about CW.
To Shawn, like I said last night in the Cyberwings chat. I believe you and ordered the AYW Lifetime + 200mb of extra space for $93. I have not been swayed in my opinion and I think it's a great purchase. As with anything and what the Good Book says..."Tomorrow is not promised." I believe you to be an honest person and will continue to do so until such time that I determine otherwise through personal experience.
While I support your detractors? right to check and report on public records it is good for the information to be out there so people can make an informed decision. The problem I do have is that they are attacking you.
It's a good thing for the facts (public records) to be out there but it's a bad thing for people to attack you and your business. Freedom of speech is a great thing if used wisely. If they don't like your business plan then state objectively why and don't attack.
My only suggestion to you is not to get in a "tit-for-tat" with your detractors here or anywhere else. Let you service speak for you.
Paul
While I support your detractors? right to check and report on public records it is good for the information to be out there so people can make an informed decision. The problem I do have is that they are attacking you.
It's a good thing for the facts (public records) to be out there but it's a bad thing for people to attack you and your business. Freedom of speech is a great thing if used wisely. If they don't like your business plan then state objectively why and don't attack.
My only suggestion to you is not to get in a "tit-for-tat" with your detractors here or anywhere else. Let you service speak for you.
Paul
He is not faking data or numbers. You simply need to try again for either the search was not working or you cannot type. Here are teh two entries I found for Cyberwing in Maine. link and link. Both are expired and are on only reserved names. I see no listing of LLC or S corp or anything like that on the page, just a reserved business name. He could be incorporated in Delaware like half the world, anyone have the ability to check there?
CEO-Shawn : We appreciate you taking the time to address concerns over the legitimacy of Cyberwings. If I owned a company I was putting as much time pormoting as you have been these last few months, I would also be defensive when people question my intentions.
However, in your response you provide no facts to back your claims. You certainly have a right to personal privacy but your corporation does not. What state are your tax filings and public records available? Where are you licensed as a corporation and what kind of corporation at that? We will do the work of educating ourselves and then becoming your strongest advocates if tangible records can be obtained more than your statement "we are not going anywhere." We want to know who "we" really is.
Ishmael
CEO-Shawn : We appreciate you taking the time to address concerns over the legitimacy of Cyberwings. If I owned a company I was putting as much time pormoting as you have been these last few months, I would also be defensive when people question my intentions.
However, in your response you provide no facts to back your claims. You certainly have a right to personal privacy but your corporation does not. What state are your tax filings and public records available? Where are you licensed as a corporation and what kind of corporation at that? We will do the work of educating ourselves and then becoming your strongest advocates if tangible records can be obtained more than your statement "we are not going anywhere." We want to know who "we" really is.
Ishmael
oh my oh my... where's everyone's manners!!! Welcome to AT Shawn!!!
I just signed up for a individual buy one get one free I5 account, I hope your company and the community grows. And I hope that I get my accounts soooooon... i wonder how long it will take.
I will do what I said I would do, post our articles of incorporation. But beyond that, my financials will stay private. Who cares how much money I have? Who cares whether it was inherited, lottery winnings, a gift, or anything else? WE ARE providing 100% of the services we sell, and that's all that matters. I think you are really just reaching for things, and it's rather pathetic.
[/quote]However, in your response you provide no facts to back your claims. You certainly have a right to personal privacy but your corporation does not. What state are your tax filings and public records available? Where are you licensed as a corporation and what kind of corporation at that? We will do the work of educating ourselves and then becoming your strongest advocates if tangible records can be obtained more than your statement "we are not going anywhere." We want to know who "we" really is.[/quote]
taoofbean,
I think you are confused. Shawn has said that he owns the corporation. It is not publically owned. You have no right to see any financial information of the company. If you would drop into your local independently owned corporation selling shoes or beer or whatever and demand their P&L, you would probably get a pretty rude response. And rightly so - it is none of your business.
taoofbean,
I think you are confused. Shawn has said that he owns the corporation. It is not publically owned. You have no right to see any financial information of the company. If you would drop into your local independently owned corporation selling shoes or beer or whatever and demand their P&L, you would probably get a pretty rude response. And rightly so - it is none of your business.
Anyone in the Cyberwings chatroom, it is telling me that the channel is full, how do I fix that/or am I out of luck?
OMG...can you say witch hunt????
I have 5 domains on Cyberwings and they work. I get email, FTP, and I did not pay much AT ALL.
I think as long as Cyberwings doesn't go "Flooz" on us, there is very little to complain about.
BTW: Welcome to AT Shawn. The natives are restless.
I have 5 domains on Cyberwings and they work. I get email, FTP, and I did not pay much AT ALL.
I think as long as Cyberwings doesn't go "Flooz" on us, there is very little to complain about.
BTW: Welcome to AT Shawn. The natives are restless.
I did my homework.
I called the Maine State Governement, there are only two records for Cyberwing in the state and both are simply reserved business name records that are both expired.
In order to be a sole proprietorship in the state of Maine you have to be filed as such with the state and there is no record under Shawn J White or Cyberwing. The extremely helpful staff then told me that it is possible in some Maine Counties to only be registered as a business in that county, and not the state. Only can you do this if you are not a corporate entity of any sort. She also stated that you need to be registered withthe state even if your business is incorporated elsewhere.
I then called the county clerk of Old Orchard Beech and she told me there are only two companies pending small business licenses in Old Orchard, both sell candles. She passed me to county records though and they have no record of Shawn J White or Cyberwings. Shawn's former Old Orchard address listed with the expired business names was his personal address.
I talked to the property owner of Shawn's former address and just inquired about the nature of the property and when Shawn moved to his new location. I assured him there was nothing ill in my intentions and that I was just following up on public records.
I do hope that the scans of your articles of incorporation are from outside of the state of Maine... I again believe your personal accounts are your own business but once you claim to be a sole proprietor corporation, you must file tax information and records with the state. Because I am not witch hunting, merely exploring public records for facts about your cliams, I will not post any of your addresses or phone numbers I obtained through the state or the public records. I am not reaching nor pathetic, just trying to understand the facts of the situation.
I am no business expert but the clerk for the state of Maine told me that any company claiming to do business in Maine must be licensed in some form, a license I could find no record of at the state and County level.
Ishmael
I called the Maine State Governement, there are only two records for Cyberwing in the state and both are simply reserved business name records that are both expired.
In order to be a sole proprietorship in the state of Maine you have to be filed as such with the state and there is no record under Shawn J White or Cyberwing. The extremely helpful staff then told me that it is possible in some Maine Counties to only be registered as a business in that county, and not the state. Only can you do this if you are not a corporate entity of any sort. She also stated that you need to be registered withthe state even if your business is incorporated elsewhere.
I then called the county clerk of Old Orchard Beech and she told me there are only two companies pending small business licenses in Old Orchard, both sell candles. She passed me to county records though and they have no record of Shawn J White or Cyberwings. Shawn's former Old Orchard address listed with the expired business names was his personal address.
I talked to the property owner of Shawn's former address and just inquired about the nature of the property and when Shawn moved to his new location. I assured him there was nothing ill in my intentions and that I was just following up on public records.
I do hope that the scans of your articles of incorporation are from outside of the state of Maine... I again believe your personal accounts are your own business but once you claim to be a sole proprietor corporation, you must file tax information and records with the state. Because I am not witch hunting, merely exploring public records for facts about your cliams, I will not post any of your addresses or phone numbers I obtained through the state or the public records. I am not reaching nor pathetic, just trying to understand the facts of the situation.
I am no business expert but the clerk for the state of Maine told me that any company claiming to do business in Maine must be licensed in some form, a license I could find no record of at the state and County level.
Ishmael
Information about me, my personal residences, personal life, my financials, etc. will be kept private at all costs. You are welcome to inquire all you like about Cyberwings, but what you are doing re: my personal name is wrong and will be handled immediately. Again, as I have mentioned earlier, I will gladly post our Articles of Incorporation, but that's as far as this discussion goes. Cyberwings sells a service, provides it, and builds a community.
OK everyone, time to back down.
If you do not trust the company, don't buy plain and simple.
I agree with his last post, leave his personnal life alone.
If you do not trust the company, don't buy plain and simple.
I agree with his last post, leave his personnal life alone.
Freejack2
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taoofbean, you have 13 posts on the forums. Maybe you're telling the truth maybe you aren't. Though, make sure you aren't lying about this. You could be opening yourself up to a slander lawsuit if not careful.
Personally I don't care. Godaddy charges $10 a month for hosting. I paid $9 for a year of hosting for 4 accounts! Even if Cyberwings were to go belly up in a month I'd still have gotten my money's worth.
Hell, I paid more to register a couple of domains last night, than I paid for the hosting.
Personally I don't care. Godaddy charges $10 a month for hosting. I paid $9 for a year of hosting for 4 accounts! Even if Cyberwings were to go belly up in a month I'd still have gotten my money's worth.
Hell, I paid more to register a couple of domains last night, than I paid for the hosting.
Look, I have not posted any personal information. I am not accusing anyone of anything. All I have done is call and check the facts. Something that should have been done long ago. Shawn simply has to reply with the correct information instead of being defensive.
Demonize me all you want for I want to believe in the promise of affordable web hosting for the masses. I am just not willing to be taken for a ride to accomplish it. Never have I asked for Shawn's personal acocunts or information, simply his business entity.
Ishmael
Demonize me all you want for I want to believe in the promise of affordable web hosting for the masses. I am just not willing to be taken for a ride to accomplish it. Never have I asked for Shawn's personal acocunts or information, simply his business entity.
Ishmael
I don't know what some of you guys are smoking, but this company is offering excellent service. I have a reseller account as well as 2 individual accounts and I can vouch and say their service is excellent, badass speeds from their servers, and almost no downtime that I have noticed. You guys really need to find somehing better to do than bash on them and do unneeded research. I reccomend them to anyone and a the few people here making them look bad should really shutup because the company is great. Shawn, don't let this thread bug you, others and I know the company is good.. just a few bad apples out there. Keep it real man.
I can't believe the LENGTHS that some of you people (taoofbean for example) will go to to try and ruin this man's reputation. It really is insane. If I were in his position, I'd become very bitter and end all these chat specials. They do nothing but increase the workload for him. But luckily, he's in his position, and he seems to want to keep going, despite all the negativity. I've been a Cyberwings customer for a long time. I own 5 small accounts, 2 big accounts for my 2 major websites and am recently the very happy winner of a nice reseller account as well. The Speeds are fast, the uptime is great, and the webhosting is dirt cheap. There have been misunderstandings, but nothing that wasn't handled quickly and fairly. I even registered my domains through the domain portion of Cyberwings. This should be proof that not only is this not a scam, its one of the better web hosts out there. Honestly, I think if the prices were higher, the opinions would be less negative. I am in no way saying I want higher prices, just proving a point.
Shawn please forgive me if I have personally attacked/offended you. Welcome to AT!
Don't mind us, we will scourage every single deal that comes along, including this one. It's completely normal May I just say, be glad that you're not DELL or Staples oh, and when you file for a business, yes, some of your personal information becomes public, depending upon how intelligent you are when you file them... if you file them!!
taoofbean you are the MAN! d00d...I just didn't know how to do all that research! Man, you're a friggin' detective!
Don't mind us, we will scourage every single deal that comes along, including this one. It's completely normal May I just say, be glad that you're not DELL or Staples
oh, and when you file for a business, yes, some of your personal information becomes public, depending upon how intelligent you are when you file them... if you file them!!taoofbean you are the MAN! d00d...I just didn't know how to do all that research! Man, you're a friggin' detective!
Common. Shawn is a great man. Why question his company. It will be going on one year old, and going strong in april, and his services are great. I stand behind him 110%, i just don't see why you guys must attack him like you do. there is no reason for it.
You guys are attacking him and his company for no reason. Shawn offers great prices, he is not a behind the curtain ceo, he interacts with his customers, he talks with them, he takes their points of views and opinions, and he will NEVER, EVER, EVER let anybody down, i'm 100% sure he won't. And he has some really awesome sales, he's the first hosting company that i've seen do that. So give the man a break. He's worked hard, why make it hard for him.
You guys are attacking him and his company for no reason. Shawn offers great prices, he is not a behind the curtain ceo, he interacts with his customers, he talks with them, he takes their points of views and opinions, and he will NEVER, EVER, EVER let anybody down, i'm 100% sure he won't. And he has some really awesome sales, he's the first hosting company that i've seen do that. So give the man a break. He's worked hard, why make it hard for him.
RossMAN
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I'll back down once Shawn answers my questions.
taoofbean - Thanks for the informative post, I have some personal and business information about Shawn White and CyberWings but I won't be sharing it with anyone. Besides like I've said before he has thousands of happy customers and if his company goes bankrupt most people will lose less than $20 which is personally ok with me.
We should probably give CyberWings the benefit of the doubt but you do have to admit that some of this simply sounds to good to be true. If I find a single shred of suspicious evidence about Shawn or his company you'd better believe that I'm going to spill the beans, all of it.
taoofbean - Thanks for the informative post, I have some personal and business information about Shawn White and CyberWings but I won't be sharing it with anyone. Besides like I've said before he has thousands of happy customers and if his company goes bankrupt most people will lose less than $20 which is personally ok with me.
We should probably give CyberWings the benefit of the doubt but you do have to admit that some of this simply sounds to good to be true. If I find a single shred of suspicious evidence about Shawn or his company you'd better believe that I'm going to spill the beans, all of it.
but what you are doing re: my personal name is wrong and will be handled immediately
handled immediately??? What, are you gonna send your mafia after him? Please, c'mon! He hasn't done a single thing wrong. If he was going to be rude he would post your personal info HERE and that STILL wouldn't be illegal! You have put yourself @ the head of a company, and now you've got to deal w/ the responsibility. That includes answering the questions that people have (not the personal crap), but actually providing answers not "defense."
handled immediately??? What, are you gonna send your mafia after him? Please, c'mon! He hasn't done a single thing wrong. If he was going to be rude he would post your personal info HERE and that STILL wouldn't be illegal! You have put yourself @ the head of a company, and now you've got to deal w/ the responsibility. That includes answering the questions that people have (not the personal crap), but actually providing answers not "defense."
Freejack2
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Keep in mind what we pay for a year of at Cyberwings is what most other places charge for a month or two. I doubt most of us will really have lost any money.
Like everyone says. If you don't feel comfortable risking your money, don't. They have a website, people here say they have working accounts. That's good enough for me.
Edit: Apparently Cyberwings has been around for almost a year...
[14:33] <FreeJack5> How long has Cyberwings been hosting accounts?
[14:34] <th3g1z> FreeJack5, 1 year on june 22nd
[14:34] <Gate0> FreeJack5, for more then a year. Cyberwings isn't going anywhere.. are you?
Sounds good to me.
Like everyone says. If you don't feel comfortable risking your money, don't. They have a website, people here say they have working accounts. That's good enough for me.
Edit: Apparently Cyberwings has been around for almost a year...
[14:33] <FreeJack5> How long has Cyberwings been hosting accounts?
[14:34] <th3g1z> FreeJack5, 1 year on june 22nd
[14:34] <Gate0> FreeJack5, for more then a year. Cyberwings isn't going anywhere.. are you?
Sounds good to me.
maybe you think you're just not being "gullible" or whatever, but there is no reason to slam cyberwings publicly. if you don't believe it's legitimate, don't do business with them. but really, children, there is no need to make libelous remarks about mr. white or about his company.
RossMAN
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Hehe I gotta agree, I found that remark humorous also. Shawn chose to bring his personal life into this but he didn't choose to have people exploit. His personal privacy should be respected. If people have dirt on Shawn they should keep it to themselves or take it elsewhere. This thread should only be a discussion about the deals CyberWings offers which has really gone off track so it should be closed IMHO but that's for the mods to decide.
Ok I'm gonna go outside and breath some fresh Portland air and then call my private investigator, JOKING!
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