LOL Shawn is probably building his 10 bedroom home in Barbados right now. This sounds very fishy.
LOL Shawn is probably building his 10 bedroom home in Barbados right now. This sounds very fishy.
ugh.. Shawn has *not* incorporated in Maine and has just reserved the name and even that has expired!! And nothing filed in Maryland either....
Not a good sign...
It seems that if he does fold, he will be personally liable, since there in not a vailidly formed Maine Corporation to shield him from liability.
Doesn't look good....Gonna stop my credit card....
http://www.informe.org/
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Reserved Name Charter Number Filing Type Status
CYBERWING COMMUNICATIONS 20020155RD RESERVED NAME (BUSINESS) EXPIRED
Filing Date Expiration Date Jurisdiction
11/15/2001 03/14/2002 MAINE
Other Names (A=Assumed ; F=Former)
NONE
Contact Name
SHAWN J. WHITE
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XXXXXXXXX, ME XXXXX Text
Not a good sign...
It seems that if he does fold, he will be personally liable, since there in not a vailidly formed Maine Corporation to shield him from liability.
Doesn't look good....Gonna stop my credit card....
http://www.informe.org/
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This record contains information from the CEC database and is accurate as of: Fri Jun 07 2002 02:10:26. Please print or save for your records.
Reserved Name Charter Number Filing Type Status
CYBERWING COMMUNICATIONS 20020155RD RESERVED NAME (BUSINESS) EXPIRED
Filing Date Expiration Date Jurisdiction
11/15/2001 03/14/2002 MAINE
Other Names (A=Assumed ; F=Former)
NONE
Contact Name
SHAWN J. WHITE
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXX, ME XXXXX Text
this right here proves something is wrong as if the company is incorporated you cannot touch him or make him pay anything unless you get it in writing (this is called a personal guarantee, basically saying that is the company goes under he promisses to personally pay you with his $$) the only other way this buisness plan would work is to launder $$ that would keep the company afloat!
Maybe. Then again he did claim he already owned like 6 houses and had $250k ready to plunk down on utilizing more of his dual OC48's that he has wired to his data center.
I admit it all sounds too good to be true. Is it? Only time will tell. My feeling is that even if it is, I didn't lose a ton of money on it, which seems to be what most people say. However if it IS true, I gain a lot by having these cheap accounts. In my opinion the possible benifits outweigh the risk exposure (in this case, the small amount of money I spent).
You should ask for a refund and cancellation if you really paid with credit card, then if that doesn't work then go the stop payment credit card route. But he uses paypal and that other one 2cit something or other, so did you pay with credit card directly or?
Paypal has a thing where as a seller you can click this refund button to refund someoen thier money back within a certain time limit, I think a few days, so if you have paid recently, I'd ask cyberwings to refund it. Its much less hassle all around if you go that route. Anyway, as long as you do it within 60 days, you are garunteed under federal law to get your money back from a credit card charge, if someone fradulently charges you. The reason why I say it would be less hassle to ask CW for a refund, is because if your credit card company can prove it wasn't fraudulent, you will end up having to pay. Anyway, there are lots of good sites about the federal laws if you have more questions.
That makes me wonder if he even file for a business license. Moreover, for those of you who said no big deal, it's only 5 bux. 5 bux is just small amount of money to me too, but I just don't like the idea of being scammed!
i have 3 sites hosted with cyberwings, and their previously insane deals came through, so i'm trusting them again, although this is a big leap of faith. i went for the reseller one lifetime. let's see how it goes.
I remember the old gen.net folks did the lifetime account thing right before they almost folded and sold out the business to another company.
Anyone do the financial's on the business? Whats the viability of a company like this? Whats the longterm chances of survival?
Sit down do some math. Obviously, if you lose, you don't lose much. But just off the top of my head, its almost sounding like one of those schemes where they are funding their current expenses with new customers until the crash point. Kinda like cyberrebates.
If you challenge what I say, please back it up with some #'s like expense to run/operate and isp, bandwidth costs, etc..
Anyone do the financial's on the business? Whats the viability of a company like this? Whats the longterm chances of survival?
Sit down do some math. Obviously, if you lose, you don't lose much. But just off the top of my head, its almost sounding like one of those schemes where they are funding their current expenses with new customers until the crash point. Kinda like cyberrebates.
If you challenge what I say, please back it up with some #'s like expense to run/operate and isp, bandwidth costs, etc..
> their irc channel is getting attacked. lovely
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> i bet it's someone from AT or Hardocp =/
This is just another form of threadcrapping - so is going over there and disrupting their forum verbally. That irc channel is just different format of a hot deals thread - don't go over there and threadcrap - everyone's a big boy/girl and no one's charged with "protecting" other people from "bad" deals.
There are zealots on both sides, each afraid of looking foolish if they're wrong and/or want to be vocal enough to claim credit if they're right. If you trust them, go over there and spend a lot of money and try to win some money/freebies; if you don't, leave 'em alone; (or if you're like me and are not sure, spend a little money and/or just lurk).
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> i bet it's someone from AT or Hardocp =/
This is just another form of threadcrapping - so is going over there and disrupting their forum verbally. That irc channel is just different format of a hot deals thread - don't go over there and threadcrap - everyone's a big boy/girl and no one's charged with "protecting" other people from "bad" deals.
There are zealots on both sides, each afraid of looking foolish if they're wrong and/or want to be vocal enough to claim credit if they're right. If you trust them, go over there and spend a lot of money and try to win some money/freebies; if you don't, leave 'em alone; (or if you're like me and are not sure, spend a little money and/or just lurk).
You got that right. The way some folks are howling, you would think this is some major scam like cyberrebates.
Let's chill out here. I am in the process of setting up several sites at cyberwings and have a grand total of around $24 at risk.
If you don't want to give it a try, that's fine. Let's just lay off with the AT cops bit.
MN
I have 1 site hosted with them now and bought another plan last night. I am very satisified with their service and am trusting that everything is legit.
However, I don't think that the attitude of "well, it's only $5 I would be losing" is really a good one to have. First, I am not saying I think this is a scam. But if it is, a scam is a scam, whether you lost $5 or $5000. Remember, if everyone invests $5 it's only $5 that is stolen from them, but multiply that by 14,000 and things add up very quickly. I too am skeptical about how this individual could pull off some of these financial feats, but if for some reason I lose my $30 investment I will be upset, just as I would be if I lost more, because of the fact that I have been scammed, not because of the money.
But let's look on the bright side and assume that everything is on the up and up until we have reason to believe otherwise.
However, I don't think that the attitude of "well, it's only $5 I would be losing" is really a good one to have. First, I am not saying I think this is a scam. But if it is, a scam is a scam, whether you lost $5 or $5000. Remember, if everyone invests $5 it's only $5 that is stolen from them, but multiply that by 14,000 and things add up very quickly. I too am skeptical about how this individual could pull off some of these financial feats, but if for some reason I lose my $30 investment I will be upset, just as I would be if I lost more, because of the fact that I have been scammed, not because of the money.
But let's look on the bright side and assume that everything is on the up and up until we have reason to believe otherwise.
This is Shawn, CEO of Cyberwings. I have been watching these threads now for days about all of the rumors about Cyberwings. The rumors that we're another company. The rumors that we are going under. The rumors that are totally baseless. Here are the facts, I'm just going to lay them right out on the table for everyone:
1. Cyberwings is not going anywhere. Despite how much some of you other hosts want us to.
2. I personally fund everything Cyberwings needs to be successful. Why is that a problem? If I've got the money in my pocket, why can't I build a community and provide an awesome service at a reasonable price? MUST I be a typical capitalist and want profit profit profit? I don't think so.
3. I have a right to privacy and my right to privacy WILL be defend legally in all ways.
4. My finances and my personal life are no one's business. Those rights will be defended as well.
5. If other people would put HALF as much energy into their OWN hosting businesses as they do into TRYING to figure out HOW we run ours, they might be more of a competitor to us right now. Why not go back to your own drawing board and try to compete with us instead of trying to knock us down which only makes you look bad?
6. Our sales will continue. Cyberwings is not going anywhere. IN fact, I need 3 more staff in July and we need about 40 more servers to fill coming this month - so hey, I think we're doing just fine.
7. I would like to THANK our loyal customer base who have defended us right from day one. Since last year we have had a group of people following our progress and we hope those loyal people, as well as our BAND of CW Volunteers will CONTINUE to support us!
Basically, that's about it. I would really like to STRESS #5 above - it's so true. We'd love some friendly hosting competition out there, why can no one do the same thing we're doing? You can, just stop worrying so much about GOUGING your customers and maybe take a bit of profit out of your business - why not run a business for the goal of building a community, providing a good service, instead of getting rich?
Just my thoughts. But please know that my rights to privacy and Cyberwings rights will be defend to every full extent.
Oh... #8: Anyone who DOES want a refund & cancellation is MORE than welcome to one, just contact me. Again, it's not about the money. You cannot bring down a COMMUNITY that *WANTS* to be a community, and our community wants to be one and we will continue to do what we do and provide what we provide at whatever prices that we want to. We may go lower, who knows... but we are not going away.
1. Cyberwings is not going anywhere. Despite how much some of you other hosts want us to.
2. I personally fund everything Cyberwings needs to be successful. Why is that a problem? If I've got the money in my pocket, why can't I build a community and provide an awesome service at a reasonable price? MUST I be a typical capitalist and want profit profit profit? I don't think so.
3. I have a right to privacy and my right to privacy WILL be defend legally in all ways.
4. My finances and my personal life are no one's business. Those rights will be defended as well.
5. If other people would put HALF as much energy into their OWN hosting businesses as they do into TRYING to figure out HOW we run ours, they might be more of a competitor to us right now. Why not go back to your own drawing board and try to compete with us instead of trying to knock us down which only makes you look bad?
6. Our sales will continue. Cyberwings is not going anywhere. IN fact, I need 3 more staff in July and we need about 40 more servers to fill coming this month - so hey, I think we're doing just fine.
7. I would like to THANK our loyal customer base who have defended us right from day one. Since last year we have had a group of people following our progress and we hope those loyal people, as well as our BAND of CW Volunteers will CONTINUE to support us!
Basically, that's about it. I would really like to STRESS #5 above - it's so true. We'd love some friendly hosting competition out there, why can no one do the same thing we're doing? You can, just stop worrying so much about GOUGING your customers and maybe take a bit of profit out of your business - why not run a business for the goal of building a community, providing a good service, instead of getting rich?
Just my thoughts. But please know that my rights to privacy and Cyberwings rights will be defend to every full extent.
Oh... #8: Anyone who DOES want a refund & cancellation is MORE than welcome to one, just contact me. Again, it's not about the money. You cannot bring down a COMMUNITY that *WANTS* to be a community, and our community wants to be one and we will continue to do what we do and provide what we provide at whatever prices that we want to. We may go lower, who knows... but we are not going away.
People, Please...let's think about this from a business and legal perspective
1. He's offering a service.
2. He's accepting money for the service through paypal and c2it (services I assume offer no protection to the buyer like a credit card?)
3. need a laywer here but can't he just say, "look, I gave them the service for as long as I could and then it went under. sorry"
What's to keep him fromdoing that and being off scotfree?
anyone?
1. He's offering a service.
2. He's accepting money for the service through paypal and c2it (services I assume offer no protection to the buyer like a credit card?)
3. need a laywer here but can't he just say, "look, I gave them the service for as long as I could and then it went under. sorry"
What's to keep him fromdoing that and being off scotfree?
anyone?
PayPal AND 2checkout.com BOTH offer EXCELLENT Buyer Protection Services. Where do you get that they do not?
This is real simple. We take money. We provide a service. Some are non billed accounts, some are billed monthly or yearly. We have a SIGNIFICANT amount of capital tied up in our business and we're not going away.
Again, we're not going anywhere....are you?
This is real simple. We take money. We provide a service. Some are non billed accounts, some are billed monthly or yearly. We have a SIGNIFICANT amount of capital tied up in our business and we're not going away.
Again, we're not going anywhere....are you?
There's your answer, if you want a refund, just contact him. His personal email is on the website if you need it.
Hello, Shawn, and welcome to the AnandTech community!
I am wondering how long you will offer this deal for? I just found out about it and am very interested in acquiring one of your packages at the ridiculously low prices you're offering. Please LMK.
Thanks,
Erik
!I am wondering how long you will offer this deal for? I just found out about it and am very interested in acquiring one of your packages at the ridiculously low prices you're offering. Please LMK
.Thanks,
Erik
My 2 cents about the paypal thing. Personally I PREFER paypal when I purchase things on ebay, or the AT forums, or stuff like that. In either case, buying or selling.
In terms of selling, if you use thier debit card, you can get 1.5% charges as a seller. If you run a serious buisness you can set up ways with paypal to get it around 1% or less I think, without the debit card (this is from memory, I can look up the specifics if anyone cares). Last I heard, to have a merchant account with credit cards they can charge you anywhere from 2%-5% or more depending on your volume. Also paypal is VERY conveniant and its very easy to see when/if someone has paid you. Its also VERY fast. The money shows up in paypal within 5 seconds or so.
In terms of buying, I like the idea of paypal being a one use thing, and also more anonymous. I'm not giving out my credit card # to someone on ebay who could do who knows what with it. Also, no one can do recurring billing without your knowledge, so when you pay with paypal thats it, one time payment unless you personally choose to pay more.
There are a few disadvantages to paypal, namely the lack of federal laws protecting you from fraud as a buyer. However, I have never gotten cheated yet when I buy things off of ebay (mainly because I'm careful to research and actually READ feedback and email them, etc etc), so I haven't been too worried about this.
BTW, I mentioned I use a paypal debit card, that's my ONLY debit card, in general I advise steering far away from debit cards, less protection than credit cards.
Just my 2 cents. What do you guys think about it?
In terms of selling, if you use thier debit card, you can get 1.5% charges as a seller. If you run a serious buisness you can set up ways with paypal to get it around 1% or less I think, without the debit card (this is from memory, I can look up the specifics if anyone cares). Last I heard, to have a merchant account with credit cards they can charge you anywhere from 2%-5% or more depending on your volume. Also paypal is VERY conveniant and its very easy to see when/if someone has paid you. Its also VERY fast. The money shows up in paypal within 5 seconds or so.
In terms of buying, I like the idea of paypal being a one use thing, and also more anonymous. I'm not giving out my credit card # to someone on ebay who could do who knows what with it. Also, no one can do recurring billing without your knowledge, so when you pay with paypal thats it, one time payment unless you personally choose to pay more.
There are a few disadvantages to paypal, namely the lack of federal laws protecting you from fraud as a buyer. However, I have never gotten cheated yet when I buy things off of ebay (mainly because I'm careful to research and actually READ feedback and email them, etc etc), so I haven't been too worried about this.
BTW, I mentioned I use a paypal debit card, that's my ONLY debit card, in general I advise steering far away from debit cards, less protection than credit cards.
Just my 2 cents. What do you guys think about it?
RossMAN
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Shawn,
1) Can we still pre-order individual hosting plans? Meaning I buy several I5 accounts and pay for them with PayPal but have no domains to host yet. After I register some domains I complete and submit the order form. Is this still true? Pay now, host later, right?
2) I personally ordered 2 I5 accounts for $5 each ($10 total) on Wednesday 6/5 and through your IRC special I put the "QUADRUPLE 4x bandwidth and website space" comments in the notes section. Last night you were offering free 5x upgrade. Will mine be automatically upgraded to 5x for free or do I need to request this? If so, how?
Thanks in advance for your time.
1) Can we still pre-order individual hosting plans? Meaning I buy several I5 accounts and pay for them with PayPal but have no domains to host yet. After I register some domains I complete and submit the order form. Is this still true? Pay now, host later, right?
2) I personally ordered 2 I5 accounts for $5 each ($10 total) on Wednesday 6/5 and through your IRC special I put the "QUADRUPLE 4x bandwidth and website space" comments in the notes section. Last night you were offering free 5x upgrade. Will mine be automatically upgraded to 5x for free or do I need to request this? If so, how?
Thanks in advance for your time.
Originally posted by: ErikaeanLogic
Hello, Shawn, and welcome to the AnandTech community
I am wondering how long you will offer this deal for? I just found out about it and am very interested in acquiring one of your packages at the ridiculously low prices you're offering. Please LMK
Thanks,
Erik
Easiest way from my experiance is just to stop in at the chat channel (details on my first post). At the moment its being moderated and shut down for a while because of some lame script kiddies trying to flood out the channel, but someone mentioned you can join #cw-support and get an invite to the main channel.
Here's the website with the current chat sales, its been mentioned in the chat channel quite a bit:
http://www.cyberwings.com/hosting/chatsale.html
From what I've seen, most of the stuff is there.
To put this issue to rest, our articles of incorporation are being scanned and will be put online at our website. This is just completely ridiculous. You guys are REALLY reaching for just about ANYTHING right now, aren't you? And, by the way, even if were NOT incorporated, did you know it's 100% legal to run a company as a sole proprietorship? Regardless, I'll debunk (yet again) this baseless situation shortly.
So now.. today.. I kind of feel like I should really offer some better deals - just because we can. To make all of those people out there who are questioning us already, question a little more. I'm not going anywhere, neither is CW.... are you?
So now.. today.. I kind of feel like I should really offer some better deals - just because we can. To make all of those people out there who are questioning us already, question a little more. I'm not going anywhere, neither is CW.... are you?
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