False. *May not* is considerably more accurate. That's not the sole purpose of masks, anyway. Surgical masks, for example, aren't intended to protect the wearer so much as they're intended for the wearer to keep their germs to themselves.
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False. *May not* is considerably more accurate. That's not the sole purpose of masks, anyway. Surgical masks, for example, aren't intended to protect the wearer so much as they're intended for the wearer to keep their germs to themselves.
woolfe9998
Lifer
From what is so far known, CV is only weakly airborne. Primary means of transmission is touch. As such, the face masks are fine but I think they probably shouldn't be a legal requirement like they are in much of the bay area and LA right now.
That's not really correct. Airborne transmission is a scientific term not covering droplets generated by coughing, sneezing or even clearing your throat.
Modes of transmission of virus causing COVID-19: implications for IPC precaution recommendations
Scientific brief
Masks inhibit droplets from being expelled by the wearer to infect others directly or to land on surfaces where others pick them up. They also inhibit the wearer from touching their mouth & nose to transmit the virus to & from surfaces with their hands.
There is also some evidence that the virus can be spread simply by breathing-
Study highlights ease of spread of COVID-19 viruses
pcgeek11
Lifer
Jaskalas
Lifer
The point is never about immunity through masks.
It is about reduction through masks.
And it absolutely will slow the rate of spread, particularly if the people who have COVID are wearing them.
Who else would threaten somebody for telling them to wear a mask?
woolfe9998
Lifer
That's not really correct. Airborne transmission is a scientific term not covering droplets generated by coughing, sneezing or even clearing your throat.
Modes of transmission of virus causing COVID-19: implications for IPC precaution recommendations
Scientific briefwww.who.int
I know what airborne means and what it doesn't mean. I'm aware that there is debatable evidence as to whether it can be transmitted through ordinary exhalation, though they aren't quite certain about that yet.
Is the coronavirus airborne? Experts can’t agree
The World Health Organization says the evidence is not compelling, but scientists warn that gathering sufficient data could take years and cost lives.
www.nature.com
Which means it's likely to turn out to be an unlikely means of transmission. If this were highly airborne, we'd know it by now.
Masks inhibit droplets from being expelled by the wearer to infect others directly or to land on surfaces where others pick them up. They also inhibit the wearer from touching their mouth & nose to transmit the virus to & from surfaces with their hands.
There is also some evidence that the virus can be spread simply by breathing-
Study highlights ease of spread of COVID-19 viruses
www.cidrap.umn.edu
Yes, that's the point of the mask. But it's a minor safety measure here because it mainly protects against picking it up through coughing and sneezing in public. But people who are symptomatic are not really going out these days, and asymptomatic carriers aren't coughing and sneezing, by definition.
I don't think the masks are preventing terribly many infections. As such, it's better as a best practices advisory than as a legal requirement.
Doesn't have to be "right wing nuts".
Could be the ones who would shoot and kill a store security guard for "disrespecting" someone who told them to wear a mask.
Three family members charged in shooting death of security guard who told a customer to put on a face mask | CNN
Three family members have been charged in the killing of a security guard who told a customer at a Michigan Family Dollar store to wear a state-mandated face mask, officials said on Monday.
Or even the young and drunk who would push a park ranger in a lake for asking them to social distance.
Park ranger was telling a crowd to social distance. Mid-speech, someone pushed him into a lake | CNN
A man accused of shoving an Austin, Texas, park ranger into the water while the ranger was explaining to a crowd the need for social distancing is embarrassed about the incident, his lawyer said.
mikeymikec
Lifer
Waiting for the PABOTUS to chime in on this one. I'd really like to see people cuffed for their stupidity, just so they can kind of get "scared straight" by the law, but in practical terms, I don't fault the mayor for changing it to a recommendation. The odds of violence against restaurant owners is far greater than the odds of compliance. Maybe coronavirus will take care of this one for us?
City's proclamation requiring face masks in stores and restaurants is amended after threats of violence | CNN
An emergency proclamation issued Thursday in Stillwater, Oklahoma, requiring the use of face masks in stores and restaurants was amended Friday after threats of violence.www.cnn.com
I guess the US now routinely gives in to the demand of terrorists.
brycejones
Lifer
Doesn't have to be "right wing nuts".
Could be the ones who would shoot and kill a store security guard for "disrespecting" someone who told them to wear a mask.
Three family members charged in shooting death of security guard who told a customer to put on a face mask | CNN
Three family members have been charged in the killing of a security guard who told a customer at a Michigan Family Dollar store to wear a state-mandated face mask, officials said on Monday.
Or even the young and drunk who would push a park ranger in a lake for asking them to social distance.
Park ranger was telling a crowd to social distance. Mid-speech, someone pushed him into a lake | CNN
A man accused of shoving an Austin, Texas, park ranger into the water while the ranger was explaining to a crowd the need for social distancing is embarrassed about the incident, his lawyer said.
Morons basically
I guess the democrats that founded the KKK invited a lot of republicans to the meetings?
repoman0
Diamond Member
Notice he said conservatives, not republicans. Republicans are conservatives now, democrats were back then. How many times do we have to go over this incredibly basic and tired history ...
soundforbjt
Lifer
ftfy
SteveGrabowski
Diamond Member
u don't say?
brycejones
Lifer
Yes the founders of the KKK were democrats. Care to guess which party modern day KKK members support?
BTW I know this has been discussed many times here so not even you can claim ignorance on this point. Your post was just stupid.
K1052
Elite Member
Most of the scientific discussion around surgical and cloth masks is that they do probably drive down R0 by source control, by how much is a matter of debate. There seems to be some evidence that you need to be exposed to a substantial amount of virus to become infected and masks would reduce, if not eliminate, what's coming from a given source and slightly reduce what people are taking in. Since there are a bunch of pre or asymptomatic people walking around you need everybody in them.
Anyway this is like the most minimal personal intervention you could ask people to maintain. There is no good reason not to do it.
ivwshane
Lifer
Unless you are implying that the people who founded the kkk are still alive, what you posted was pure stupidity. Was that on purpose or can you not help it?
lol, full of fail as usual.
UNCjigga
Lifer
Greenman is still clinging to the past, when Republicans were the party of Lincoln. That ship has sailed buddy. Eisenhower was the last great Republican. GOP is now and forever more known as the Party of Trump aka the Party of Failure. The only thing they’re good at is pandering to billionaires and cheating to win elections. Real Republicans have slowly been leaving, even before Trump came along. Since Trump, they’re even starting to lose their hold on rural farmers and ranchers.
Why else do you think the GOP is so desperate for the votes of white terrorists, racist former Southern Democrats, and religious fanatics? Because billionaires still only get one vote, and no one else with a brain is left.
Why else do you think the GOP is so desperate for the votes of white terrorists, racist former Southern Democrats, and religious fanatics? Because billionaires still only get one vote, and no one else with a brain is left.
dank69
Lifer
Hay fever? Pretty sure sneezing is not a symptom of COVID.I know what airborne means and what it doesn't mean. I'm aware that there is debatable evidence as to whether it can be transmitted through ordinary exhalation, though they aren't quite certain about that yet.
Is the coronavirus airborne? Experts can’t agree
The World Health Organization says the evidence is not compelling, but scientists warn that gathering sufficient data could take years and cost lives.
Which means it's likely to turn out to be an unlikely means of transmission. If this were highly airborne, we'd know it by now.
Yes, that's the point of the mask. But it's a minor safety measure here because it mainly protects against picking it up through coughing and sneezing in public. But people who are symptomatic are not really going out these days, and asymptomatic carriers aren't coughing and sneezing, by definition.
I don't think the masks are preventing terribly many infections. As such, it's better as a best practices advisory than as a legal requirement.
ivwshane
Lifer
The key to identity politics is to maintain the us vs them mentality. Focusing on that means you don’t have to focus on actual policies or any standard of governance which if you haven’t noticed, the GOP has been severely lacking for over a decade now.
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