More FEMA Incompetence -- FEMA Site Requres IE6.

[Strk]

Go to a library if you want to use the internet.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Does the online application require Internet Explorer?
Yes and no.

Currently to complete your application online you must be using Microsoft's Internet Explorer 6.0 or above. We are in the process of modifying the application so that it will be available to additional browsers.

If you do not have Internet Explorer 6.0 or higher, you may still be able to check the status of your application and update your information online once you have registered by phone.

But this is what happens when someone writes a story with an obvious agenda. They omit pertinent details like the above.

STFU, apologist. Ever heard of web standards? Why would they avoid using them? They may as well build the site with that plague called flash.

Geez. You give them the facts (that they're working on making it compatible with more browsers) and they still reach to bash someone, anyone. Some of you people give the impression that you get pleasure from bashing, b!tching, and complaining far more than simply thinking rationally.

As far as the limited question you asked, I already addressed that. It's much, much faster to set up a boxed app that can do this through IE, and make it available for the vast majority of users that might have access than try to wait until it's fit for use by all (Yes, I've also worked in IT doing application testing.). It's this thing called expediency. But don't strain your brain being rational. Jump on the conspiracy bandwagon with your cohorts instead. :roll:

I have built a number of websites and know for a fact that targeting only IE is simply stupid. Almost as stupid as building a website with only flash. You defended such idiocy, and i called you on it. Can your blind partisan support never waver?

Again, they are only targeting for IE at this time because that will handle the majority of people and allows them to get the website up and running the fastest. In this time of need, that is not stupid, it is smart. As I've already demonstrated, they are working to make it compatible with other browsers as well.

If you've built websites, then you should know what it takes to get a database application up and running with a web interface that's compatible with all platforms. It's not as easy as having simply a "standards compliant" application.

And Harvey, being an engineer doesn't mean squat when it comes to computing. I know plenty of engineers, since I work with them every day, who are absolute luddites when it comes to a computer, software, and the internet; particularly the older ones.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Again, they are only targeting for IE at this time because that will handle the majority of people and allows them to get the website up and running the fastest. In this time of need, that is not stupid, it is smart. As I've already demonstrated, they are working to make it compatible with other browsers as well.

If you've built websites, then you should know what it takes to get a database application up and running with a web interface that's compatible with all platforms. It's not as easy as having simply a "standards compliant" application.

And Harvey, being an engineer doesn't mean squat when it comes to computing. I know plenty of engineers, since I work with them every day, who are absolute luddites when it comes to a computer, software, and the internet; particularly the older ones.

You don't have a clue why they put up a website that is only IE only. The fact is they could easily have deployed any number of off the shelf apps that are standards compliant and don't use proprietary IE extensions. All the damn thing does is dump a bunch of information into a database, it's not some complicated sales application that automatically bills people. Even built in house there is NO REASON to use propreitary extensions. The person that developed and deployed this should be reprimanded. I really don't see why you are defending some lazy ass government employee that doesn't know how to do their job.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Does the online application require Internet Explorer?
Yes and no.

Currently to complete your application online you must be using Microsoft's Internet Explorer 6.0 or above. We are in the process of modifying the application so that it will be available to additional browsers.

If you do not have Internet Explorer 6.0 or higher, you may still be able to check the status of your application and update your information online once you have registered by phone.

But this is what happens when someone writes a story with an obvious agenda. They omit pertinent details like the above.

STFU, apologist. Ever heard of web standards? Why would they avoid using them? They may as well build the site with that plague called flash.

Geez. You give them the facts (that they're working on making it compatible with more browsers) and they still reach to bash someone, anyone. Some of you people give the impression that you get pleasure from bashing, b!tching, and complaining far more than simply thinking rationally.

As far as the limited question you asked, I already addressed that. It's much, much faster to set up a boxed app that can do this through IE, and make it available for the vast majority of users that might have access than try to wait until it's fit for use by all (Yes, I've also worked in IT doing application testing.). It's this thing called expediency. But don't strain your brain being rational. Jump on the conspiracy bandwagon with your cohorts instead. :roll:

I have built a number of websites and know for a fact that targeting only IE is simply stupid. Almost as stupid as building a website with only flash. You defended such idiocy, and i called you on it. Can your blind partisan support never waver?

Again, they are only targeting for IE at this time because that will handle the majority of people and allows them to get the website up and running the fastest. In this time of need, that is not stupid, it is smart. As I've already demonstrated, they are working to make it compatible with other browsers as well.

If you've built websites, then you should know what it takes to get a database application up and running with a web interface that's compatible with all platforms. It's not as easy as having simply a "standards compliant" application.

And Harvey, being an engineer doesn't mean squat when it comes to computing. I know plenty of engineers, since I work with them every day, who are absolute luddites when it comes to a computer, software, and the internet; particularly the older ones.

LOL I"d have to agree.

No idea what luddies is though 😕

Must be that old dude slang 🙂

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Just when I thought people had run out petit bullsh!t to whine about...

So true. Must be grasping for anything and flinging any poo they think might stick on the wall. Pretty disgusting display.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

It works fine in Opera 8.02 if it's set to identify as IE.

I admit though I didn't actually try submitting the form.

:camera:

 

[redhatlinux]

And of course, everybody here is contributing their skills, time and talent to help the victims. Sure

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Again, they are only targeting for IE at this time because that will handle the majority of people and allows them to get the website up and running the fastest. In this time of need, that is not stupid, it is smart. As I've already demonstrated, they are working to make it compatible with other browsers as well.

If you've built websites, then you should know what it takes to get a database application up and running with a web interface that's compatible with all platforms. It's not as easy as having simply a "standards compliant" application.

And Harvey, being an engineer doesn't mean squat when it comes to computing. I know plenty of engineers, since I work with them every day, who are absolute luddites when it comes to a computer, software, and the internet; particularly the older ones.

You don't have a clue why they put up a website that is only IE only.

Yes I do. I've worked on plenty of web interfaces to database apps, both boxed and in-house apps, for multiple large corporations, and it's far easier to get one up and running properly targeting it to one specific browser than trying to do it for 6+ browsers. And if they're going to target it to one browser in particular, which one do you think it's going to be?

The fact is they could easily have deployed any number of off the shelf apps that are standards compliant and don't use proprietary IE extensions. All the damn thing does is dump a bunch of information into a database, it's not some complicated sales application that automatically bills people. Even built in house there is NO REASON to use propreitary extensions. The person that developed and deployed this should be reprimanded. I really don't see why you are defending some lazy ass government employee that doesn't know how to do their job.

Once again, "standards compliance" is not some magic bullet that guarantees proper operation and compatibility with every browser merely by virtue of the phrase. You don't just create and deploy web interfaces either, unless you're a total hack of an operation. You test them first.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Does the online application require Internet Explorer?
Yes and no.

Currently to complete your application online you must be using Microsoft's Internet Explorer 6.0 or above. We are in the process of modifying the application so that it will be available to additional browsers.

If you do not have Internet Explorer 6.0 or higher, you may still be able to check the status of your application and update your information online once you have registered by phone.

But this is what happens when someone writes a story with an obvious agenda. They omit pertinent details like the above.

STFU, apologist. Ever heard of web standards? Why would they avoid using them? They may as well build the site with that plague called flash.

Geez. You give them the facts (that they're working on making it compatible with more browsers) and they still reach to bash someone, anyone. Some of you people give the impression that you get pleasure from bashing, b!tching, and complaining far more than simply thinking rationally.

As far as the limited question you asked, I already addressed that. It's much, much faster to set up a boxed app that can do this through IE, and make it available for the vast majority of users that might have access than try to wait until it's fit for use by all (Yes, I've also worked in IT doing application testing.). It's this thing called expediency. But don't strain your brain being rational. Jump on the conspiracy bandwagon with your cohorts instead. :roll:

I have built a number of websites and know for a fact that targeting only IE is simply stupid. Almost as stupid as building a website with only flash. You defended such idiocy, and i called you on it. Can your blind partisan support never waver?

Again, they are only targeting for IE at this time because that will handle the majority of people and allows them to get the website up and running the fastest. In this time of need, that is not stupid, it is smart. As I've already demonstrated, they are working to make it compatible with other browsers as well.

If you've built websites, then you should know what it takes to get a database application up and running with a web interface that's compatible with all platforms. It's not as easy as having simply a "standards compliant" application.

And Harvey, being an engineer doesn't mean squat when it comes to computing. I know plenty of engineers, since I work with them every day, who are absolute luddites when it comes to a computer, software, and the internet; particularly the older ones.

LOL I"d have to agree.

No idea what luddies is though 😕

Must be that old dude slang 🙂

The word is luddite.

C'mon. A traveled, worldly hipster like you doesn't know that word? I am shocked to the core. 🙂

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: redhatlinux
And of course, everybody here is contributing their skills, time and talent to help the victims. Sure

Is today marked 'Troll the P&N forum" on your calendar or what?

 

[Tab]

I can't beileve people are actually defending this, FEMA should to make the page acessable to as many computer types as possible.

Goverment website are held to certian "standards", those that have certian disablities must be able to access the site.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: redhatlinux
And of course, everybody here is contributing their skills, time and talent to help the victims. Sure

Is today marked 'Troll the P&N forum" on your calendar or what?

Not only that. But you explain. Then explain again. Then explain agin, how they are working on making it more compatible and explain how setting up a web interface to work with a multitude of browsers is not something where you just snap your fingers and you get:

I can't beileve people are actually defending this, FEMA should to make the page acessable to as many computer types as possible.

Goverment website are held to certian "standards", those that have certian disablities must be able to access the site.

It just boggles the mind how dense some people are.

 

[Tab]

TLC, get me and 10 my of my fellow nerds, a decent server or two, excessive amounts of caffinated bevrages and a linux distro. You'd have a sever that works with EVERYTHING in a day or two.

Their is no excuse just to cater to IE 6 users.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
And Harvey, being an engineer doesn't mean squat when it comes to computing. I know plenty of engineers, since I work with them every day, who are absolute luddites when it comes to a computer, software, and the internet; particularly the older ones.

I'm one of the older ones, but the good news, at least for me, is, I'm not one of those you work with.

The objective is straight ahead communication, nothing more. That requires the simplest, most universaly accessible code. It's possible to build web pages that use nothing but ASCII text and basic HTML tags that any browser could view correctly. It wouldn't have all the bells, whistles and fireworks of the most visually explosive commercial sites, but it should easily deal with any competent browser.

TLC -- This one isn't about politics. It's about a specific issue of competence under pressure that I thought would be of particular interest to a computer oriented group.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
And Harvey, being an engineer doesn't mean squat when it comes to computing. I know plenty of engineers, since I work with them every day, who are absolute luddites when it comes to a computer, software, and the internet; particularly the older ones.

I'm one of the older ones, but the good news, at least for me, is, I'm not one of those you work with.

The objective is straight ahead communication, nothing more. That requires the simplest, most universaly accessible code. It's possible to build web pages that use nothing but ASCII text and basic HTML tags that any browser could view correctly. It wouldn't have all the bells, whistles and fireworks of the most visually explosive commercial sites, but it should easily deal with any competent browser.

Thats the way website should be, personally Flash based websites disgust me.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Tab
TLC, get me and 10 my of my fellow nerds, a decent server or two, excessive amounts of caffinated bevrages and a linux distro. You'd have a sever that works with EVERYTHING in a day or two.

Their is no excuse just to cater to IE 6 users.

Well maybe next time you and your pals can bid for the FEMA contract to do this. As it stands now this is under control of the government. For anyone who has ever worked with the US government, or even a massive corporation, getting a website with a database interface up and working with only one browser within a week is nothing short of a stunning achievement.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Tab
TLC, get me and 10 my of my fellow nerds, a decent server or two, excessive amounts of caffinated bevrages and a linux distro. You'd have a sever that works with EVERYTHING in a day or two.

Their is no excuse just to cater to IE 6 users.

But they are not just catering to IE6 users, no more than they are just catering to PC users. Do people who use PCs with Linux/Apple/BSD somehow not have access to the same means of registering as those who have NO computer? 😕

Of all the legitimate things to bitch about, this falls about as close to the bottom of the list as possible - and off it entirely.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Tab
TLC, get me and 10 my of my fellow nerds, a decent server or two, excessive amounts of caffinated bevrages and a linux distro. You'd have a sever that works with EVERYTHING in a day or two.

Their is no excuse just to cater to IE 6 users.

Well maybe next time you and your pals can bid for the FEMA contract to do this. As it stands now this is under control of the government. For anyone who has ever worked with the US government, or even a massive corporation, getting a website with a database interface up and working with only one browser within a week is nothing short of a stunning achievement.

Okay? 😕 Of course, it's under goverment control and their doing a sh1tty job. FEMA catering to only IE6 user is absurd, it's not that hard to setup a sever nor is it impressive to get a server running within a week.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Tab
TLC, get me and 10 my of my fellow nerds, a decent server or two, excessive amounts of caffinated bevrages and a linux distro. You'd have a sever that works with EVERYTHING in a day or two.

Their is no excuse just to cater to IE 6 users.

But they are not just catering to IE6 users, no more than they are just catering to PC users. Do people who use PCs with Linux/Apple/BSD somehow not have access to the same means of registering as those who have NO computer? 😕

Of all the legitimate things to bitch about, this falls about as close to the bottom of the list as possible - and off it entirely.

Huh? AFAIK, those that are using a Apple or Linux based OS can't access FEMA's website.

It's not the highest priority, but it's certainly isn't near the bottom or the top.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Tab
TLC, get me and 10 my of my fellow nerds, a decent server or two, excessive amounts of caffinated bevrages and a linux distro. You'd have a sever that works with EVERYTHING in a day or two.

Their is no excuse just to cater to IE 6 users.

But they are not just catering to IE6 users, no more than they are just catering to PC users. Do people who use PCs with Linux/Apple/BSD somehow not have access to the same means of registering as those who have NO computer? 😕

Of all the legitimate things to bitch about, this falls about as close to the bottom of the list as possible - and off it entirely.

Huh? AFAIK, those that are using a Apple or Linux based OS can't access FEMA's website.

It's not the highest priority, but it's certainly isn't near the bottom or the top.

Huh? My point is, what about people who have NO access to computers? Are they left out? No, they can register by phone - there's even a special number for those who are hearing/speech imparied. Why can't Mac users pick up the phone?

They are not left out at all, they just don't have the same level of convienence as Windows/IE users. And a matter of mild inconvenience in the wake of a natural disaster is a very, very small price to pay, IMO.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
And Harvey, being an engineer doesn't mean squat when it comes to computing. I know plenty of engineers, since I work with them every day, who are absolute luddites when it comes to a computer, software, and the internet; particularly the older ones.

I'm one of the older ones, but the good news, at least for me, is, I'm not one of those you work with.

I highly doubt you would work with me. The engineers I work with are of the best of the best.

The objective is straight ahead communication, nothing more. That requires the simplest, most universaly accessible code. It's possible to build web pages that use nothing but ASCII text and basic HTML tags that any browser could view correctly. It wouldn't have all the bells, whistles and fireworks of the most visually explosive commercial sites, but it should easily deal with any competent browser.

And now you've proven I wouldn't want to work with you. This is more than just a webpage, Harvey. This is a web interface to a database. You don't build a database for this requirement from ASCII text and HTML tags. Additionally, there are hardware requirements to consider. Bandwidth requirements. Workload, testing, programmers, DBAs, scheduling, and a number of other considerations that your simplistic self hasn't taken into consideration.

TLC -- This one isn't about politics. It's about a specific issue of competence under pressure that I thought would be of particular interest to a computer oriented group.

It would if you knew what you were talking about.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Tab
TLC, get me and 10 my of my fellow nerds, a decent server or two, excessive amounts of caffinated bevrages and a linux distro. You'd have a sever that works with EVERYTHING in a day or two.

Their is no excuse just to cater to IE 6 users.

But they are not just catering to IE6 users, no more than they are just catering to PC users. Do people who use PCs with Linux/Apple/BSD somehow not have access to the same means of registering as those who have NO computer? 😕

Of all the legitimate things to bitch about, this falls about as close to the bottom of the list as possible - and off it entirely.

Huh? AFAIK, those that are using a Apple or Linux based OS can't access FEMA's website.

It's not the highest priority, but it's certainly isn't near the bottom or the top.

Huh? My point is, what about people who have NO access to computers? Are they left out? No, they can register by phone - there's even a special number for those who are hearing/speech imparied. Why can't Mac users pick up the phone?

They are not left out at all, they just don't have the same level of convienence as Windows/IE users. And a matter of mild inconvenience in the wake of a natural disaster is a very, very small price to pay, IMO.

Okay, I can see what you're saying that FEMA is catering to people other ways than just computers in general, however that's not what I implied. I should have been more precise with my wording.

We aren't talking about those that do have access to phones or other means, we're talking about computers and FEMA's website. They don't have the same convience, so what? FEMA should logically cater to everyone, many people have computers. Most computer these days STILL don't have Windows XP or even 2000. It's basic communcation, FEMA should try to allow access through every medium they can. They aren't doing that, they're limiting the specturm. It's really not that time consuming or difficult to setup any server thats compatable with all computers. I was browsing CNN.COM last night with Links2, a text-web browser.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
And Harvey, being an engineer doesn't mean squat when it comes to computing. I know plenty of engineers, since I work with them every day, who are absolute luddites when it comes to a computer, software, and the internet; particularly the older ones.

I'm one of the older ones, but the good news, at least for me, is, I'm not one of those you work with.

I highly doubt you would work with me. The engineers I work with are of the best of the best.

The objective is straight ahead communication, nothing more. That requires the simplest, most universaly accessible code. It's possible to build web pages that use nothing but ASCII text and basic HTML tags that any browser could view correctly. It wouldn't have all the bells, whistles and fireworks of the most visually explosive commercial sites, but it should easily deal with any competent browser.

And now you've proven I wouldn't want to work with you. this is more than just a webpage, Harbey. This is a web interface to a database. You don't build a databse for this requirement from ASCII text and HTML tags. Additionally, there are hardware requirements to consider. Bandwidth requirements. Workload, testing, programmers, DBAs, scheduling, and a number of other considerations that your simplistic self hasn't taken into consideration.

TLC -- This one isn't about politics. It's about a specific issue of competence under pressure that I thought would be of particular interest to a computer oriented group.

It would if you knew what you were talking about.[/quote]

It's pretty clear to me what he's talking about, what don't you understand TLC?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
And Harvey, being an engineer doesn't mean squat when it comes to computing. I know plenty of engineers, since I work with them every day, who are absolute luddites when it comes to a computer, software, and the internet; particularly the older ones.

I'm one of the older ones, but the good news, at least for me, is, I'm not one of those you work with.

I highly doubt you would work with me. The engineers I work with are of the best of the best.

The objective is straight ahead communication, nothing more. That requires the simplest, most universaly accessible code. It's possible to build web pages that use nothing but ASCII text and basic HTML tags that any browser could view correctly. It wouldn't have all the bells, whistles and fireworks of the most visually explosive commercial sites, but it should easily deal with any competent browser.

And now you've proven I wouldn't want to work with you. this is more than just a webpage, Harbey. This is a web interface to a database. You don't build a databse for this requirement from ASCII text and HTML tags. Additionally, there are hardware requirements to consider. Bandwidth requirements. Workload, testing, programmers, DBAs, scheduling, and a number of other considerations that your simplistic self hasn't taken into consideration.

TLC -- This one isn't about politics. It's about a specific issue of competence under pressure that I thought would be of particular interest to a computer oriented group.

It would if you knew what you were talking about.

It's pretty clear to me what he's talking about, what don't you understand TLC?[/quote]
I understand too well. Both Harvey and you have no real IT experience.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
I highly doubt you would work with me. The engineers I work with are of the best of the best.

You don't have a clue about what I know or whether I'm any good at my craft, but you're absolutely right. I wouldn't even consider working with you. I wouldn't have the patience to hold your little hand and guide your fluff filled little mind through the simplest concepts of functional design.

TLC -- This one isn't about politics. It's about a specific issue of competence under pressure that I thought would be of particular interest to a computer oriented group.

It would if you knew what you were talking about.

Considering how many others in this thread who do know what they're talking about agree with my point, it's pretty clear you're the one without a clue. :laugh: