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More Cruz stuff

ivwshane said:
Do you know who republicans typically comprise of? No surprises here.

The party of stupid will elect a stupid candidate, you can count on it.
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Hey pot, have you met kettle?

Why not argue his message rather than calling people names? What would a smart person have to say about Cruz's political messages? I really doubt you even know what they are so I'll list a few you didn't get from your usual left wing propaganda, I mean news outlets:

1. Flat tax, end IRS with all its corporate loopholes.
2. Secure the boarder. Then look at immigration reform.
3. Protect the 2nd Amendment.
4. Abide by the rule of law. Go to Congress to have laws changed rather then ignore them.

Now aren't these the things we should be talking about?
 
ccbadd said:
Hey pot, have you met kettle?

Why not argue his message rather than calling people names? What would a smart person have to say about Cruz's political messages? I really doubt you even know what they are so I'll list a few you didn't get from your usual left wing propaganda, I mean news outlets:

1. Flat tax, end IRS with all its corporate loopholes.
2. Secure the boarder. Then look at immigration reform.
3. Protect the 2nd Amendment.
4. Abide by the rule of law. Go to Congress to have laws changed rather then ignore them.

Now aren't these the things we should be talking about?
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Yes, those are hot button issues for idiots. Thanks for illustrating my point😉
 
ccbadd said:
Hey pot, have you met kettle?

Why not argue his message rather than calling people names? What would a smart person have to say about Cruz's political messages? I really doubt you even know what they are so I'll list a few you didn't get from your usual left wing propaganda, I mean news outlets:

1. Flat tax, end IRS with all its corporate loopholes.
2. Secure the boarder. Then look at immigration reform.
3. Protect the 2nd Amendment.
4. Abide by the rule of law. Go to Congress to have laws changed rather then ignore them.

Now aren't these the things we should be talking about?
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Kind of like Republicans - with Ted Cruz being one of the loudest in agreement - avoiding going to the SCOTUS to end Obamacare. Oh, wait.
 
ccbadd said:
Hey pot, have you met kettle?

Why not argue his message rather than calling people names? What would a smart person have to say about Cruz's political messages? I really doubt you even know what they are so I'll list a few you didn't get from your usual left wing propaganda, I mean news outlets:

1. Flat tax, end IRS with all its corporate loopholes.
2. Secure the boarder. Then look at immigration reform.
3. Protect the 2nd Amendment.
4. Abide by the rule of law. Go to Congress to have laws changed rather then ignore them.

Now aren't these the things we should be talking about?
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Those are all things that a vast majority on this forum could get behind.

How religious is he? Can he handle that some folks are born gay?

-John
 
Librerals - Do us a favor and bash the living shit out of him. I could careless.

Nothing I hate more than the typical "I'M A CHRISTIAN AND I WANT TO STRIP OUR GUBMENT. I DUN KNOW HOW BUT I DO".

Thankfully, most are saying he doesn't have a shot in hell since people on his own side detest him as well.
 
I wonder what his executive orders will address? When the shoe is on the other foot it's going to really get interesting.
 
Zorkorist said:
Those are all things that a vast majority on this forum could get behind.

How religious is he? Can he handle that some folks are born gay?

-John
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Yes the vast majority of the forum supports a flat tax that would shift the tax burden even further down the food chain. The wealth inequality gap isn't widening fast enough! Trickle down! Trickle down!
 
Zorkorist said:
Those are all things that a vast majority on this forum could get behind.

How religious is he? Can he handle that some folks are born gay?

-John
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Yesterday, he told the folks at Liberty that he wants to ban homosexuality. Or gay marriage. One of those--probably the latter...but I wouldn't be surprised if he said he wanted to ban homosexuality.

Though, that is more of a Perry thing to say.
:hmm:

OK, I'll say this about Cruz: he's the more eloquent version of Perry. So he's got that going for him.
 
ccbadd said:
Hey pot, have you met kettle?

Why not argue his message rather than calling people names? What would a smart person have to say about Cruz's political messages?
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If any of that really mattered, we wouldnt be in the state we are in. People dont care about platform. They dont care about message. They care about the tabloid crap they've been programmed to care about. And they will vote for the wall street candidate every time, regardless of their dem/repub label.
 
ccbadd said:
Hey pot, have you met kettle?

Why not argue his message rather than calling people names? What would a smart person have to say about Cruz's political messages? I really doubt you even know what they are so I'll list a few you didn't get from your usual left wing propaganda, I mean news outlets:

1. Flat tax, end IRS with all its corporate loopholes.
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End the IRS? Because taxes are going to collect themselves?

It is this kind of simpleminded red meat waving that indicates he isn't a serious contender.

BTW why this is a stupid idea has already been addressed in another thread about Cruz.
 
How about we stop making a thread for every stupid thing Rafael "Ted" Cruz says and focus only on topics in which he says something that's not stupid? It'd be nice to never again see his name mentioned in P&N.
 
brycejones said:
End the IRS? Because taxes are going to collect themselves?

It is this kind of simpleminded red meat waving that indicates he isn't a serious contender.

BTW why this is a stupid idea has already been addressed in another thread about Cruz.
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I actually want a purely consumption based tax that can not be avoided, like a VAT. But it would have to include getting rid of all the other taxes. Then the rich, and corporations, will naturally pay more as they have more money to spend. Currently the IRS lets the wealthy get paid in such a way that the majority of their income falls under capital gains and that is much lower right now than the rate on the same amount as direct income. If you leave things as they are and just raise capital gains than everyone who invests for retirement (not just the rich do this) will be harmed.

Also, my response had more to do with arguing the merits of his message rather than just running another thread where you just call him names. At least you are debating the message.
 
Short of Hillary doing some really really stupid things like cutting taxes only for the rich even further, or start attacking our social assistance programs, or really going off the deep end by creating laws that disenfranchise and suppress voters and attempt to snuff out any and every union she can, all while pushing for laws that create even more subsidies and tax breaks for big business and then attempt to abolish the EPA and any other regulatory agency that protects the general public from the banksters and others that would do anything to scam and rip off the consumer, you know, stuff that Cruz and his party are constantly trying their utmost to accomplish? Given the current crop of crooked corporate conniving creeps the Repubs have come up with, that lady is going to win. May not be by a landslide, but win she will.
 
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ccbadd said:
I actually want a purely consumption based tax that can not be avoided, like a VAT. But it would have to include getting rid of all the other taxes. Then the rich, and corporations, will naturally pay more as they have more money to spend. Currently the IRS lets the wealthy get paid in such a way that the majority of their income falls under capital gains and that is much lower right now than the rate on the same amount as direct income. If you leave things as they are and just raise capital gains than everyone who invests for retirement (not just the rich do this) will be harmed.

Also, my response had more to do with arguing the merits of his message rather than just running another thread where you just call him names. At least you are debating the message.
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The problem is that a purely consumption based tax would hit those at the lower end much harder. It sounds really nice and simple but the net result is the same. The tax burden is shifted downwards and the system becomes more regressive.
 
ccbadd said:
I actually want a purely consumption based tax that can not be avoided, like a VAT. But it would have to include getting rid of all the other taxes. Then the rich, and corporations, will naturally pay more as they have more money to spend. Currently the IRS lets the wealthy get paid in such a way that the majority of their income falls under capital gains and that is much lower right now than the rate on the same amount as direct income. If you leave things as they are and just raise capital gains than everyone who invests for retirement (not just the rich do this) will be harmed.

Also, my response had more to do with arguing the merits of his message rather than just running another thread where you just call him names. At least you are debating the message.
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I'm glad people like you will never have enough power to implement your disastrous plan. Consumption taxes hurt everyone except the wealthy. Are you wealthy? If you are, fuck you for trying to fuck everyone else for your own gain. If you aren't, fuck you for being a puppet for the wealthy.
 
Flat tax, no IRS...
How about them income tax returns?

I imagine a significant portion of the voting bloc is dependent on that for survival. It'd be like poaching a sacred cow unless his plan includes the continuation of that money.
 
The federal government is already funded by a flat tax for the most part. Roughly 75% of American taxpayers pay more to FICA than to the federal income tax.
 
The good news is that rebublicans are dying off.

The bad news is that whomeever replaces them, will likely be even worse.
 
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