MORE Crazies with Guns.

[BoomerD]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110124/ap_on_re_us/us_wal_mart_shooting

"PORT ORCHARD, Wash. – A shootout in front of a Walmart in Washington state left two people dead and two sheriff's deputies wounded Sunday afternoon, a sheriff's spokesman said.

One of the dead was a man who shot at deputies, said Scott Wilson of the Kitsap County Sheriff's Office. The other victim was a young woman who died after she was taken to a Tacoma hospital, he said.

The deputies' wounds did not appear life-threatening, Wilson said."


Hopefully, the woman was shot by the gunman...not hit by a round fired by one of the cops. (Cops get blamed enough for shit in these kinds of circumstances)

AND...


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110124/ap_on_re_us/us_detroit_police_shooting

"DETROIT – A gunman opened fire inside a Detroit police precinct on Sunday, wounding four officers including a commander before he was shot and killed by police, authorities said.

The gunman walked in through the precinct's revolving door shortly after 4 p.m. and opened fire indiscriminately at officers, police said. The officers fired back, killing the gunman.

"Utter chaos and pandemonium took place," Police Chief Ralph Godbee said at a news conference. "We have a number of officers who are shaken up.""

Shades of "The Terminator," walk into a precinct house and open fire? That takes balls...and/or no brains at all.

 

[Brigandier]

The first one, sorry about the victims. The second one, hey, this is what happens when police are armed representatives of "the man."

 

[deadlyapp]

One of the local washington firearms communities has a member who was on the other side of the street from the walmart when the shooting started. Said it happened really quickly.

It'll be interesting to see what information they release about the guy later and if the girl who died was the result of the officers or the bad guy.

 

[hans030390]

I think cops should be given flying, giant mechs. It would make the world a happy place.

 

[boomhower]

The first one, sorry about the victims. The second one, hey, this is what happens when police are armed representatives of "the man."

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Screw it, nevermind.

 

[KB]

Starting to look like a good time to invest in DuPont, maker of Kevlar.

I actually think the media coverage of such events increases the number of copycats. All of the coverage of the Gifford shooting is making others think about doing the same thing.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Sorry for the victims and their families.

Starting to look like a good time to invest in DuPont, maker of Kevlar.

Not going to do you any good, remember, in the minds of our enlightened lawmakers, the vast majority of gun crimes are committed with big, scary AK-47s (the only assault rifle, all of which are full auto), and large(r) caliber weapons like the M1 Garand. That is why they feel the need to regulate assault rifles even more and keep those Korean M1s from being imported. (sarcasm)

I actually think the media coverage of such events increases the number of copycats. All of the coverage of the Gifford shooting is making others think about doing the same thing.

I agree, but we cannot prevent private media companies from covering it. The media loves to cover gun crimes, but it is a reflection of what society prefers to see in our news.

 

[sourceninja]

If guns where illegal, do you think that guy wouldn't have made a bomb and walked into that police station?

 

[Texashiker]

MORE Crazies with Guns.

Ok, what is your point?

How many people died last weekend due to alcohol related vehicle accidents? But your going to report that are you?

How many people died last weekend from lung cancer? But your not going to report that are you?

How many drug users overdosed and died last weekend? But we are not going to report that?

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If guns where illegal, do you think that guy wouldn't have made a bomb and walked into that police station?

No, maybe he would have drove his car into the police station.

man drives car into police station

They found out later the man did it on purpose.

Maybe its time to outlaw cars? Or at least a 5 day waiting period to buy gasoline.

 

[WelshBloke]

If guns where illegal, do you think that guy wouldn't have made a bomb and walked into that police station?

:| No.

I think he'd either have got himself a gun through illegal means or carried on raging about things on the internet like all the other crazies.

 

[techs]

I find it disturbing that all those Americans carrying concealed weapons aren't stopping these awful tragedies.

 

[sourceninja]

I find it disturbing that all those Americans carrying concealed weapons aren't stopping these awful tragedies.

Yes, the best thing you can do when police are present is pull your concealed handgun. It is widely known police have a magic radar that tells them who are the good civilians with guns and who are the bad civilians with guns.

 

[BoberFett]

I find it disturbing that all those Americans carrying concealed weapons aren't stopping these awful tragedies.

Or, you know, all those cops carrying guns.

 

[deadlyapp]

I find it disturbing that all those Americans carrying concealed weapons aren't stopping these awful tragedies.

Most people who conceal will only draw if they are in personal danger. We all know how much of a mess can be caused if you draw without intending to kill or be killed.

 

[amddude]

Most people who conceal will only draw if they are in personal danger. We all know how much of a mess can be caused if you draw without intending to kill or be killed.

Every bullet = liability

And like others have said if the cops were involved, why the hell would you interfere?

Carrying a gun for personal protection should be first and foremost, wait for it... personal protection.

 

[FDF12389]

I find it disturbing that all those Americans carrying concealed weapons aren't stopping these awful tragedies.

Don't you have a window to lick or something?

 

[sandorski]

Sorry for the victims and their families.


Not going to do you any good, remember, in the minds of our enlightened lawmakers, the vast majority of gun crimes are committed with big, scary AK-47s (the only assault rifle, all of which are full auto), and large(r) caliber weapons like the M1 Garand. That is why they feel the need to regulate assault rifles even more and keep those Korean M1s from being imported. (sarcasm)

I agree, but we cannot prevent private media companies from covering it. The media loves to cover gun crimes, but it is a reflection of what society prefers to see in our news .

1) Well, you're right, some Guns are used more often than others. If Lawmakers tried to Ban/Restrict those Guns they'd have 2 major problems. One being the NRA and just people objecting to such action outright. Second being that Banning/Restricting a Gun that is less dangerous than an AK or other Semi-Auto Weapon likely just leaves the more dangerous Weapons as the only choice.

2) The Media has to cover these things, it's the whole purpose to their existence. They inform you on what's going on. Certainly they go overboard at times, but an informed Public is preferable to an uninformed Public.

The 2nd Amendment would best be abolished. You could make that an issue for the States to decide, although that's just a half assed compromise that wouldn't help much. Just my opinion on the matter.

 

[FDF12389]

The 2nd Amendment would best be abolished. You could make that an issue for the States to decide, although that's just a half assed compromise that wouldn't help much. Just my opinion on the matter.

Yes, then people will drive across state lines and traffic weapons, black market and untraceable gun sales will increase, then every state will burn right through federal tax dollars trying to enforce their respective gun laws.

No thanks.

 

[sourceninja]

Restricting access has never worked for anything. It hasn't worked with drugs or booze, why would we think it will work with guns?

What does work is increased education and exposure.

 

[sandorski]

Yes, then people will drive across state lines and traffic weapons, black market and untraceable gun sales will increase, then every state will burn right through federal tax dollars trying to enforce their respective gun laws.

No thanks.

That's why I said it was Half Assed.

 

[sandorski]

Restricting access has never worked for anything. It hasn't worked with drugs or booze, why would we think it will work with guns?

What does work is increased education and exposure.

You don't consume Guns for the pursuit of happiness. Would they be available on the Black Market? Yes, but they are a very different thing from Drugs/Alcohol.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Ok, what is your point?

How many people died last weekend due to alcohol related vehicle accidents? But your going to report that are you?

How many people died last weekend from lung cancer? But your not going to report that are you?

How many drug users overdosed and died last weekend? But we are not going to report that?

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No, maybe he would have drove his car into the police station.

man drives car into police station

They found out later the man did it on purpose.

Maybe its time to outlaw cars? Or at least a 5 day waiting period to buy gasoline.

I think his point was pretty clear. And they do report on people dying in alcohol related accidents and car accidents and drug overdoses.

The OP didn't say anything about gun control. It's you gun loons who always start screaming your heads off everytime someone points out something bad someone else did involving a shooting. You gun loons sure are defensive and paranoid when it comes to this...wonder why that is?

 

[Scotteq]

I find it disturbing that all those Americans carrying concealed weapons aren't stopping these awful tragedies.

Depends on where you live - (and I most strongly urge anyone contemplating to thoroughly familiarize themselves with the laws where they live), - but in most areas you are only allowed to use the weapon in self defense; and you remain responsible for whatever happens if/when you draw/use your weapon. i.e. - If a bullet passes through the bad guy and injures someone else, or you miss, you can be sued/arrested as a consequence. Not to mention it's a little difficult to make a self defense case if the CCW holder goes in after the assailant.


Could also be that most citizens don't bother to carry weapons, even in areas which are unrestricted. 😉

 

[sourceninja]

You don't consume Guns for the pursuit of happiness. Would they be available on the Black Market? Yes, but they are a very different thing from Drugs/Alcohol.

They are already on the black market. Hell people in prison still find ways to make crossbows and kill each other. With the insane amount of undocumented guns (like every gun I own) on the market, it would be impossible to find and stop the sale of firearms.

All you accomplish is turning a large majority of americans into criminals while preventing law abiding citizens from defending themselves. Existing people already using firearms illegally will have no effect to their day to day operations (With the exception of their job getting easier).

Firearm bans worked well in places where there were registries of all owned firearms. Do you really think the majority of americans would tell the government how many guns they own? I'd argue the popularity of firearms would increase if they were banned. Look at how sales spiked on assault weapons just because of a rumor (without proof) that obama's election would cause a renew of the assault weapons ban. Look at how hard it is to find high cap mags right now after the recent shootings.

I'd argue that the guns are a point of pleasure just as much as booze. I own many many guns, most for pleasure. I own many many bottles of rare and strange booze, again mostly for pleasure. I rarely use both (and never use both at the same time).

Raising education would solve a lot of our problems a lot faster then banning anything that can be abused. If someone wants you dead, they are going to find a way to attempt their goal. Car, gun, spork, poison, or even their own bare hands. Murder rates are now lower just because guns are banned, murders from firearms are lower because guns are banned. If a guy comes home and his wife is banging his best friend, he doesn't go "well, I don't own a gun, so let's talk about this". He grabs a knife, or vase, or golf club and beats him to death. If he was going to talk it out he would talk it out with or without a gun.

I've owned guns from the time I was old enough to point one down range. I even owned scary black guns and wore a trench coat in high school. Being educated in the PROPER of firearms and in morals, ethics has made that gun ownership responsible.

To put it another way, you have more to fear from my cooking then you do my M1.

 

[sourceninja]

Depends on where you live - (and I most strongly urge anyone contemplating to thoroughly familiarize themselves with the laws where they live), - but in most areas you are only allowed to use the weapon in self defense; and you remain responsible for whatever happens if/when you draw/use your weapon. i.e. - If a bullet passes through the bad guy and injures someone else, or you miss, you can be sued/arrested as a consequence. Not to mention it's a little difficult to make a self defense case if the CCW holder goes in after the assailant.


Could also be that most citizens don't bother to carry weapons, even in areas which are unrestricted. 😉

Where I live you can use your firearm to defend the life of another. However, in both of these cases the police were on the scene. As a civilian, drawing a firearm with police on the scene is a big billboard saying "Shoot me, I'm a bad guy".

I would only draw my weapon if there was no help nearby and someone was about to die.