More Cash for Clunkers news. Ordered Cars now allowed...

[waggy]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: CPA
And half of the country wants these morons to run healthcare.

This is not at all comparable and the majority of the cash for clunkers criticism is your typical slew of right-wing lies.

not true.

My family has owned used (and a few new) car lots since my Grandfather was young. We also know many other people who own car lots.


We are hearing about a LOT of problems that are listed in the article and its not just a rare case.

teh C4C idea was rushed through and not thought out and not setup to handle the demand it got.

Its also going to lead to a lot of problems soon. All those Rejections are going to have to be repaid. there are going to be a lot of lawsuits. This is not going to be fun with the lack of paperwork and documentation.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Red Herring
Like the Billions that went missing in Iraq? Well at least we know where the C4C money went.

404 Relevancy Not Found

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Red Herring
Like the Billions that went missing in Iraq? Well at least we know where the C4C money went.

404 Relevancy Not Found

Any time a demo program fails in any way it's ok because it's not Bush and it's not Iraq, you should know that by now.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Red Herring
Like the Billions that went missing in Iraq? Well at least we know where the C4C money went.

404 Relevancy Not Found

Any time a demo program fails in any way it's ok because it's not Bush and it's not Iraq, you should know that by now.

As much as Bush fucked things up while president. His legacy will be worse because it will allow democrats to fuck things up equally as bad or worse and let them use the Bush card.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: CPA
And half of the country wants these morons to run healthcare.

That is what popped into my head as I quit reading.

yeah. Like the military. Worthless.

There's a reason the top army leaders were in congressional meetings about a month ago requesting changes to the military health system, and they weren't because it works so well.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: JKing106
And the Neocons will come up with every pathetic bullshit excuse to criticize and demonize an incredibly successful and popular program. Keep bending over, guys.

ummm I would not call mysef a neocon... but what do you think made this recession cut so deep? Too many Americans getting in over their head with debt obligations?

So how is encouraging people to turn in cars that are paid for to take on more debt? Using money the U.S. Government borrowed itself?

Please tell me how this is successful? Surely it will make the repo man happy in 6 months to a year.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: JKing106
And the Neocons will come up with every pathetic bullshit excuse to criticize and demonize an incredibly successful and popular program. Keep bending over, guys.

ummm I would not call mysef a neocon... but what do you think made this recession cut so deep? Too many Americans getting in over their head with debt obligations?

So how is encouraging people to turn in cars that are paid for to take on more debt? Using money the U.S. Government borrowed itself?

Please tell me how this is successful? Surely it will make the repo man happy in 6 months to a year.

hmm i wonder if they will keep statistics on this? i would like ot know how many of these cars are repoed in 6 months and 1 year.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: CPA
And half of the country wants these morons to run healthcare.

That is what popped into my head as I quit reading.

yeah. Like the military. Worthless.

Only when same people that want to run healthcare want to run the military. When the politicians dictate operations then military gets incredibly inefficient.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Red Herring
Like the Billions that went missing in Iraq? Well at least we know where the C4C money went.

404 Relevancy Not Found

Any time a demo program fails in any way it's ok because it's not Bush and it's not Iraq, you should know that by now.

As much as Bush fucked things up while president. His legacy will be worse because it will allow democrats to fuck things up equally as bad or worse and let them use the Bush card.

:thumbsup: Someday, the partisan hacks here might just realize that two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Red Herring
Like the Billions that went missing in Iraq? Well at least we know where the C4C money went.

404 Relevancy Not Found

Any time a demo program fails in any way it's ok because it's not Bush and it's not Iraq, you should know that by now.

As much as Bush fucked things up while president. His legacy will be worse because it will allow democrats to fuck things up equally as bad or worse and let them use the Bush card.

:thumbsup: Someday, the partisan hacks here might just realize that two wrongs don't make a right.

Can I have what you're smoking? It's gotta be good.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: JKing106
And the Neocons will come up with every pathetic bullshit excuse to criticize and demonize an incredibly successful and popular program. Keep bending over, guys.

These kind of statements just take my breath away. You call a program that pushes around car purchases from one period to another, then spends 3x more than it was originally approved for and now is so mismanaged and the paperwork so cumbersome that it can't pay folks on time a success? What friggen planet do you live on?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: CPA
And half of the country wants these morons to run healthcare.

This is not at all comparable and the majority of the cash for clunkers criticism is your typical slew of right-wing lies.

You're right, its not comparable because UHC will be a million times more complex.

 

[Insomniator]

Is there some mental block that prevents people from seeing the government as it truly is?

The government, regardless of the regime has been an inefficient waste for...ever. Obama (just like any other liberal and fake-repub candidate) comes in PROMISING us that the government will fix allllll our problems and that allll the wasteful earmarks will be removed.

So which program so far has proven that promise to be true? The hundreds of billions in bailout $ that disappeared or this 4 billion dollar C4C program that is undocumented?

People honestly think the health care system will be any better? Come on, reallly?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
[That may be so, but I don't think it would hurt to know exactly what went where.

Like the Billions that went missing in Iraq? Well at least we know where the C4C money went.

I never realized you held the same mindset as the others. Just because one idiot president let certain things happen doesn't mean it's ok for the next guy to do it as well. I thin cash for clunkers is a good idea but the fact that they can't document it is troubling.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: CPA
And half of the country wants these morons to run healthcare.

Hell, John Conyers (D) can't even be bothered to *try* to read the bill when it comes to signing it.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Andrew1990

Originally posted by: JKing106
And the Neocons will come up with every pathetic bullshit excuse to criticize and demonize an incredibly successful and popular program. Keep bending over, guys.

If my future taxes are paying for this program, I certainly want every detail and problem worked out.

Is it too much to ask that all the details on this cash for clunkers program is well documented?

C4C has been paid by other Programs, the Bank Bailouts IIRC. IOW, the money was already allocated, it was just diverted from the other program.

Ridiculous.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Andrew1990

Originally posted by: JKing106
And the Neocons will come up with every pathetic bullshit excuse to criticize and demonize an incredibly successful and popular program. Keep bending over, guys.

If my future taxes are paying for this program, I certainly want every detail and problem worked out.

Is it too much to ask that all the details on this cash for clunkers program is well documented?

C4C has been paid by other Programs, the Bank Bailouts IIRC. IOW, the money was already allocated, it was just diverted from the other program.

And who's paying for that? Or did the Obama fairy just create some more money?

Point is that it's not new Money.

Point is "so what, what the fuck does that matter"?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Andrew1990

Originally posted by: JKing106
And the Neocons will come up with every pathetic bullshit excuse to criticize and demonize an incredibly successful and popular program. Keep bending over, guys.

If my future taxes are paying for this program, I certainly want every detail and problem worked out.

Is it too much to ask that all the details on this cash for clunkers program is well documented?

C4C has been paid by other Programs, the Bank Bailouts IIRC. IOW, the money was already allocated, it was just diverted from the other program.

And who's paying for that? Or did the Obama fairy just create some more money?

Point is that it's not new Money.

Point is "so what, what the fuck does that matter"?

and this is why the debt is so damn high.

 

[chucky2]

How hard would it be for the .gov to setup a secure website where these places put in their business tax ID, the new and used vehicle VIN's, other pertitent info, and get a C4C unique ID number for that transaction?

All the eBusiness sites that do multiple $Billions of dollars each year do this, and it works.

Could not that have been easily done with C4C???

Chuck

 

[SP33Demon]

The government said the No. 1 reason dealers are seeing transactions rejected is they are not writing "junk automobile, cars.gov" on both sides of the trade-in vehicles' title, according to McNamara. Many dealers had thought they were following instructions to make sure the titles had a "label" when they affixed stickers with those words to both sides of the titles. But those stickers could be peeled off, so the NHTSA officials said dealers need to handwrite the words, according to McNamara.

"The advice to my dealers was, 'Break out the permanent marker,'" he said.

Dan Smith, NHTSA's associate administrator for enforcement, was among the agency officials on the call, said McNamara.

Reasons for rejection

Other top reasons for a deal's rejection included missing signatures on paperwork, absent proof of insurance for the trade-in vehicle or mismatched vehicle identification numbers for the trade-in.

Were the dealers instructed to do this from the beginning? If so, then this means the dealers need to learn how to fcking read instructions. Why the hell should the government reimburse dealers that submit missing signatures, no proof of insurance, or wrong VIN's? The first issue, I can understand (peeling stickers on the title). But the rest, there's no excuse. When you apply for any rebate, you make sure everything is covered because you don't want them rejecting it. Hell, in our peon world you get ONE chance to get the rebate right. These dealers are lucky to get a second chance to resubmit stuff.

The payment with no identification issue needs to be fixed, no doubt. But the rejections, aside from the peeling sticker issue, there's no excuse to bitch: they did it to themselves.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: JKing106
And the Neocons will come up with every pathetic bullshit excuse to criticize and demonize an incredibly successful and popular program. Keep bending over, guys.

These kind of statements just take my breath away. You call a program that pushes around car purchases from one period to another, then spends 3x more than it was originally approved for and now is so mismanaged and the paperwork so cumbersome that it can't pay folks on time a success? What friggen planet do you live on?

Mind boggling isn't it?

How many dealers do you think will go belly up due to cash flow problem after it takes a year to sort this mess out? Given that the auto market was already a shambles due to the economy, do these simpletons like JKing really think that dealers can afford to sit on a couple hundred thousand in receivables from this program while they wait for the feds to pull their heads out of their asses?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: chucky2
How hard would it be for the .gov to setup a secure website where these places put in their business tax ID, the new and used vehicle VIN's, other pertitent info, and get a C4C unique ID number for that transaction?

All the eBusiness sites that do multiple $Billions of dollars each year do this, and it works.

Could not that have been easily done with C4C???

Chuck

Who knows. Didnt they drop like 20 million on that site as well? How the hell can the govt fail at associating the 4500 with a transaction?

 

[chucky2]

Well, if there was a unique ID from the secure site, then when they pay, they could simply use that as the check number - although, someone that knew the banking systems would have to check first if that leangth is allowed for check number. Maybe there's some other common field in the bank systems that could be used.

Either way, it just seems like this would have been a far more preferable solution that generating @ssloads of paperwork that's going to get screwed up and provides for tons of overhead.

Chuck

 

[Pulsar]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Andrew1990

Originally posted by: JKing106
And the Neocons will come up with every pathetic bullshit excuse to criticize and demonize an incredibly successful and popular program. Keep bending over, guys.

If my future taxes are paying for this program, I certainly want every detail and problem worked out.

Is it too much to ask that all the details on this cash for clunkers program is well documented?

C4C has been paid by other Programs, the Bank Bailouts IIRC. IOW, the money was already allocated, it was just diverted from the other program.

And who's paying for that? Or did the Obama fairy just create some more money?

Point is that it's not new Money.

No, the point is it is still our money.

No, the point is that it's money our government doesn't even HAVE.

 

[ZeGermans]

Medicare operates with >5% overhead. Private companies push 20% overhead. Just pointing that out