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More bad press for Carnivale Cruises

"There were a lot of adults, but why wasn't anyone watching the kids?" asked Christian, who was traveling with his family.
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Maybe because they were not the freaking parents.

Seriously the parents need to be charged for this and have their other kid taken away.
 
Lazy parents. They figure it's a cruise ship at sea, no way little Johnny can dissapear. So lazy parents let the kids run loose in cruise ships with no supervision. Now they will sue because carnival cruise ship was not babysitting thier 6 year old.
 
In an e-mail to CNN, Carnival Cruise spokeswoman Joyce Oliva said the company does not have lifeguards on duty at its pools, and parental supervision is required for children under 13.
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Where were the parents? Are there signs posted around the pool about parental supervision? 🙁 🙄
 
Does this mean parents will start boycotting Carnival and not taking their kids on those cruises?

Sounds like an improvement.
 
That sucks, too bad for the kid.

I'm boarding Carnival Pride in 48 days (Dec 1), looking forward to the trip. (Been on Ecstasy and Elation before through Carnival, as well as on a Royal Caribbean ship maybe 3 or 4 years ago, and a Holland America ship back in 98.)
 
I go to hotels that have pools and have never seen a lifeguard. I don't see why cruise ships should be any different. This is on the parents.

Fern
 
I've been on the Victory before, about 10 years ago. It's a nice ship I must say. If I recall correctly, though it has been a long time, those areas are well signed that parental supervision is required. Though thanks to America's lax tort system, the parents will undoubtedly cash in from this unfortunate tragedy. It's worth noting that most resorts and hotels I've been to don't have life guards at the pool.

The Victory is quite a large ship. Even if there were life guards on duty, who the heck would abandon a kid that young on a ship that size?! That's like the equivalent of leaving a kid alone in a shopping mall. You're just asking for trouble. I'm a bit perplexed as to why someone would want to take a 6 year old on a cruise to begin with. Carnival has a reputation of being for parties, not so much families. Seems they just wanted to go but couldn't get grandma and grandpa to look after the kids. Typical.
 
Way to go CNN.

No mention of the parents at all in that article. Just a quote from another passenger stating the freakin obvious - OMG there were no lifeguards!

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Unless you know what to look for, it's tough to spot a person who's drowning. They can't yell if they have water in their airway, and they can't wave to get attention, if they can't keep their head above water.

This is mostly on the kid's own parents, but also on Carnival for not providing trained lifeguards.
 
Swimming pools are in fact pretty dangerous, at least compared to other things that get a lot more press, but which kill far fewer people.
 
BoberFett said:
I would guess that liability-wise, it's preferable to post warning signs than to have a lifeguard on duty.
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I would also guess that besides liability (if someone drowns WITH a lifeguard on duty they are really screwed) it's far cheaper to add coverage for such an incident to their existing insurance premiums than to staff lifeguards at every pool on every one of their boats.
 
Lifted said:
I would also guess that besides liability (if someone drowns WITH a lifeguard on duty they are really screwed) it's far cheaper to add coverage for such an incident to their existing insurance premiums than to staff lifeguards at every pool on every one of their boats.
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And 24/7 staff at that, a kid could wander by in the middle of the night.
 
Wow that sucks. Carnival should in no way be responsible for this, but this is America, they're going to get sued through the roof. The parents should be put in jail over this. How can you be retarded enough to let a 6 year old in the pool without supervision?
 
My experience with cruises is that bad parents let their kids just roam free on the ship. That means most kids get to roam free on the ship.
 
Red Squirrel said:
Wow that sucks. Carnival should in no way be responsible for this, but this is America, they're going to get sued through the roof. The parents should be put in jail over this. How can you be retarded enough to let a 6 year old in the pool without supervision?
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Hmmm what if they were in international water when this happened?

I just feel bad for the 10 year old sibling that was with him as he is going to feel like shit for the rest of his life.
 
Newbian said:
Hmmm what if they were in international water when this happened?

I just feel bad for the 10 year old sibling that was with him as he is going to feel like shit for the rest of his life.
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Actually not sure how it works for cruises. Does it by by the Cruise company's country's laws, or the passenger's country's laws?

Come to think of it it's odd nobody helped though. I guess drowning is not something that looks obvious if you're not trained to look for it, so it was probably too late by the time it was noticed. Really sad.
 
Red Squirrel said:
Actually not sure how it works for cruises. Does it by by the Cruise company's country's laws, or the passenger's country's laws?

Come to think of it it's odd nobody helped though. I guess drowning is not something that looks obvious if you're not trained to look for it, so it was probably too late by the time it was noticed. Really sad.
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Think it's by the flag of the country the specific ship sails under. I think it also matters which country's waters the ship is... Ah eff, I don't know. I just hear you shouldn't expect the full force of the law to come to your rescue for anything that happens on cruises.
 
Red Squirrel said:
Actually not sure how it works for cruises. Does it by by the Cruise company's country's laws, or the passenger's country's laws?
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I am no longer current on the specifics, but events aboard vessels in international waters are governed by admiralty law and various international treaties and agreements.

Unless you're a panga boat 90 miles southwest of San Diego with a load of Mexican herb. In that case events aboard vessels in international waters are governed by Uncle fucking Sam, bitch.
 
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