More attacks ads coming from the Bush campaign

conjur

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Has Bush had ONE positive ad focused on his "achievements" yet???

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/25/politics/campaign/25CAMP.html

WASHINGTON, April 24 ? President Bush's campaign is unleashing a direct and meticulously planned assault on John Kerry's national security credentials this week with a nearly $10 million advertising drive intended to undermine what both sides describe as Mr. Kerry's potentially greatest asset.

The tough television attack advertisements, combined with a speech Vice President Dick Cheney will deliver in Missouri on Monday, reflect what both sides see as an increasingly critical question: whether Mr. Kerry can convince Americans that he would be a strong enough president in a time of war. The advertisements will begin Monday night and will be broadcast on stations in nine states and on some national cable networks.

The assault on Mr. Kerry comes as Mr. Bush has been facing discouraging news from Iraq and challenges to his response to warnings about the Sept. 11 attacks. The White House has been cheered by polls suggesting that those developments have not undermined Mr. Bush's standing.

But this new challenge to Mr. Kerry also coincides with the first anniversary on May 1 of the speech Mr. Bush gave on an aircraft carrier off the coast of California celebrating the fall of Baghdad. While Mr. Bush's advisers said the timing of the new advertisements had nothing to do with that, they said they were girding for attacks from Mr. Kerry and Democrats, who are planning to use the anniversary to stage challenges to Mr. Bush's policy in Iraq.

The Bush advertisements open at a military staging ground somewhere in the desert, teeming with tanks, fighter jets and soldiers. But the matériel begins to vanish from the screen as an announcer ominously lists the military spending cuts Mr. Kerry supported.

"John Kerry has repeatedly opposed weapons vital to winning the war on terror," the announcer says.

Strategists from both parties said that national security remained the threshold issue for Mr. Kerry, meaning he must establish his credibility as a potential commander in chief before undecided voters will listen to his appeal on other issues. From the moment Mr. Kerry first began running for president, he argued to Democrats that he could at least neutralize the president's advantage on foreign policy because of his status as a decorated Vietnam veteran and his years in the Senate.

But even some Democrats say Mr. Kerry has yet to accomplish that. Jim Gerstein, the executive director of Democracy Corps, a Democratic research organization, said focus groups by his organization had found that Mr. Kerry has yet to break that barrier, though he said that television advertisements Mr. Kerry began broadcasting last week would help him.

"The role of commander in chief is a bigger part of this election than it has been, and because of that there's a higher threshold to pass," he said. "If you don't pass that threshold they won't consider you as president."

Steve Elmendorf, Mr. Kerry's deputy campaign manager, said Mr. Kerry's credibility on national security would increase over the next few months, particularly as voters see commercials that show Mr. Kerry asserting that he would be a strong president on terrorism, and others that focus on his years in Vietnam.

"George Bush is the incumbent president of the United States, and I think the incumbent is always going to start with a significant advantage over a challenge on national security issues," Mr. Elmendorf said. "But we are confident that when John Kerry stands on a stage with George Bush this fall, people are going to look at the two men and they are going to see in John Kerry someone they are willing to entrust the nation's security to."

But Mr. Bush's advisers said they hoped this latest in a continuing crush of advertisements directed at Mr. Kerry would prevent him from surmounting that hurdle.

Mr. Bush's campaign manager, Ken Mehlman, argued that Mr. Kerry's biography and résumé would not be enough to offset a series of votes cast and statements made over the years that the Republicans would use to raise questions about Mr. Kerry's ability to be a tough president on national security.

"I think ultimately the most important thing that people want to see on the war on terror is, what is your vision for dealing with it and what is your record," he said. "With Senator Kerry, when you add it all up, what the American people see is someone underestimate the risk of terrorism, misunderstand the nature of the war and not offer a resolute approach to make sure America is protected."

Mr. Bush's new advertising campaign includes nine spots specifically tailored for nine swing states in which some of the weapons programs Mr. Kerry has opposed are made. The advertisements are to coincide with speeches in those states by senior Republicans, some of whom will be accompanied by medal of honor winners.

In a version of the advertisement to run in Florida, for instance, the announcer says Mr. Kerry opposed "Apache helicopters, C-130 Hercules and F-16 fighter jets, components of which are all built here in Florida." A spot for Maine says he "wanted to cancel Aegis Warships built here in Maine at Bath Iron Works."

Even Mr. Bush's campaign aides acknowledged that it was likely Mr. Kerry would be able to respond to these advertisements by pointing to votes he has made supporting military programs, even some of those he has voted against at other times.

In March, when Mr. Bush's campaign began broadcasting an advertisement in West Virginia questioning Mr. Kerry's commitment to troops, his campaign responded with a fact sheet asserting Mr. Kerry had supported "more than $4.4 trillion in defense spending" during his Senate career. It specifically cited his vote in 2002 for a sizable increase in the Defense Department budget that included $4 billion for F-22 fighter jets, $630 million for Blackhawk-style helicopters and $160 million for upgrades to the B-1 bomber program.

Mr. Kerry's voting record does include many votes to cut weapons systems. He ran for the Senate in 1984 on proposals to eliminate 27 weapons systems and to make reductions in 18 others. Mr. Kerry has said many defense bills he voted against later were ridden with pork. Still, although he has complained that Mr. Bush's campaign has taken his votes out of context, he told The Boston Globe last year that some of his stances were "stupid in the context of the world we find ourselves in right now and the things that I've learned since then."

Nonetheless Mr. Bush's strategists said they would continue to lord those moves over him to raise questions about his credibility when it comes to fighting terrorism.

"Obviously one of the most important issues in this election is the question of how do we continue to fight and win the war on terror so we keep our homeland safe," Mr. Mehlman said. "The American people are going to have to make a decision on Nov. 2."
 

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Originally posted by: conjur
Has Bush had ONE positive ad focused on his "achievements" yet???

Well...I guess there was the one ad that showed the attacks of 9-11 and Bush in a positive light...and the one where Bush says "I have a plan for where I want to lead America"...but yea thats about it. Just about always negative.
 

DealMonkey

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The Bush advertisements open at a military staging ground somewhere in the desert, teeming with tanks, fighter jets and soldiers. But the matériel begins to vanish from the screen as an announcer ominously lists the military spending cuts Mr. Kerry supported.
Ooooooo, spooky indeed folks. :roll:

Yet, I wonder how useful tanks, fighter jets and soldiers really are in the WoT? Yes, how often have those tools of the military been used to track down and bust some group of islami-morons building bombs in their urban apartment? Not very often, if ever. Although I'm this fear-mongering will work on some Americans. Probably the same bunch who associate Iraq w/ 9.11, etc.
 

dmcowen674

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"More attacks ads coming from the Bush campaign
Attacking Kerry on National Security Issues"

News Flash - Kerry is not President and has not been in the past. Guess someone forgot to tell the sitting President that. :roll:
 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"More attacks ads coming from the Bush campaign
Attacking Kerry on National Security Issues"

News Flash - Kerry is not President and has not been in the past. Guess someone forgot to tell the sitting President that. :roll:

You do realise, national security issues, including but not limited to spending, have to be okayed by the legislative branch that is made up of the Senate and the House. The president can craft policy, but ultimately it has to get the approval of congress.

There is a reason JFK was the last Senator to be elected president. Senators have to much excess baggage. To make matters worse John Kerry has public gaffes 2-3 times a week. Kerry's voting record and his mouth will end up doing him in before all is said and done.
 

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If the Bush campaign keeps up these attacks who are they going to get for a VP, since Cheney either has taken the exact same position(.50 gas tax) or supported the bills that have cut the defense programs they are now trying to attack Sen. Kerry about.
 

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"More attacks ads coming from the Bush campaign
Attacking Kerry on National Security Issues"

News Flash - Kerry is not President and has not been in the past. Guess someone forgot to tell the sitting President that. :roll:

You do realise, national security issues, including but not limited to spending, have to be okayed by the legislative branch that is made up of the Senate and the House. The president can craft policy, but ultimately it has to get the approval of congress.

There is a reason JFK was the last Senator to be elected president. Senators have to much excess baggage. To make matters worse John Kerry has public gaffes 2-3 times a week. Kerry's voting record and his mouth will end up doing him in before all is said and done.

While JFK was the last Senator to win the White House while serving in the Senate. Nixon is actually the last Senator, that is elected to the Senate, to have been elected to the White House.
 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"More attacks ads coming from the Bush campaign
Attacking Kerry on National Security Issues"

News Flash - Kerry is not President and has not been in the past. Guess someone forgot to tell the sitting President that. :roll:

You do realise, national security issues, including but not limited to spending, have to be okayed by the legislative branch that is made up of the Senate and the House. The president can craft policy, but ultimately it has to get the approval of congress.

There is a reason JFK was the last Senator to be elected president. Senators have to much excess baggage. To make matters worse John Kerry has public gaffes 2-3 times a week. Kerry's voting record and his mouth will end up doing him in before all is said and done.

Dubya has an advantage. He has never done anything significant with his life. His life did not matter before becoming governor.
 
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Originally posted by: Ldir


Dubya has an advantage. He has never done anything significant with his life. His life did not matter before becoming governor.

Please list YOUR 'significant' accomplishments and how you have achieved more than the President of the United States.
 

Jhhnn

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Dealmonkey has it right- no aegis cruiser will ever find Osama, no new class of attack submarine will deter islamic fundies, and the F-22 will never stop our own domestic terrorists.

Of course, our grandchildren may find themselves vulnerable to all kinds of threats if we continue to saddle their future govt with what will be insupportable debt....

Given the example of Afghanistan, no country will knowingly harbor terrorists intent on attacking the US, so the need for a bigger military is a red herring, and a false attribution as to the effectiveness of the military role in fighting terrorism.

And Iraq? And the need for "strong leadership"? Humbug. We'll see what kind of "strong leadership" it takes to re-occupy Fallujah and Najaf, what kind of stomach the US has for huge civilian casualties in that undertaking. Winning the war is just the beginning- now we have to win the peace, something the Bush Admin apparently hadn't planned on.... Lots of things they hadn't planned on, or developed any contingency plans to address...

Now that they've stuck us to the tarbaby, it would be sheer idiocy to reward them with a second term, to affirm the kind of thinking that got us where we are today... not just in Iraq, but also in domestic policy.
 

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Jhhnn,

I appreciate your pride in the United States, but to assume that other countries see the United States the way you do is erred. Many countries have little fear, despite the sole Superpower status afforded the U.S.

Many countries harbor terrorists, some actively, and some by ignoring their known presence in their country. They did so before Afghanistan fell, and after. The list is long, and in some cases surprising.

To assume that the high tech weaponry did nothing to win in Afghanistan, or Iraq is absurd. Without the F-117 and precision munitions, the Apache attack helicopter and the virtually invincible M1A1 tank, Baghdad would have been another story. Without the satellite imagery, precision munitions, and advanced weponry of the AirForce, the Taliban and Mujahadeen (previously undefeated in thousands of years of fighting) would have run us out of the country as they did the Russians. Keryy voted against most of the advances in weaponry that were successfully used in these countries.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: PELarson
If the Bush campaign keeps up these attacks who are they going to get for a VP, since Cheney either has taken the exact same position(.50 gas tax) or supported the bills that have cut the defense programs they are now trying to attack Sen. Kerry about.

Oh...but...but...but...that's different and that certainly won't make the airwaves. They'll only brush it aside or attack the character of anybody bringing up that fact.
 

Gaard

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If Reagan "doesn't really cut defense, he becomes the No. 1 special pleader in town...The severity of the deficit is great enough that the president has to reach out and take a whack at everything to be credible...If you're going to rule out the other two [Social Security cuts and a tax increase], then you've got to hit defense."
- Dick Cheney quoted in the Washington Post, 12/16/84
 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: Ldir


Dubya has an advantage. He has never done anything significant with his life. His life did not matter before becoming governor.

Please list YOUR 'significant' accomplishments and how you have achieved more than the President of the United States.
I am not running for president.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Didn't kerry tell Bush to "Bring it on"? I do believe he just repeated it when he visited Iowa again the other day. I guess he really didn't mean for them to "bring it on"- he must have just thought it sounded good or something;)

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Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: Ldir


Dubya has an advantage. He has never done anything significant with his life. His life did not matter before becoming governor.

Please list YOUR 'significant' accomplishments and how you have achieved more than the President of the United States.
I am not running for president.

No, you aren't, but you asserted that "his life did not matter" as "he has never done anything significant." Therefore, I am trying to determine if YOUR life (and your thoughts, therefore) matter. Still want to dodge the question? If so, that's understandable and I'll let it go.
 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: Ldir


Dubya has an advantage. He has never done anything significant with his life. His life did not matter before becoming governor.

Please list YOUR 'significant' accomplishments and how you have achieved more than the President of the United States.
I am not running for president.

No, you aren't, but you asserted that "his life did not matter" as "he has never done anything significant." Therefore, I am trying to determine if YOUR life (and your thoughts, therefore) matter. Still want to dodge the question? If so, that's understandable and I'll let it go.

LOL. You are so lame. We are comparing Dubya and Kerry. Still want to dodge the question? If so, that's understandable and I'll let it go.
 

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it's ok, all Galt can do is character attacks. He never has anything of value to say. It's a rarity to see him ever spout some actual facts to back up his statements.
And bush got into Harvard/Yale because of his connections, not his intelligence. Doesn't take a genius to figure out that this guy is no smarter than your average joe.
 
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Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
it's ok, all Galt can do is character attacks. He never has anything of value to say. It's a rarity to see him ever spout some actual facts to back up his statements.
And bush got into Harvard/Yale because of his connections, not his intelligence. Doesn't take a genius to figure out that this guy is no smarter than your average joe.

Ahhh, you are in your "thread-to-thread" mode talking about character attacks. Perhaps you should explain how my post is a "character attack." Then, when you are finished, please explain to CAD how this is not an attack...

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
It's funny how CAD tries to defend his party, he types "yap yap yap" and thinks that it somehow passes off for an actual response. What a moron.
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Gaard

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Still want to dodge the question? If so, that's understandable and I'll let it go.

Is it also understandable when you dodge questions, Galt?
 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Still want to dodge the question? If so, that's understandable and I'll let it go.

Is it also understandable when you dodge questions, Galt?



hahahaha

That's what I thought.