More ATI/NVidia PR wars
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Wreckage
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That AMD guy is worse than charlie.
Batman was in the top 20. Unless he's saying PC sales of all time. Which would also be stupid as it just came out.
In fact I'm willing to bet that if Dirt 2 does ever does come out it won't sell as well as Batman did.
This guy really gives a black eye to AMD as a whole.
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/60938
Batman was in the top 20. Unless he's saying PC sales of all time. Which would also be stupid as it just came out.
In fact I'm willing to bet that if Dirt 2 does ever does come out it won't sell as well as Batman did.
This guy really gives a black eye to AMD as a whole.
LOL
Wreckage, love how you ignored the points made by Huddy, probably because they are FACTS, no matter how you distort them you wont get away with it
I specially love this line
"If you don't agree with my fourth bullet point above then I'd guess you'd probably argue that AMD should lock DX11 functionality to its own hardware, yes? Something we haven't done!"
So whats your take on this? To avoid a double standard, either you take back your claims that AMD shouldnt have AA support "for free" because they didnt work with the devs, OR, you agree that AMD should also lock DX11 support in games, which one is it?
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Wreckage
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They don't own DX11, Microsoft does. BTW Microsoft does lock it to their operating system.
I really see these statements from AMD as desperation. With no real DirectX11 games on the market they are not able to make much use of what may turn out to be a very short gap in time with NVIDIA's card. When fermi is launched I bet we never here from this guy again.
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Cookie Monster
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Although PhysX is still on square 1, we've yet to see AMD participating the game at all.
Same can be said for AMD and the GPU compute side of things.
AMD may look like the good guy, but all they've done atm is nothing but smacktalk. Having a hardware out first is one thing, but using the hardware is another. I mean Tessellation for example was introduced like how many years ago? it hasn't really gotten anywhere til now where its part of the DX11 standard (Tessellation unit in the RV6x0/RV7x0 is abit different but still it was a waste of transistor budget looking at how it turned out).
Although I dont like some of nVIDIA's recent (and past) business tactics, they've actually done alot more than AMD when it comes to innovation. Who would have thought GPGPU computing would come this far and become this big (its only been like 3 years) where now its considered one of the selling point for a video card.
GPU accelerated physics for years was power point presentations, promises and what not. nVIDIA has made this possible. Im not going to even mention a thing about open standard and what not because that is entirely a different subject (it normally brings fire and brimstone). What I want to mention is how nVIDIA invested into this area and made it possible as we can see in some of todays games. Sure its not big yet, but its a start. Everything has to start somewhere. Its better than having companies digging up old power point presentations and throwing in new buzz words to excite the crowd til the next year when they will do the same thing again.
Same can be said for AMD and the GPU compute side of things.
AMD may look like the good guy, but all they've done atm is nothing but smacktalk. Having a hardware out first is one thing, but using the hardware is another. I mean Tessellation for example was introduced like how many years ago? it hasn't really gotten anywhere til now where its part of the DX11 standard (Tessellation unit in the RV6x0/RV7x0 is abit different but still it was a waste of transistor budget looking at how it turned out).
Although I dont like some of nVIDIA's recent (and past) business tactics, they've actually done alot more than AMD when it comes to innovation. Who would have thought GPGPU computing would come this far and become this big (its only been like 3 years) where now its considered one of the selling point for a video card.
GPU accelerated physics for years was power point presentations, promises and what not. nVIDIA has made this possible. Im not going to even mention a thing about open standard and what not because that is entirely a different subject (it normally brings fire and brimstone). What I want to mention is how nVIDIA invested into this area and made it possible as we can see in some of todays games. Sure its not big yet, but its a start. Everything has to start somewhere. Its better than having companies digging up old power point presentations and throwing in new buzz words to excite the crowd til the next year when they will do the same thing again.
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How dare you reply with a valid argument to Wreckage? Now you won't get an answer!
As for the PR slaps - I find them funny. nVidia should've ignored the blatant trap set by that AMD guy. Over exaggeration from both camps as to be expected from the PR departments.
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This was my first move here...
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This message is hidden because [B]Wreckage[/B] is on your [URL="http://forums.anandtech.com/profile.php?do=ignorelist"]ignore list[/URL].
No comment but guys do BE AWARE that the new forum defaults to showing your previously private personal infos as part of your public profile now until you go into your User CP and edit anything you'd rather not have anyone but the mods know about you...
edit: yes I pm'ed Derek about this, we need a PSA so people know to change their public details asap if they wish their names and so on to remain private.
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Dunno about that - it does not show anything about me - but Stats link does not work for me:
I thought that Nvidia letter was pretty good. Then I read the AMD letter and thought that was even better. Now I'm looking forward to Nvidia's response, if there is one. Maybe eventually they'll fight or something.
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I dunno... While I'm quite pleased with my 5870 and I certainly don't always agree with NV's "politics", I think a lot of what NV said is true. NV is really pushing forward on a whole other level of progress than ATI. The strides that NV has made with CUDA and PhysX are unmatched by anything ATI has done. With PhysX NV took almost DOA API/hardware, breathed life into it, and made it something we would actually want to use. That's impressive to me, even if the number of supported titles are limited and of varying degrees of success.
Yes, NVIDIA cards tend to be more expensive and some of these features are not directly tied to gaming, but I don't really think it would be accurate to say NV is abandoning gamers. You can't really complain about NV dumping money into TWIMTBP on one hand, and then say NV is abandoning gamers on the other. The two are somewhat mutually exclusive.
It's tough to say really... Perhaps ATI is being too shortsighted by focusing almost only on gamers' immediate needs/wants while NV looks at a broader market. Perhaps NV is shooting too high and will end up with bloated, overpriced gpus that gamers aren't willing to pay for because they offer little real world value over the less expensive ATI parts...
Definitely, a lot of what Nvidia said was true. A lot of what AMD said was true. And a lot statements from both were little more than PR spins.
What if someone quotes what an ignored (by you) person says...does that show up or is it still a "this person is on your ignored list" comment that comes up?
Why do you always say that? Is Battleforge using some bootleg DX11 or something? Considering Dx11 was JUST released it's amazing there's even one game out.
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