"More and more scientists are starting to believe in intelligent design."

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BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Only incorrect scientists believe in creation.

intelligent design is just a bullshit code word used to attempt to to make creationism appear to be less stupid and crazy.

I am sorry for whatever mental deficiencies any "believers" may have. Willful ignorance can be cured!
 

Cerpin Taxt

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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Ah, another TalkOrigins drone.
I want an answer to my questions before I respond to your desperate elephant hurling:

Does the fossil record "support the Cambrian Explosion"?
How do you think we know about the Cambrian Explosion?
 

Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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So basically we should dump the basis for modern biology for something that doesn't make predictions and doesn't even rise to the level of hypothesis because some religiously motivated non biologists want to feel better about themselves.

Even better, the only way it's true is if we believe in magic and all of our dating methods are wrong.

That's a real compelling argument, Sp33demon.
 

Gibsons

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Aug 14, 2001
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So basically we should dump the basis for modern biology for something that doesn't make predictions and doesn't even rise to the level of hypothesis because some religiously motivated non biologists want to feel better about themselves.

Even better, the only way it's true is if we believe in magic and all of our dating methods are wrong.

That's a real compelling argument, Sp33demon.

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CLite

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Dec 6, 2005
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ID's popularity will wane over time as less (or more, in which case its popularity would decrease) arguments (derived from new evidence) either prove or disprove macroevolution. My theory is that it has become more popular lately due to the abundance of evidence that blows up Darwinism (but not modern evolutionary sythnthesis).

Darwin was a proponent of bottom up macroevolution, meaning complexity must increase and traditional (not modern evolution synthesis) evolution agreed with this. Recent research has blown this theory up. From my link earlier in the thread:

There will always be questions that remained unanswered by science. There will be room for ID even if things get explained at the chemical level because there is the quantum level and then the sub-quantum level and then.... etc/etc/etc.

Some find comfort in a faith based explanation to all the unanswered questions in the world, this will never change no matter how much data is accumulated. The faith based explanations will never be confronted either because it's impossible to disprove.

However, no matter how little evidence or how much evidence is accumulated we can't turn to these faith based answers from a scientific perspective because they represent stagnation. They give the impression that an answer already exists. If you want to shit all over Darwin that's fine, the poor guy was operating with much more limited data, but be mindful of the progress scientists made in coming up with modern evolutionary synthesis. In the meantime the faith based approach is exactly the same as it was thousands of years ago, God period.

When I engineer something I can't just yell at my computer saying "God" and have a good design be created, therefore from my perspective all of this discussion can stay in a religious institution and not get into schools.
 
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zinfamous

No Lifer
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Years and years of dealing with obtuse and maladjusted creationists on the internet has taught me that there is only one helpful response to them:

Anyone who believes in Creationism, and further believes that it is an equal counterpoint to evolution through natural selection, is a fucking idiot.

If you can keep this nonsense in your church, and teach it only to your poor, defenseless children in Sunday school, then that is all well and good. When you try to "debate" it's relevance against sound scientific theory in a public setting, then you are hereby labeled a fucking idiot.

that is all.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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Years and years of dealing with obtuse and maladjusted creationists on the internet has taught me that there is only one helpful response to them:

Anyone who believes in Creationism, and further believes that it is an equal counterpoint to evolution through natural selection, is a fucking idiot.

If you can keep this nonsense in your church, and teach it only to your poor, defenseless children in Sunday school, then that is all well and good. When you try to "debate" it's relevance against sound scientific theory in a public setting, then you are hereby labeled a fucking idiot.

that is all.

Yea, there really is no point. The discussion is pretty much shut down when you bring magic into it. It's just pointless activity at that point, but sometimes it's fun to argue for its own sake.
 

DaveSimmons

Elite Member
Aug 12, 2001
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"A wizard did it"

Hey, if it worked for resolving continuity errors on Xena it should work for replacing science in the classroom too!
 

QueBert

Lifer
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Things work too perfectly for this all to be just dumb luck. For humans and everything around us to be here without some sort of ID would be like the same 1 person winning the lottery every single drawing, forever. God? Something else? Dunno, but something is behind it.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Things work too perfectly for this all to be just dumb luck. For humans and everything around us to be here without some sort of ID would be like the same 1 person winning the lottery every single drawing, forever. God? Something else? Dunno, but something is behind it.

What works "Perfectly". Things work adequately, but could be improved greatly. Much of the Order you or I experience has nothing to do with anything other than humanities own making.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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Feb 23, 2005
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Things work too perfectly for this all to be just dumb luck. For humans and everything around us to be here without some sort of ID would be like the same 1 person winning the lottery every single drawing, forever. God? Something else? Dunno, but something is behind it.
Look children: a person with no imagination and no concept of probability.
 

Schmide

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Mar 7, 2002
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Things work too perfectly for this all to be just dumb luck. For humans and everything around us to be here without some sort of ID would be like the same 1 person winning the lottery every single drawing, forever. God? Something else? Dunno, but something is behind it.

Please show work.
 

Gibsons

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Things work too perfectly for this all to be just dumb luck. For humans and everything around us to be here without some sort of ID would be like the same 1 person winning the lottery every single drawing, forever. God? Something else? Dunno, but something is behind it.
No.
This is rather as if you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!'
 

mnewsham

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Oct 2, 2010
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Things work too perfectly for this all to be just dumb luck

So your explanation is magic? Based on everything we have observed in the universe so far, everything points to abiogenesis, if it didn't originate on earth, than it originated elsewhere in the universe. That is the ONLY explanation that fits what we have observed. You say it's like winning the lottery, which while the odds are very low of happening, it happens all the time to someone, somewhere. The galaxy is much larger than the world we live on, so much larger you cannot possibly imagine something that large. And there are hundreds of billions of galaxies just like ours in the universe. With millions upon millions of stars and solar systems and planets, the odds of one or more of these planets "winning the lottery", even winning the lottery every single day for a million + years is bound to happen with that many potential possibilities available. Just because you can't grasps the scale at which the universe operates doesn't mean it was magic.
 

IronWing

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Jul 20, 2001
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Things work too perfectly for this all to be just dumb luck. For humans and everything around us to be here without some sort of ID would be like the same 1 person winning the lottery every single drawing, forever. God? Something else? Dunno, but something is behind it.
I flipped a coin. It came up heads. How perfect is the world that conditions were just right for heads to come up. There must be some direction in the universe culminating in this perfect situation.

What's that you say? Sometimes it is tails? Oh, the corruption of this wicked world breaks one's heart.
 

Puppies04

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Apr 25, 2011
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Pope wins. Darwin's dead. The pope only looks that way.


I'm not talking about the current pope, I assume he would pull some nazi super weapon from under his robe and vaporise poor Darwin.

Who was pope when he was alive, that would probably be a fairer matchup.
 

Retro Rob

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Lol - quotes are not evidence.

I just went outside and made a hole just big enough to hold 2 liters of water, so I made it just right for the puddle to fit comfortably inside the hole without it running over.

I "intelligently designed" it!

:cool:
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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I'm not talking about the current pope, I assume he would pull some nazi super weapon from under his robe and vaporise poor Darwin.

Who was pope when he was alive, that would probably be a fairer matchup.

Those popes were more murdery, though. Definitely that pope wins.

(btw: current pope is no longer that Hitlery Ratzenburger fellow. FYI)
 
Mar 11, 2004
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Lol - quotes are not evidence.

I just went outside and made a hole just big enough to hold 2 liters of water, so I made it just right for the puddle to fit comfortably inside the hole without it running over.

I "intelligently designed" it!

:cool:

Guess what, you just also provided objective evidence proving that you did that. ():)