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More Abstinence Miseducation going on

As much as you want to believe that condoms are 100% effective against pregnancy, HIV, and STDs, the fact of the matter is that they are not.
 

Rip, even if that Heritage Foundation (they aren't biased, are they 😉 ) article is correct, it still does not address MANY of the lies that the Waxman report points out as being taught in Abstinence Education curriculum.

Also, I must admit, as long as people are pushing for a One or the Other solution, and not admitting that BOTH Absitinence and SafeSex need to be taught as realistic choices, we will make no real progress.
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
As much as you want to believe that condoms are 100% effective against pregnancy, HIV, and STDs, the fact of the matter is that they are not.

NOBODY, and i mean NOBODY on this board at least believes that condoms are 100% succesful. we ALL say that when you give education about condoms, you need to point to the fact that it doesn't offer 100% protection, although it does offer much greater protection than any other contraceptive when it comes to certain stds, as well as pregnancy

as i said previously though, both need to be taught
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
As much as you want to believe that condoms are 100% effective against pregnancy, HIV, and STDs, the fact of the matter is that they are not.

Who cares? Some people still have sex, myself included, and we'll like to keep it that way. You might be old an christian, not all are like you. Besides, you know what the chances are of getting aids?
 
And besides, where did you get the report saying condoms don't work 100%? I just searched some danish sites, which said that condoms where 100% safe...
 
Originally posted by: polm

Rip, even if that Heritage Foundation (they aren't biased, are they 😉 ) article is correct, it still does not address MANY of the lies that the Waxman report points out as being taught in Abstinence Education curriculum.

Also, I must admit, as long as people are pushing for a One or the Other solution, and not admitting that BOTH Absitinence and SafeSex need to be taught as realistic choices, we will make no real progress.

That's been my point all along: That Rip and everyone else who believes in abstinence-only education is thinking as one-dimensionally as those on the opposite side of the spectrum who don't want to mention abstinence at all. Sometimes I think "abstinence only" is evangelist code for "keep them dumb and ignorant and god help them if they actually have sex."

:roll:
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: polm

Rip, even if that Heritage Foundation (they aren't biased, are they 😉 ) article is correct, it still does not address MANY of the lies that the Waxman report points out as being taught in Abstinence Education curriculum.

Also, I must admit, as long as people are pushing for a One or the Other solution, and not admitting that BOTH Absitinence and SafeSex need to be taught as realistic choices, we will make no real progress.

That's been my point all along: That Rip and everyone else who believes in abstinence-only education is thinking as one-dimensionally as those on the opposite side of the spectrum who don't want to mention abstinence at all. Sometimes I think "abstinence only" is evangelist code for "keep them dumb and ignorant and god help them if they actually have sex."

:roll:

Hehe, i love your last sentence!
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
As much as you want to believe that condoms are 100% effective against pregnancy, HIV, and STDs, the fact of the matter is that they are not.


And abstinence is only 100% effective if you can get 100% of the people to follow it.
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Riprorin
As much as you want to believe that condoms are 100% effective against pregnancy, HIV, and STDs, the fact of the matter is that they are not.


And abstinence is only 100% effective if you can get 100% of the people to follow it.

and the only way that will happen is if you strap them down to a chair and leave them in a dark basement. that way they can't masturbate either.
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Riprorin
As much as you want to believe that condoms are 100% effective against pregnancy, HIV, and STDs, the fact of the matter is that they are not.


And abstinence is only 100% effective if you can get 100% of the people to follow it.

There'd be an insane rise in the amount of rapes, i'm sure of it!
 
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
Originally posted by: Riprorin
As much as you want to believe that condoms are 100% effective against pregnancy, HIV, and STDs, the fact of the matter is that they are not.

NOBODY, and i mean NOBODY on this board at least believes that condoms are 100% succesful.

And besides, where did you get the report saying condoms don't work 100%? I just searched some danish sites, which said that condoms where 100% safe... - Forsythe
 
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Besides, you know what the chances are of getting aids?
...
And besides, where did you get the report saying condoms don't work 100%? I just searched some danish sites, which said that condoms where 100% safe...

You need to do more research.

 
Originally posted by: kranky
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Besides, you know what the chances are of getting aids?
...
And besides, where did you get the report saying condoms don't work 100%? I just searched some danish sites, which said that condoms where 100% safe...

You need to do more research.

Hold on a sec... what's the complete sentence. Safe..... from......?
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
Originally posted by: Riprorin
As much as you want to believe that condoms are 100% effective against pregnancy, HIV, and STDs, the fact of the matter is that they are not.

NOBODY, and i mean NOBODY on this board at least believes that condoms are 100% succesful.

And besides, where did you get the report saying condoms don't work 100%? I just searched some danish sites, which said that condoms where 100% safe... - Forsythe

Yer, but i'm a commie, i don't count! 😛
Show me the report dude!
 
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: kranky
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Besides, you know what the chances are of getting aids?
...
And besides, where did you get the report saying condoms don't work 100%? I just searched some danish sites, which said that condoms where 100% safe...

You need to do more research.

Hold on a sec... what's the complete sentence. Safe..... from......?

Nuclear fallout! 😛
 
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: kranky
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Besides, you know what the chances are of getting aids?
...
And besides, where did you get the report saying condoms don't work 100%? I just searched some danish sites, which said that condoms where 100% safe...

You need to do more research.

Hold on a sec... what's the complete sentence. Safe..... from......?

Nuclear fallout! 😛

Really??? *puts on a condom* Now I'm safe!
 
Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Riprorin
As much as you want to believe that condoms are 100% effective against pregnancy, HIV, and STDs, the fact of the matter is that they are not.


And abstinence is only 100% effective if you can get 100% of the people to follow it.

There'd be an insane rise in the amount of rapes, i'm sure of it!

Then that wouldn't be abstinence now, would it?

 
In the glorified Bible Belt world in which Riprorin resides, abstinence is certainly effective. However, that world ignores the fact that sexuality is a normal and healthy part of human nature, and ignores the fact that people will certainly engage in sexual activity no matter how many times you tell them that it's sinful and/or immoral. There is no doubt that condoms and other methods of STD prevention and birth control are not 100% effective. But people who are aware of these methods have that much more knowledge with which to make intelligent decisions regarding their sexuality, without having to deny human nature.

Ignorance may be bliss in that Bible Belt world, but the rest of us need to live with reality.
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
In the glorified Bible Belt world in which Riprorin resides, abstinence is certainly effective. However, that world ignores the fact that sexuality is a normal and healthy part of human nature, and ignores the fact that people will certainly engage in sexual activity no matter how many times you tell them that it's sinful and/or immoral. There is no doubt that condoms and other methods of STD prevention and birth control are not 100% effective. But people who are aware of these methods have that much more knowledge with which to make intelligent decisions regarding their sexuality, without having to deny human nature.

Ignorance may be bliss in that Bible Belt world, but the rest of us need to live with reality.

agreed....there needs to be a combination of teaching methods. Abstinence and science. Look folks, science does not necessarily contradict religion....that is always blown out of proportion. Why not teach people to have morals AND be smart...wow, what a concept! Or, you could be a fundamentalist Christian and ruin the world for the rest of us.

-Elias
 
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