Moral Dilemma - UPDATED! I tried to be nice.....the fight begins anew.

[shiner]

Originally posted by: dquan97
I bet they're still sore about it. $400 shouldn't be a big deal with them.... I recommend that you deal directly with only the owner

I was....he was the one I talked to when I went down there to write up a new receipt and give them a new check.

 

[jemcam]

Please read the topic and my first post.

Look, you know what the retail price of the item is. You had a pretty good deal until you decided to be stubborn. Now you're going to lose. I take it you've never sued anyone or been sued. Lawyers are very expensive and lawsuits take a long time. If you're trying to screw the guy out of a couple hundred dollars, you sure as hell won't be able to afford a very good attorney.

Dollar worshipping will not make you happy dude. I sure as hell wouldn't be impressed if I was at your house and you told me the story of how you got that oven. Don't you think that your friends and family will be more likely to think twice about doing business with you if they know how you treated this guy?

 

[Jzero]

Lawyers are very expensive and lawsuits take a long time.

That's why God created small claims court, and $400 is a small claim. Now lawyers, no lengthy trials. Just a Suck It! I'll see you on Judge Judy!

Don't you think that your friends and family will be more likely to think twice about doing business with you if they know how you treated this guy?

What about how "this guy" treated ShinerBurke? They arrived at a gentleman's agreement over a compromised price, and then welched on the deal? So now this dealer has welched TWICE?

 

[wyvrn]

Don't make the guy honor the $498 price. You are trying to take advantage all along. Deals like this can put a small shop out of business. Do the right thing and just buy it at full price. What happened to your ethics?

 

[Jzero]

Deals like this can put a small shop out of business.

If half of what ShinerBurke says about the way they are handling the situation is true, they deserve to go out of business.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Don't make the guy honor the $498 price. You are trying to take advantage all along. Deals like this can put a small shop out of business. Do the right thing and just buy it at full price. What happened to your ethics?

What happened to honoring a agreement?

 

[Hoober]

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Don't make the guy honor the $498 price. You are trying to take advantage all along. Deals like this can put a small shop out of business. Do the right thing and just buy it at full price. What happened to your ethics?

Why not make the guy honor the price? The owner of the business quoted him a new price and Shiner was more than friendly in helping them out. Then they try to screw him over, still. Absolutely ridiculous.

 

[BoberFett]

My $.02

They quoted him a price several times. He gave them the opportunity to change the price several times. There is no "correct" price for an item in capitalism. There's the price that two parties are willing to agree on. In this case, they agreed on a $498.

If I go to Best Buy and see a DVD I want and it's marked at $9.99, is it my duty to pay them $14.99 because that's what Circuit City down the road is selling it for? If I go to Perkins should I tell them that pancakes at the IHOP would cost more and jack up the price? Hell no.

What if the other store in town was jacking up the price on the oven by 2000%? Is it his duty to make sure he pays what the other store was selling it for? And how does one determine fair market price? What if one store sells it for $700, one for $900 and one for $1500? Should he be obligated to buy it from the place with the $700 price tag for $900 or $1500? Which price is right? In commerce there's a burden on both parties involved to be sure the transaction is acceptable to themselves and only themselves.

I think you were in the right shinerburke.

 

[dahunan]

I was originally criticizing his ethics... but he has since called and THE OWNER agreed to fix things and sell it to him for 10% above their cost and some other small fees..... shinerburke agreed with this and drove to the Appliance store to write a new check for the Price The OWNER AGREED TO....

Now the owner is backing out of his deal and lying to shinerburke and causing added stress BY HIS LIES..


Sounds a bit like Saddam and UN Resolutions....

 

[dman]

Well, now, if they want to play games --> 'geeze we can't get any from the manuf. they're on backorder.'

'Oh we got one in today but it was damaged on arrival so we sent it back.' Yadda yadda. Meanwhile you'll be waiting till hell freezes over for them to 'honor'their agreement.

'Oh it arrived today but we ordered the wrong model'.

Legally you may be entitled to it now, but, if they want to play games I doubt you'll win.

 

[BoberFett]

Gotta add one more thing.

What if every time you bought something, you got a call from the store telling you they charged you too little? "I'm sorry, that can of soup you bought was marked incorrectly. It was actually $2."

I can imagine an entire industry springing up. Like telemarketers but worse. Get on the phone with every customer and try to get a few extra bucks out of them.

 

[dahunan]

Like I said.. Get ahold of the manufacturer for this particular item and tell them about your troubles about the LIES from their POS representative. They will square things away. The AG knows you called today. the BBB knows you called today... Call the Local Chamber of Commerce too.

 

[cavemanmoron]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
This is great a conservative crook member using bill Clinton as a crutch for his behavior in the same thread.

Almost as good as Mr honerable Tex being caught lying and one with little scruples.
Do as I say not as I do.

I wouldn't label Shinerburke a crook (and definately not a wanker like Texmaster), just a Ferengi🙂 It seems that he is getting a great deal and that the store won't take a loss.

LOL hahah

 

[wyvrn]

Ok...they've made me angry again. I went down there to write them a check and get a new receipt but they would NOT not show me what their actual cost was that they would be putting the 10% on nor would they put anything on the receipt or give me anything in writing about the free delivery or $50 credit. I told them I wanted to see their actual price and the other things in it writing and but refused. At that point I told them the deal was off and I wanted it for the price I originally paid and still had the receipt for. They balked and said no, I told them they would be hearing from my attorney and walked out. I tried to be nice......now it's war.

Ok I missed that post the first time through, I think my eyes are blurring. If they pulled that on you, I would get my lawyer involved also. They are clearly trying to screw you after they made a mistake. 10% over $498 was fair, now they are being pricks. I hope you win.

 

[Gaard]

It was a mistake. Mistakes happen. You knew they were making a mistake when they quoted you the price. It was a mistake.

"Are you sure about that $498 price? Your other storefront quoted me $908 for the same model, that's quite a difference."

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Gaard
It was a mistake. Mistakes happen. You knew they were making a mistake when they quoted you the price. It was a mistake.

"Are you sure about that $498 price? Your other storefront quoted me $908 for the same model, that's quite a difference."

$908 was the cheapest place he could find it besides this one. If telling them that they should charge him $908 is being honest, then surely he'd be even more honest if he told them the list price on the website was over $1000. How high of a price makes a man honest?

 

[XZeroII]

I'm with you. You tried to be nice and you tried to compromise, but they are trying to mess with you. Now it's time to take it to the next step and get your price, plus damages. You have driven to their store, wasting time and money which could have been spent elsewhere. Talk with the owner and tell him what has happened and that you don't want to get the law involved, but you will if you have to. Give him the ball and make him make the decision. I'm sure he will give it to you right then and there. If (by some chance) he doesn't, then sue the pants off him. Owners who don't care about their customers don't deserve their stores.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Gaard
It was a mistake. Mistakes happen. You knew they were making a mistake when they quoted you the price. It was a mistake.

"Are you sure about that $498 price? Your other storefront quoted me $908 for the same model, that's quite a difference."

$908 was the cheapest place he could find it besides this one. If telling them that they should charge him $908 is being honest, then surely he'd be even more honest if he told them the list price on the website was over $1000. How high of a price makes a man honest?

The place that quoted him $908 was a different outlet of the same store...if I'm not mistaken. Shiner, is that right?

 

[ILikeStuff]

Shiner,
FVCK EM!! You are totally in the right. You have been more than reasonable. They are being asses and don't deserve to be in business. I'd be the first one to be the good guy and point out that someone gave me too much change/ whatever, but you have a written contract with them, you were reasonable and cut a very generous deal with them, but they are still jacking you around. That, my friend, is a load of crap.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: ILikeStuff
Shiner,
FVCK EM!! You are totally in the right. You have been more than reasonable. They are being asses and don't deserve to be in business. I'd be the first one to be the good guy and point out that someone gave me too much change/ whatever, but you have a written contract with them, you were reasonable and cut a very generous deal with them, but they are still jacking you around. That, my friend, is a load of crap.

Yes, they made a mistake and quoted him the wrong price. A price that Shiner knew was wrong. <<...armed with a quote that is obviously wrong but is in my favor.>> But that's beside the point. Every red-blooded, apple pie eating, baseball loving American would try and get something out of this. Hell, who in their right mind wouldn't try to take advantage of a mistake by another? And if you can't benefit from another's mistake, you're right...that's a load of crap!

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: ILikeStuff
Shiner,
FVCK EM!! You are totally in the right. You have been more than reasonable. They are being asses and don't deserve to be in business. I'd be the first one to be the good guy and point out that someone gave me too much change/ whatever, but you have a written contract with them, you were reasonable and cut a very generous deal with them, but they are still jacking you around. That, my friend, is a load of crap.

Yes, they made a mistake and quoted him the wrong price. A price that Shiner knew was wrong. <<...armed with a quote that is obviously wrong but is in my favor.>> But that's beside the point. Every red-blooded, apple pie eating, baseball loving American would try and get something out of this. Hell, who in their right mind wouldn't try to take advantage of a mistake by another? And if you can't benefit from another's mistake, you're right...that's a load of crap!

I'll ask again. When you buy a loaf of bread, do you pay what the store is asking for it or what the one down the street is asking for it? The warehouse store charges $1.19 for a loaf of bread but the gas station charges $2.49. Surely the warehouse is wrong. You'd better pay the warehouse $2.49.

 

[Jzero]

Now it's time to take it to the next step and get your price, plus damages.

I guess that's where my moral divide is. What damages? Aside from a few phone calls and a rant on ATOT, what damage has ShinerBurke suffered? I agree with suing to force the vendor to honor the deal that they voluntarily entered into and consummated, mainly to teach the vendor to be more careful, and to not be stupid when you are caught screwing up.

I think suing for "damages" above the agreed upon price is purely greedy.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: ILikeStuff
Shiner,
FVCK EM!! You are totally in the right. You have been more than reasonable. They are being asses and don't deserve to be in business. I'd be the first one to be the good guy and point out that someone gave me too much change/ whatever, but you have a written contract with them, you were reasonable and cut a very generous deal with them, but they are still jacking you around. That, my friend, is a load of crap.

Yes, they made a mistake and quoted him the wrong price. A price that Shiner knew was wrong. <<...armed with a quote that is obviously wrong but is in my favor.>> But that's beside the point. Every red-blooded, apple pie eating, baseball loving American would try and get something out of this. Hell, who in their right mind wouldn't try to take advantage of a mistake by another? And if you can't benefit from another's mistake, you're right...that's a load of crap!

I'll ask again. When you buy a loaf of bread, do you pay what the store is asking for it or what the one down the street is asking for it? The warehouse store charges $1.19 for a loaf of bread but the gas station charges $2.49. Surely the warehouse is wrong. You'd better pay the warehouse $2.49.

I don't think we're on the same page. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the places that quoted $908 and $498 run by the same people? Wouldn't that mean that the prices would probably be the same (or at least pretty darn close)?

The point isn't that you pay for a cheaper loaf of bread. The point is you pay for the loaf that you know has the wrong price on it.

<<armed with a quote that is obviously wrong but is in my favor.>>

Edit: It's really no skin off my teeth, but I just wanted to point out that while Shiner may legally be entitled, it's wrong. Does he say "I think you made a mistake when you quoted me that price." Or does he go over to his buddy's house and give him a high-five..."Dude! I fvckin ripped off the appliance store!"

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: ILikeStuff
Shiner,
FVCK EM!! You are totally in the right. You have been more than reasonable. They are being asses and don't deserve to be in business. I'd be the first one to be the good guy and point out that someone gave me too much change/ whatever, but you have a written contract with them, you were reasonable and cut a very generous deal with them, but they are still jacking you around. That, my friend, is a load of crap.

Yes, they made a mistake and quoted him the wrong price. A price that Shiner knew was wrong. <<...armed with a quote that is obviously wrong but is in my favor.>> But that's beside the point. Every red-blooded, apple pie eating, baseball loving American would try and get something out of this. Hell, who in their right mind wouldn't try to take advantage of a mistake by another? And if you can't benefit from another's mistake, you're right...that's a load of crap!

I'll ask again. When you buy a loaf of bread, do you pay what the store is asking for it or what the one down the street is asking for it? The warehouse store charges $1.19 for a loaf of bread but the gas station charges $2.49. Surely the warehouse is wrong. You'd better pay the warehouse $2.49.

I don't think we're on the same page. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the places that quoted $908 and $498 run by the same people? Wouldn't that mean that the prices would probably be the same (or at least pretty darn close)?

The point isn't that you pay for a cheaper loaf of bread. The point is you pay for the loaf that you know has the wrong price on it.

<<armed with a quote that is obviously wrong but is in my favor.>>

And you apparently don't understand my other point earlier in the thread. There's no such thing as a wrong price in capitalism. If the price is agreed upon by both the buyer and seller, that's the right price. If they don't agree, there's no deal. They agreed here.

That's part of the beauty of capitalism. Everything is worth exactly what is paid for it.

 

[Ornery]

The reason I wanted to know "their price" is because I have no idea how much appliances are marked up. I know outfits like Maytag has fixed prices, so their resellers aren't competing on price, so who knows what the dealer's cost is? I doubt the mark-up is that much. Surely not 40%!