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dmcowen674

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"Bush would withdraw the United States from the International Space Station by 2010 and retire the space shuttle fleet at about the same time, McClellan suggested that other countries, perhaps including Russia, would share in the project and help bear the costs. "Russia would have some important contributions," McClellan said. "

Like Russia would do that after we have the ISS splashed just like MIR but way before it's time? :confused:
 

tallest1

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How ironic that the people who will be involved in this endeavor will be the same people Bush screwed over in the Education department.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"Bush would withdraw the United States from the International Space Station by 2010 and retire the space shuttle fleet at about the same time, McClellan suggested that other countries, perhaps including Russia, would share in the project and help bear the costs. "Russia would have some important contributions," McClellan said. "

Like Russia would do that after we have the ISS splashed just like MIR but way before it's time? :confused:

Technical contributions - Yes

Financial - No.

They could not give their agreed on funding for the IIS.
This will be much more costly and their economy is slidding downhill.

 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: tallest1
How ironic that the people who will be involved in this endeavor will be the same people Bush screwed over in the Education department.

If you are refering to the No child initiative, the target group will not be at the age and/or experience to assist here.

 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"Bush would withdraw the United States from the International Space Station by 2010 and retire the space shuttle fleet at about the same time, McClellan suggested that other countries, perhaps including Russia, would share in the project and help bear the costs. "Russia would have some important contributions," McClellan said. "

Like Russia would do that after we have the ISS splashed just like MIR but way before it's time? :confused:

The ISS is a useless piece of metal floating in space. A useless piece of metal the US paid the vast majority for. Russia cant even keep its end of the bargin in regards to the ISS, like they would have money to do anything else.
 

Czar

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Oct 9, 1999
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why bother sending people there at this point?

too much energy and space (and money) is wasted in creating a propper living conditions for people in space
 

CaptnKirk

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The two biggest reasons to invest in the Space Program are Texas and Florida.
Bushes 'State' with all the Aerospace companies and Housten Space Center,
then there's Bubba Jeb and the Space Center and more Aerospace companies.

How long will it take the Republicans to rename the Kennedy Space Center
into the Ronald Reagan Memorial Space Operational Launch Extravaganza.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirkHow long will it take the Republicans to rename the Kennedy Space Center
into the Ronald Reagan Memorial Space Operational Launch Extravaganza.

Doubt that will happen.

Kennedy had the vision to start the thrust into space, plan for the agency and energize the population behind the idea. (Yes, the USSR had some influence also)

Reagan came by long afterwards and did nothing special to promote the Space.

 

amok

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Hmm, makes a man consider possibilities. A big part of me would love to be involved in something like this. If I could find an attractive female techie to make the trip with me, and they would allow me to set up a distillery, I would go in a second ;).
 

charrison

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Shame they are going to take another 6 years to scuttle the shuttle.

Maybe it will only be used for limited use between now and then.
 

Genesys

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
The two biggest reasons to invest in the Space Program are Texas and Florida.
Bushes 'State' with all the Aerospace companies and Housten Space Center,
then there's Bubba Jeb and the Space Center and more Aerospace companies.

How long will it take the Republicans to rename the Kennedy Space Center
into the Ronald Reagan Memorial Space Operational Launch Extravaganza.

lol, thats a pretty good conspiracy theorey.

i like how everything that Bush does is done only for the benefit of his family or friends and never for the good of the US.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: charrison
Shame they are going to take another 6 years to scuttle the shuttle.

Maybe it will only be used for limited use between now and then.

It will take about that long to bring an alternative up to manned launch.

I will happen though. BDB (Big Dumb Boosters) do make the most sense with todays technology.

If we ever are able to build a space elevator, then that's even better.

That's where research dollars should go. Being able to produce large quanties of materials of sufficient strength would be the greatest advancement since steel.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: charrison
Shame they are going to take another 6 years to scuttle the shuttle.

Maybe it will only be used for limited use between now and then.

It will take about that long to bring an alternative up to manned launch.

I will happen though. BDB (Big Dumb Boosters) do make the most sense with todays technology.

If we ever are able to build a space elevator, then that's even better.

That's where research dollars should go. Being able to produce large quanties of materials of sufficient strength would be the greatest advancement since steel.

We have big dumb boosters, just none rated for carrying people.
While we are rebuilding a saturn 5 equivilent, we could pay the russions to carry people to ISS.
 

Zephyr106

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The ISS is a useless piece of metal floating in space. A useless piece of metal the US paid the vast majority for.

By that definition a future US Moon base would be a useless collection of modules and moon dust? The only thing I don't like about this proposal is the pull out of the ISS. It provides a zero gravity laboratory, ideal for testing long term human physiological effects in preperation for any trip to Mars. The Moon is low grav and wouldn't offer any advantages in this department.

BTW supposedly one of the big reasons for this space push is that Cheney told Bush military advantages could come off it. A "son of SDI" capability, i.e. the hawks' wet dream.

Zephyr
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Zephyr106
The ISS is a useless piece of metal floating in space. A useless piece of metal the US paid the vast majority for.

By that definition a future US Moon base would be a useless collection of modules and moon dust? The only thing I don't like about this proposal is the pull out of the ISS. It provides a zero gravity laboratory, ideal for testing long term human physiological effects in preperation for any trip to Mars. The Moon is low grav and wouldn't offer any advantages in this department.

BTW supposedly one of the big reasons for this space push is that Cheney told Bush military advantages could come off it. A "son of SDI" capability, i.e. the hawks' wet dream.

Zephyr

It is a waste because we lack the infrastructure to support the space station. The shuttle at this point is too expensive and quite possibly too dangerious.
 

Tripleshot

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Anyone else notice all this feel good B...S... Shrub is "proposing" is Just before the State of The Union Address and in a re-election year he has real cause to worry about? :D
 

rahvin

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Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
The two biggest reasons to invest in the Space Program are Texas and Florida.
Bushes 'State' with all the Aerospace companies and Housten Space Center,
then there's Bubba Jeb and the Space Center and more Aerospace companies.

How long will it take the Republicans to rename the Kennedy Space Center
into the Ronald Reagan Memorial Space Operational Launch Extravaganza.

lol, thats a pretty good conspiracy theorey.

i like how everything that Bush does is done only for the benefit of his family or friends and never for the good of the US.

The good of the american people would be served by balancing the fvcking budget. First 86 billion on Iraq, now billions more on space. Why don't we just spend the next 50 years worth of money all in the span of 8 years.
 

charrison

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Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Anyone else notice all this feel good B...S... Shrub is "proposing" is Just before the State of The Union Address and in a re-election year he has real cause to worry about? :D

Possibly, but he has been giving nasa more budget money every year and i doubt anyone could effecitly argue that nasa does not need a new big project.
 

Zorba

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Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
The two biggest reasons to invest in the Space Program are Texas and Florida.
Bushes 'State' with all the Aerospace companies and Housten Space Center,
then there's Bubba Jeb and the Space Center and more Aerospace companies.

How long will it take the Republicans to rename the Kennedy Space Center
into the Ronald Reagan Memorial Space Operational Launch Extravaganza.

lol, thats a pretty good conspiracy theorey.

i like how everything that Bush does is done only for the benefit of his family or friends and never for the good of the US.

The good of the american people would be served by balancing the fvcking budget. First 86 billion on Iraq, now billions more on space. Why don't we just spend the next 50 years worth of money all in the span of 8 years.



I think if we go back to the moon and then on to Mars, we will more than get our money's worth out of NASA.