Moody's: Clinton economy would create 10 million jobs

[LegendKiller]

The fact that Trump outsourced his own jobs to pay lower wages says enough about him. Federal law says that you can only bring in foreign workers on H1B visa if there are no American workers to perform the work and if you do you still have to pay them the same salary as an American worker.

What? Hot women?

 

[werepossum]

Moody's forgot to mention the biggest benefit of Mrs. Clinton's economy: The incredible environmental benefits of every American traveling exclusively by free flying unicorns.

From the people who brought you Triple A rated junk bonds - Triple A rated junk government!

I'm just sad that we cannot get a more reliable prediction now that Miss Cleo has passed.

 

[Joepublic2]

The fact that Trump outsourced his own jobs to pay lower wages says enough about him. Federal law says that you can only bring in foreign workers on H1B visa if there are no American workers to perform the work and if you do you still have to pay them the same salary as an American worker.

*Post ads for a job at half the market rate with ridiculous requirements nobody can meet (10 years experience in a programming language that's only existed for 5 years, etc.)*

*When few apply and nobody is hired because nobody can meet the ridiculous requirements, cry "SEE, AMERICANS ARE ENTITLED AND LAZY AND UNTRAINED SO WE NEED TO IMPORT 100 PPL"*

*Headhunter companies import 100 ppl via H1B, abuse the hell out of them and pay them peanuts, middle manning away most of their wages; they take the abuse because it's their best option*

*Company/Wallstreet/Headhunters profit, repeat*

I don't know what the actual law states, but this is how it works out in practice.

 

[Art&Science]

I saw this too but thought it sounded too good to be true, just make a few simple changes and there will be 10 million more jobs!

If it's that easy why doesn't Hillary just give the secrets to Obama and let's start now. Why didn't she give him the secrets 8 years ago? ()

Oh, maybe because it's bullshit.

 

[fskimospy]

If it's that easy why doesn't Hillary just give the secrets to Obama and let's start now. Why didn't she give him the secrets 8 years ago? ()

Oh, maybe because it's bullshit.

It's not like Obama isn't aware of most of these policies, it's that the Republicans in Congress refuse to pass them. When Clinton wins not that much will happen because Republicans will almost certainly control the house and I imagine they will be as obstructionist under Clinton as they are currently.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

If it's that easy why doesn't Hillary just give the secrets to Obama and let's start now. Why didn't she give him the secrets 8 years ago? ()

Oh, maybe because it's bullshit.

Yup I agree, I also say 18 months ago Trump had a no fail plan to defeat ISIS. Why hasn't he shared it?

 

[TheGardener]

Yup I agree, I also say 18 months ago Trump had a no fail plan to defeat ISIS. Why hasn't he shared it?

Yes, Obama's strategy of giving ISIS 45 minutes notice before attacking is a much better way to go. Well it is better than the previous Obama strategy of talking up how the US was going to stop ISIS, and not actually doing anything.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Yes, Obama's strategy of giving ISIS 45 minutes notice before attacking is a much better way to go. Well it is better than the previous Obama strategy of talking up how the US was going to stop ISIS, and not actually doing anything.

Completely unrelated to your previous post

 

[TheGardener]

Completely unrelated to your previous post

You are right. I should not have responded to your unrelated and off-topic post.

 

[LegendKiller]

Yup I agree, I also say 18 months ago Trump had a no fail plan to defeat ISIS. Why hasn't he shared it?

He said to go after the oil, the finally did. But not until they were able to recruit and train hundreds or thousands.

Obama is a fucking failure against isis. His entire syria strategy was a fucking failure. As was libya and Egypt, and Iraq and iran, and Afghanistan.

Who, exactly, is the jv team?

 

[fskimospy]

He said to go after the oil, the finally did. But not until they were able to recruit and train hundreds or thousands.

Obama is a fucking failure against isis. His entire syria strategy was a fucking failure. As was libya and Egypt, and Iraq and iran, and Afghanistan.

Who, exactly, is the jv team?

No, he said he had a foolproof plan that he wouldn't tell anyone because he didn't want to give away its secrets. You know as well as the rest of us do that he was lying yet again.

Say it with me: Trump is a pathological liar. He is genuinely mentally ill.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's not like Obama isn't aware of most of these policies, it's that the Republicans in Congress refuse to pass them. When Clinton wins not that much will happen because Republicans will almost certainly control the house and I imagine they will be as obstructionist under Clinton as they are currently.

Republicans against Jobs? Say it ain't so!

 

[Sonikku]

I do not doubt that Hillary's administration will create jobs. I merely question as for which country she will be creating them for.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

He said to go after the oil, the finally did. But not until they were able to recruit and train hundreds or thousands.

Obama is a fucking failure against isis. His entire syria strategy was a fucking failure. As was libya and Egypt, and Iraq and iran, and Afghanistan.

Who, exactly, is the jv team?

Fsky beat me to it.

Regarding Syria sometimes good enough is well good enough. There are no verifiable US friendly rebels why get involved with a fight that's not ours. I will say unless more people want to get involved and have a decent plan and are in it for the long term I'm alright with what we're doing.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Republicans support laissez-faire so their rich business owners can do whatever the hell they want to without any oversight. Democrats want to provide strict controls preventing the rich from reverting back to the beginnings of the industrial revolution and the massive labor issues that resulted from it. If you don't know anything about labor law you really should try to understand that working people are not supported by the republican party. Efficiency, equity and voice need to be balanced between the employer and the employee.

 

[LegendKiller]

Yeah, hill getting 145mm from Russians is not bending to big business.

 

[Zaap]

It's funny how we need "Clinton's economy" to create 10 million jobs.


Gee, we've DROPPED the BULLSHIT that the Obama economy is already taking care of that already? That quick huh? Even months before the coronation?

LOL @ political hacks.

 

[Zaap]

If it's that easy why doesn't Hillary just give the secrets to Obama and let's start now. Why didn't she give him the secrets 8 years ago? ()

Oh, maybe because it's bullshit.

LOL no way man! Obama can't be held responsible for anything happened on his watch in 8 YEARS!

It's TRUMP's fault!

 

[1prophet]

Republicans support laissez-faire so their rich business owners can do whatever the hell they want to without any oversight. Democrats want to provide strict controls preventing the rich from reverting back to the beginnings of the industrial revolution and the massive labor issues that resulted from it. If you don't know anything about labor law you really should try to understand that working people are not supported by the republican party. Efficiency, equity and voice need to be balanced between the employer and the employee.

Stop spreading bullshit, your sacrosanct democrats are bought and paid for by Corporate/Bankster America, they're just smart enough not to wear it on their sleeves like Republicans.

These are just snippets, there is more at the links if you are more than just a partisan Koolaid drinking fluffy bunny for your favorite political team.


https://www.thenation.com/article/how-democratic-party-lost-its-soul/

How the Democratic Party Lost Its Soul

The trouble started when the party abandoned its working-class base.


The blowout election of 2014 demonstrates that the Democratic Party is utterly out of touch with ordinary people and their adverse circumstances. Working people have known this for some time now, but this year, the president made the disconnection more obvious. Barack Obama kept telling folks to brighten up: the economy is coming back, he said, and prosperity is just around the corner.


A party truly connected to the people would never have dared to make such a claim. In the real world of voters, human experience trumps macroeconomics and the slowly declining official unemployment rate. An official at the AFL-CIO culled the following insights from what voters said about themselves on Election Day: 54 percent suffered a decline in household income during the past year. Sixty-three percent feel the economy is fundamentally unfair. Fifty-five percent agree strongly (and another 25 percent agree somewhat) that both political parties are too focused on helping Wall Street and not enough on helping ordinary people.


Instead of addressing this reality and proposing remedies, the Democrats ran on a cowardly, uninspiring platform: the Republicans are worse than we are. Undoubtedly, that’s true—but so what? The president and his party have no credible solutions to offer. To get serious about inequality and the deteriorating middle class, Democrats would have to undo a lot of the damage their own party has done to the economy over the past thirty years

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/04/08/big-union-leaders-betray-sanders-and-workers

Listening to the nurses union head speak out for Sanders’ strong pro-labor history, Lee Saunders, president of AFSCME, interrupted her, exclaiming: “I will not allow you to do a commercial for Sanders.” She retorted, “You mean for the only candidate who has a 100% labor record?”


A union leader of postal workers charged the unions backing Hillary as being “completely out of touch with their workers.” AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka then cut off their microphones.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-democrats-betrayal-of-labor-unions/25256

One can see his contempt for the working class, acting as if the lives of Canadian, Mexican, and American workers aren’t really that big of a deal, that what occurs to them is negligible. In that same article he states that “over the long run, NAFTA will employ more of everybody,” however, just as with Bill Clinton, he was quite incorrect. A while after NAFTA was signed into law by Bill Clinton in the name of the “free market,” The US Department of Labor “certified that well over half a million U.S. workers lost their jobs due to NAFTA” [4] and the Economic Policy Institute stated that “The resulting $30 billion U.S. net export deficit with these countries [Mexico and Canada] in 1993 increased by 281% to $85 billion in 2002” [5] and that NAFTA has resulted in job losses in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.


Under President Obama, things have only gotten worse as multi-billion dollar corporations are given handouts and labor is left to suffer. Just last month, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner revealed that the Obama administration wants to lower “the top corporate tax rate from the current 35 percent to less than 30 percent and as low as 26 percent.” [6] The Democrats have now gone the route of the right-wing by allowing “the super rich to recklessly dominate the economy while giving them massive handouts.” [7]


All the while this is going on; unions are running a fool’s errand as they continue to support the Democratic Party when they are blatantly looking out for the interests of corporations instead of the worker.

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/15041-democrats-and-labor-a-tale-of-abuse

Obama has continued this rightwards trajectory, while portraying himself brilliantly as the “lesser evil” compared with the more honest anti-union rhetoric of the Republicans. He fulfilled none of his promises to labor in 2008, and essentially ignored all labor issues in his 2012 campaign. Labor leaders misinterpreted Obama as playing “hard to get,” when in fact the Democratic Party had already moved on.


To prove his fidelity to his new crush, Wall Street, Obama has made it a pet project to target the most powerful union in the country — the teachers’ union — for destruction. Obama’s innocent-sounding Race to the Top education reform is in actuality an anti-union dismembering of public education, with its promotion of charter schools and its mass closings of public high schools that Obama labels as “failing.” Bush, Jr.’s anti-union No Child Left Behind looks innocent compared to Obama’s education “reform.”
In fact, Obama has overseen the worst environment for organized labor since Ronald Reagan. But the problem is bigger than Obama. It’s the entire Democratic Party. For example, Democratic governors across the United States continue to work in tandem with Republicans in weakening public employee unions — the last bastion of real strength in the labor movement.


The Democrats have chosen to blame labor unions for the economic crisis and the consequent budget deficits affecting the states. These deficits have been used to attack the wages, health care, and pensions of public employees on a state-by-state basis, fundamentally weakening these unions while skewing the labor market in favor of the employers.
What some labor leaders fail to understand is that political parties like the Democrats are centralized organizations that share certain beliefs, and execute these ideas in a united fashion. It isn’t merely a coincidence that every Democratic governor in the United States has chosen a similar anti-labor path as its policy. There has been a fundamental shift in the Democratic Party’s relation to labor unions, and it is on display for everyone to see.

http://www.newenglishreview.org/Lor...ocracy:_How_Democrats_Betrayed_Their_Origins/

Thomas Frank, in his forthright tirade (Listen, Liberal!) over the Democrats' betrayal of their original union and working class sympathy, justifiably asks this question about the Democrats' perpetual excuse that the stubborn plutocrat Republicans have prevented them from enacting progressive public policies and legislation to help the less fortunate: isn't it possible that the Democrats NEVER wanted these policies to succeed in the first place?

And that they counted on the Republicans to do their dirty work for them? The late political historian Walter Karp, whose writings in The Public Life spurred my political activism, wrote about this in detail in his book Indispensable Enemies: those who keep you from doing something you didn't want to do in the first place.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I had a 4.0 GPA in business, employment and labor law so I don't drink from the same spigot.