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Monsignor Blames Gay Men for Scandal

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Monsignor Blames Gay Men for Scandal

By ELIZABETH LESURE
Associated Press Writer

April 22, 2002, 6:18 AM EDT

NEW YORK -- As Cardinal Edward Egan headed to the
Vatican for a summit on sexual abuse, his stand-in at
St. Patrick's Cathedral gave a homily blaming the
scandal on homosexuality and an "immoral country."

Monsignor Eugene Clark, an outspoken clergyman of
the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York, called
homosexuality a "disorder" and said gay men should
not be allowed to become priests, the Daily News
reported in Monday's editions.

"The tendency to homosexuality is a disorder, not a
sin," Clark said in his 15-minute sermon Sunday. "But
the practice of homosexuality is truly sinful."

Clark also said the United States is "probably the most
immoral country certainly in the Western Hemisphere"
and blamed American society for being "very
protective" of homosexuality.

Egan named Clark rector of St. Patrick's after taking over for Cardinal John
O'Connor more than one year ago.

Before leaving for Rome, Egan asked parishioners at a Bronx church to pray for
him and other American cardinals as they prepared to leave for Rome to address
the sex abuse scandal with the pope.

"Please keep us in your prayers these next four or five days," Egan told the
congregation at St. Anthony of Padua Church in the Morrisania section.

He asked the congregation of about 150 people to "keep in your prayers the
meeting we're going to have in Rome. We're facing a very tragic situation. Our
Holy Father wishes to speak with us about this and we're anxious to hear what
he has to say."

Egan, the former bishop of Bridgeport, Conn., whose handling of sexual abuse
cases there has come under heavy criticism, did not directly address the
criticism against him.

Also Sunday, in a letter from Bishop Thomas Daily, parishioners in the Diocese
of Brooklyn were told that the names of 21 priests, stretching back some 20
years, were given to the district attorney's office of Brooklyn and Queens
counties.

Copyright © 2002, The Associated Press


Gee whiz, they just now figured out that homosexual men were in the hierarchy. Catholics have known it for years. Sometimes I think that the church hierarchy has collectively studied the ostrich family to fix these problems for the past 100 years. Every time there is a scandal it seems like most of the leadership sticks their head into the sand. 😛

Glad to see someone has spoken out against 1) the practice of homosexuality, 2) immorality in America (because it makes a difference IMO), and 3) practicing homosexuals in the church hierarchy. A Monsignor making this statement would have been quickly removed less than 6 months ago. This scandal may actually do some good for a change.

Nef-

I could link to the AP wire but they change the articles on there by mid-morning so the link would be short-lived. Most of these articles end up in your newspaper so perhaps it will be found there, too?
 
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<< Clark also said the United States is "probably the most
immoral country certainly in the Western Hemisphere"
and blamed American society for being "very
protective" of homosexuality.
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You have GOT to be kidding me. The monsignor's arrogance is unbelievable - the real problem is the fact that HIS church has been overweeningly protective of known child molesters, and that the Catholic chuch as a whole insists on a celibate clergy (if, as the monsignor proposes, homosexual men are excluded from the clergy, there will be about three men left in the country who are interested in becoming priests - it seems obvious to me that the celibate clergy mostly attracts men who are ashamed of their own sexuality).

I am not generally predisposed against the church, but I find their conduct in connection with incidents of child molestation despicable, and the fact that the monsignor is trying to place the blame outside of the church is indefensible.
 


<< Glad to see someone has spoken out against 1) the practice of homosexuality >>

Glad to see there still isn't hatred towards homosexuals here in America
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If he thinks we are protective of homosexuality, he obviously has never been to where I live. Most immoral country. The best part is "did not directly address the criticism against him". What a jerkwad.

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<< Glad to see there still isn't hatred towards homosexuals here in America >>



Glad to see the PC thought police is as strong as ever here in America
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<< Clark also said the United States is "probably the most
immoral country certainly in the Western Hemisphere"
and blamed American society for being "very
protective" of homosexuality.
>>



You have GOT to be kidding me. The monsignor's arrogance is unbelievable - the real problem is the fact that HIS church has been overweeningly protective of known child molesters, and that the Catholic chuch as a whole insists on a celibate clergy (if, as the monsignor proposes, homosexual men are excluded from the clergy, there will be about three men left in the country who are interested in becoming priests - it seems obvious to me that the celibate clergy mostly attracts men who are ashamed of their own sexuality).

I am not generally predisposed against the church, but I find their conduct in connection with incidents of child molestation despicable, and the fact that the monsignor is trying to place the blame outside of the church is indefensible.
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Yep. He's part of the problem, and definitely not part of the solution. Blame homosexuality, that's it.. blame anything but the Church's own conduct. Nice.
 
All major protestant religions came from Catholic church @ one time or another, I suspect we'll see a larger split between US Catholics & the Vatican in the very near future.

This can spin out of control worldwide for the Catholic church, the abuse of children by Catholic priests is not specific to the US, they're playing the shell game & trying to keep the rest of the world toting the Vatican's line of BS...
 
I am not generally predisposed against the church, but I find their conduct in connection with incidents of child molestation despicable, and the fact that the monsignor is trying to place the blame outside of the church is indefensible.

Amen brother!
 


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<< Glad to see there still isn't hatred towards homosexuals here in America >>



Glad to see the PC thought police is as strong as ever here in America
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please explain your statement. he never tried to prevent or hinder the other guy from expressing his opinion. he's just voicing his own opinion. one could say you're part of the "thought police" if that is all it takes.
 
To me the entire statement is terribly ironic. I think the whole child-molester-turned-priest phenomenon happens like this:

1) John is gay.

2) John is from a Catholic upbringing, and his parents (and people like the esteemed monsignor) have always told him that homosexuality is sinful and evil. He feels (perhaps correctly) that he will be ostracized by his family and his church if he comes out of the closet.

3) The angst and pain he feels alienate him from others, making interpersonal relationships a challenge. He is not much interested in dating women, anyway, and it is unacceptable to date men due to #2.

4) John feels the clergy will provide a "safe" environment - if he devotes himself totally to God, he will stop having impure thoughts toward men.

5) John becomes a priest, and discovers that homosexual pedophilia is in fact prevalent in the church. He still cannot have a loving sexual relationship with an adult due to the stigma and the fact that his career as a priest would end, but there is no shortage of available children to serve as sex partners, and so the cycle of abuse begins.

To me, the marginalizing of gays by "holy men" like this idiot monsignor is probably the most influential factor in what makes the priesthood a bastion of child molesters.
 


<< it seems obvious to me that the celibate clergy mostly attracts men who are ashamed of their own sexuality >>


It doesn't seem so obvious to me. Believe it or not, there are men who can devote themselves wholly to God and not "need" sex. A celibate clergy isn't to blame for pedophelia. Blame the hierarchy for providing a "safe" haven for pedophile priests.
 


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<< Glad to see there still isn't hatred towards homosexuals here in America >>


Glad to see the PC thought police is as strong as ever here in America
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what did gay people ever do to you?
 
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