In the past mods have closed down threads about religion because they have no politics or news. Considering this is a troll thread why not apply that policy consistently, as in here.
cybrsage
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I never understood where Christianity got those beliefs...they are NOT part of Judaism. Judaism uses wine continuously and Jesus Himself created wine from water. King David, who God loved, danced and sang and drank.
The sin is not in the drinking or the dancing, it is in drinking to excess and dancing to sexually attract someone who you should not have sexual relations with.
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Steeplerot
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Religion is a choice in ideas passed on through generations and word of mouth, nothing more. You can change your religion like underwear unlike Race/Sex etc. -these would constitute a call of bigotry.
When someone can show me a Jesus chromosome you inherit when you get baptized get back to us. Till then here's a hanky, keep your chin up.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry
Bigotry
A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs. The predominant usage in modern English refers to persons hostile to those of differing sex, race, ethnicity, religious beliefs or spirituality, nationality, language, inter-regional prejudice, gender and/or sexual orientation, age, homelessness, various medical disorders particularly behavioral disorders and addictive disorders.
The old Greek and Roman gods did seem a lot more interesting. We learned a lot about Greek gods in elementary. This was at a catholic school.
Having multiple gods seems easier to understand. The one god is both loving and hateful. In the old testament he can be argued with, but in the new testament he is more an abstract idea; not an actual person. Greek gods were much simpler. They were basically just people who had power. They have mood swings. Sometimes they are nice, sometimes they are assholes. They're not really worshipped as much as they are respected. Neptune controls the sea, so I should hope he allows me to pass. Praying to him won't help, so all we can do is be hopeful that he's in a good mood today.
Steeplerot
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Meh, that is a super broad view. Religion is not discriminatory, it is a choice thing. I don't buy it. Same difference as me saying Intel sucks ass if I was a AMD fanboi. Religion is a opinion not based in any reality or evidence. I think squash tastes nowhere near as good compared to asparagus. This would be bigotry to whoever wrote that in the wiki also.
This page is highly contested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bigotry#what_is_not_bigotry
If you could prove that my views on religion are not based in logic and I still defended it then that would be bigotry, so show me evidence of religion besides a opinion.
I will gladly admit I had a flawed view. Good luck!
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Most anthropologic analyses of polytheistic religions suggest that many gods began as regional gods, which became incorporated into a larger mythos as villages interacted with each other. Some were demonized and negative attributes assigned due to conflict and reassignment by the victor. (the common conception of the devil is originally the celtic god of the wood/hunt). Also many anthropologists suggest that a monotheistic earthmother religions predate most polytheistic mythos.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_(making_excuses)
Rationalization
In psychology and logic, rationalization (also known as making excuses) is an unconscious defense mechanism in which perceived controversial behaviors or feelings are logically justified and explained in a rational or logical manner in order to avoid any true explanation, and are made consciously tolerable-- or even admirable and superior-- by plausible means. Rationalization encourages irrational or unacceptable behavior, motives, or feelings and often involves ad hoc hypothesizing. This process ranges from fully conscious (e.g. to present an external defense against ridicule from others) to mostly subconscious (e.g. to create a block against internal feelings of guilt).
People rationalize for various reasons. Rationalization may differentiate the original deterministic explanation of the behavior or feeling in question. Sometimes rationalization occurs when we think we know ourselves better than we do. It is also an informal fallacy of reasoning.
Steeplerot
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Uh huh. Prove that my bias is not based in logic or that the opinion on that wiki (which is highly contested) is set in stone and I would maybe agree.
Criticizing a opinion is not bigotry unless the person criticizing steadfastly will not accept evidence that it is NOT an opinion but a truth. Which you cannot do. This is all laid out in the wiki comments you linked.
Like I said, good luck convincing anyone that my opinion on a opinion is discriminatory thus bigotry. It is up to the one making huge leaps in logic to prove their opinion as a unchangeable fact, which you cannot do.
And btw, wiki is always a work in progress. This is exactly why they have debate for these types of topics. There is always someone trying to twist something to cover their untenable bias.
Get back to us when religion can be proved as fact, is a actual race with DNA or like having big ears you cannot change.
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sm625
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Religion serves one major purpose: mass control of populations. Another, more minor purpose of all these made up bullcrap religions is to prevent the formation of any religion based on anything real or truthful whatsoever. For example, take singularity. We are rushing headlong into a convergence of biotechnology that seems to focus on some point in the future. Yet there is no religion based on the concept of a new form of life emerging from this chaotic convergence. No religion. There is very little even in films or books or art of any sort. I find that quite odd. We have things like Borg in Star Trek, but what I'm thinking of is not something human or even remotely human at all. Our culture attempts to paint a human face on it, like with the Borg, or the Matrix.
lol, so instead of advancing why monotheism is superior to polytheism, this guy just cries bigotry. Typical christian.
Steeplerot
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If it were not for their victim trip I don't even see how they would be even relevant in 2012.
Oh well, whatever keeps their collection plates full. I am sure their funny hat leaders need new cadillacs.
I agree with nearly everything you wrote, but this seems a little silly. Are you saying that no society prior to learning of the ten commandments had laws against murder?
While I'm not too knowledgeable on the history of ancient legal systems, I find it very hard to believe that there was not some law against murder in any society prior to the 10 commandments AND after the 10 commandments but prior to the story hitting that area.
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Exactly, there were laws and religions a long time before the idea of the 10 commandments and it is safe to assume that in order to live in a group and farm so you can make beer, you need to not kill the people who help you farm and make beer.
The truth is all law, all science, all societal advancement was made for one purpose. To brew beer.
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I've hardly said a word and you already have me pegged as a "typical christian"...oh the irony of it all.
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Being a bit of a fan of ancient Egypt this is although funny far more accurate then assigning some revoloution in morality to the rather recent (in comparison to old kingdom) Christian texts.
Tenenit the egyptian booze goddess was around before some dehydrated dude in the desert talked to a burning bush.
I gotta say those 10 commandments were pretty cool when those pesky nazis opened the Ark and their eyeballs melted though.
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Monotheism is worse than polytheism, at least the latter acknowledges the possibility of multiple gods.
Both are still retarded though.
Both are still retarded though.
Monotheism seems obsessed with snow white perfection.
While polytheism has a ready explanation for the bad shit that happens in life: the god of the realm was in a bad mood.
When bad things happen in monotheism (I'm only really familiar with Christianity...) it is the devil and possibly related to a moral failing of the person.
While polytheism has a ready explanation for the bad shit that happens in life: the god of the realm was in a bad mood.
When bad things happen in monotheism (I'm only really familiar with Christianity...) it is the devil and possibly related to a moral failing of the person.
also, if something bad happens to a monotheist, he thinks that the only god has forsaken him and it goes into all aspects of his life. A polytheist OTOH can segment it away as the work of an angry god in that section of the world.
Saint Nick
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If this is your understanding of Christianity, then you're really not at all familiar with Christianity.
To your first point, the Bible states that nobody is capable of snow-white perfection (Romans 3:23), so it is clear that the Bible is not "obsessed with it". Nor does the Bible require that Christians be perfect.
To your second point, sin can certainly cause bad things to happen, but sometimes bad things just happen. Sometimes, we don't understand why the bad things are happening. But Christians don't run around saying, "The Devil made me do it!"
To your third point, Christians don't automatically believe that God has forsaken them when bad things happen to them. However, it is OK and perfectly natural (even for Christians!) to feel that way during times of crisis. Job did. David did. Even Jesus did. But none of them cursed God for it, and none of them lost faith in God's plan for them.
I'm not trying to convert you. I'm simply saying that you don't have Christianity as figured out as you might think you do.
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