Money is a tool of evil

[RobCur]

It makes people go to war for private interest. It controls people as if their sheeps. Lack of money means you never have enough to spend due to not being in control of money. Money is war power, money is destructive to the environment, it deprives people of their basic needs by making them work their ass off just for it while the one in control, the bankers live a life of luxury. It fuckingsucks, I am pissed as hell. :|

PS: It maybe true that we can't all be rich but does the few deserves to be super rich while the rest are slaves to them? I think not. I think most of us are too stupid to think about it and do something about it.

 

[Infohawk]

This is a very naive position. Don't think in black and white like neocons and religious fanatics. Without money we would have bartering and would still have many problems.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
This is a very naive position. Don't think in black and white like neocons and religious fanatics. Without money we would have bartering and would still have many problems.

good way to get in a troll, there.

 

[Last Rezort]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Infohawk
This is a very naive position. Don't think in black and white like neocons and religious fanatics. Without money we would have bartering and would still have many problems.

good way to get in a troll, there.

Um.....
oh oh oh i see it.
still a dumb post.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Infohawk
This is a very naive position. Don't think in black and white like neocons and religious fanatics. Without money we would have bartering and would still have many problems.

good way to get in a troll, there.

I understand your urge to label everything you disagree with a troll, but there is a lot of black and white thinking among religious fanatics and neoconservatives.

 

[glenn1]

Money also motivates people to develop wonderful inventions, build incredible projects, create beautiful works of art, cure terrible diseases, visit exotic places, and a whole host of other good things.

PS: It maybe true that we can't all be rich but does the few deserves to be super rich while the rest are slaves to them?

This is somewhat lacking in perspective. For an American or western European to complain that they aren't "rich" is missing the point. Even the poorest among us is rich relative to the rest of the world and in historical terms. You're simply illustrating the modern irony that wealth and contentment seem to be completely unrelated in the western mind.

 

[Zebo]

money makes the world go round simple as that. w/o it you end up like soviet russia where little inentive to work, excel "be all that you can be"... sure there are exceptions like some genious scientist like einstein who would excel no matter what the pay was but they are minority. In general terms work sucks, that's why they have to pay you for it. In general, more money serves as an incentive to strive harder and do more.

 

[sandorski]

Sure it's a tool of evil, but it's also a tool of good. Just depends on who is weilding it and for what reasons.

 

[Ozoned]

There is 6.5 Billion humans on this planet to feed and it takes a lot of money. Now, do you part, STFU, and get back to work and make some money.

 

[StormRider]

You keep making these posts and then you go on the Hot Deals forum where you clearly enjoy what the fruits of capitilsm has brought you.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: StormRider
You keep making these posts and then you go on the Hot Deals forum where you clearly enjoy what the fruits of capitilsm has brought you.

Link? :laugh:

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Infohawk
This is a very naive position. Don't think in black and white like neocons and religious fanatics. Without money we would have bartering and would still have many problems.

good way to get in a troll, there.

I understand your urge to label everything you disagree with a troll, but there is a lot of black and white thinking among religious fanatics and neoconservatives.

prattling on and on again that neocons and religious fanatics think in black and white is trolling, especially when you only see in black.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Infohawk
This is a very naive position. Don't think in black and white like neocons and religious fanatics. Without money we would have bartering and would still have many problems.

good way to get in a troll, there.

I understand your urge to label everything you disagree with a troll, but there is a lot of black and white thinking among religious fanatics and neoconservatives.

don't forget the occasional leftist nut. I'll admit that they do exist.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: StormRider
You keep making these posts and then you go on the Hot Deals forum where you clearly enjoy what the fruits of capitilsm has brought you.

All people, however fanatical they may be in their zeal to disparage and to fight capitalism, implicitly pay homage to it by passionately clamoring for the products it turns out.

- Ludwig von Mises

 

[Promethply]

Even without money people will still start wars,

just look at internet forums...

Greed, One Upsmanship, and Boredom is the root of all conflict

 

[Rainsford]

Money is simply a tool. It has no nature, any more than a knife or a car does. A knife, used to stab an innocent man, is a "tool of evil". Used to fend off a wild animal, it's a good thing. Money is the same way. After all, what is money but quantified value? Whether we like it or not, everything has value. An apple is not as valuable as 10 apples, and 10 apples are not as valuable as an apple tree. The value comes from the utility we derive from them, money is simply a number we assign to measure that value. Labor works in a similar way. My doctor keeps me alive, he is more valuable to me than the guy who delivers my paper. And there is also the question of availability. The guy who delivers my paper is less valuable (in his work) because it's easy to find someone who is skilled at that job. Finding a skilled doctor is much more difficult, so their job has more value.

Every time someone argues against the idea of money, I feel compelled to remind them that what they are really arguing against is the idea that things have value. This clearly makes no sense. As for the problems named by the OP, money doesn't cause them. Back in the day, when it was sheep instead of US dollars, nobles still managed to end up owning most of the sheep.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Every time someone argues against the idea of money, I feel compelled to remind them that what they are really arguing against is the idea that things have value. This clearly makes no sense. As for the problems named by the OP, money doesn't cause them. Back in the day, when it was sheep instead of US dollars, nobles still managed to end up owning most of the sheep.

No, I don't think that they are upset that things have value, but they certainly seem bitter that we live in a world of scarcity.

 

[ahurtt]

It is not money, but GREED of money that causes all the negative things you talk about. You are not the first person to realize the fact that money causes evil. . .haven't you ever heard the old addage, "Money is the root of all evil?" I just think it would be more aptly stated "Greed is the root of all evil." Greed along with envy, lust, sloth . . .insert 7 deadly sins here. Why do you think they are called the 7 "deadly" sins?

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: ahurtt
It is not money, but GREED of money that causes all the negative things you talk about. You are not the first person to realize the fact that money causes evil. . .haven't you ever heard the old addage, "Money is the root of all evil?" I just think it would be more aptly stated "Greed is the root of all evil." Greed along with envy, lust, sloth . . .insert 7 deadly sins here. Why do you think they are called the 7 "deadly" sins?

The orginal quote is: "the love of money is the root of evil."

edited: for clairty

 

[RobCur]

If your love money more then anything else then your are seriously demented. If I am in control of money, wtf would I be bitching about it??? Your are a bunch of tool, I mean fools to rely on money so much and even gambling with your life. It has caused many of us to produce numerous offspring so the wealthy have someone to use for their labors. The majority in any society have IQ less then 90 so I can see why they can't see through this. Next time any of you go to war because the rich wants to get richer and whine about your lost ones, stfu. who cares? because the love of money is stronger then your bond of love? I'm tired of too many idiots in life, they don't to help anyone in anyway with their brainwashing ideology from bad education. btw, politician are just as evil and maybe even worse.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: RobCur
It makes people go to war for private interest. It controls people as if their sheeps. Lack of money means you never have enough to spend due to not being in control of money. Money is war power, money is destructive to the environment, it deprives people of their basic needs by making them work their ass off just for it while the one in control, the bankers live a life of luxury. It fuckingsucks, I am pissed as hell. :|

PS: It maybe true that we can't all be rich but does the few deserves to be super rich while the rest are slaves to them? I think not. I think most of us are too stupid to think about it and do something about it.

Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff.

Money is fine. It is a tool. It is all in the use. Capitalism is the problem, as there is unlimited wealth to be made, but finite ditribution. It is only a problem in that it allows those who hunger for power to gain power and use that power to maintain that place. Other systems have allowed such things, but not with the kind of mobility and volitility (sp?). Also, we have become dependent on other nations for necessities. Ah, well.

Answer? Socialism + slack + Slack.

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: RobCur
If your love money more then anything else then your are seriously demented. If I am in control of money, wtf would I be bitching about it??? Your are a bunch of tool, I mean fools to rely on money so much and even gambling with your life. It has caused many of us to produce numerous offspring so the wealthy have someone to use for their labors. The majority in any society have IQ less then 90 so I can see why they can't see through this. Next time any of you go to war because the rich wants to get richer and whine about your lost ones, stfu. who cares? because the love of money is stronger then your bond of love? I'm tired of too many idiots in life, they don't to help anyone in anyway with their brainwashing ideology from bad education. btw, politician are just as evil and maybe even worse.

You really don't know how to debate do you? You addressed nothing in this thread and essentially just restated your original post.

 

[StormRider]

If you hate money so much stop hanging out in the hot deal forums and wishing for material things.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: RobCur
If your love money more then anything else then your are seriously demented. If I am in control of money, wtf would I be bitching about it??? Your are a bunch of tool, I mean fools to rely on money so much and even gambling with your life. It has caused many of us to produce numerous offspring so the wealthy have someone to use for their labors. The majority in any society have IQ less then 90 so I can see why they can't see through this. Next time any of you go to war because the rich wants to get richer and whine about your lost ones, stfu. who cares? because the love of money is stronger then your bond of love? I'm tired of too many idiots in life, they don't to help anyone in anyway with their brainwashing ideology from bad education. btw, politician are just as evil and maybe even worse.

As has been pointed out money is the abstract defenition of value we have used to simplify the basis of a barter system. Bartering as you should know is the exchange of items you produce for items you need, but bartering only works when you can produce most of what you need yourself, once society moves beyond a subsitence agricultural system bartering becomes to complex to be sustainable and a more abstracted system must be created.

Money serves that purpose and was orginally construed as items of limited quantity but high desire. In various times of history this has ranged from sea shells, to beads, to raw minerals and even to special bits of paper. But they all form "money" as a way to exchange the value of the services or products you can produce so that you can obtain the products and services you believe you need. As such money is simply a tool, it has no more attributes than a crowbar.

Your continued insistence that the tool itself is evil is nothing more than foolish childishness. The only conclusion that can be drawn from your rant is that your production is valued less than you would like, as such you would like to devalue the production of others so that you can have more. This of course means you are the one engaged in the evil use of money.

 

[Duckzilla]

Money (credit, or whatever) is necessary. You can't have 6.5 billion people trading chickens for medicine or anything else.