"Money for Nothing:" American workers paid not to work

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Workers? Comp Scams That Push the Limits


March 3 ? Former Pinellas County, Fla., bus driver Bruce Gilbert is a full-grown man who talked like a 5-year-old, a problem his wife blamed on an "on-the-job" accident.

Over 10 years, the Gilberts collected $774,000 in workers' compensation, enough for plenty of Bruce's favorite foods.

When an insurance investigator from the Florida League of Cities asked what his favorite foods were, Bruce Gilbert responded in a childlike voice: "Pizza and spaghetti." Asked about his favorite books, he said he liked books "about animals." His wife claimed he had a regressive mental ailment that effectively gave him the mental capacity of a child of about 5.

But a private eye investigating Bruce Gilbert's disability found that the ex-bus driver, who now lives in Lake City, Fla., could not only still drive, but was also hunting and playing golf. Police in Columbia County, Fla., nabbed him on the golf course in April 2000.

"You're under arrest for workers' compensation fraud and grand theft," the arresting officer said. "Get out of the golf cart, please."

Gilbert kept up his baby talk even after being cuffed.

"They hurt me," he said. "Mommy. My mommy."

Bruce Speaks in Sentences

Thousands of Americans are getting paid for not going to work through workers' compensation scams that even by the smallest estimates cost $1 billion a year. Workers' comp fraud accounts for about 1 percent to 2 percent of all workers' comp payments, according to J. Paul Leigh, a professor of the University of California, Davis. Some of the cases show just how far people will go to collect.

Numbers are very vague for workers' comp fraud. But the Coalition Against Insurance Fraud says all types of insurance fraud cost the average American household about $950 a year.

When Bruce Gilbert was arrested, so was his wife, Alice. While the Gilberts were alone in the police car, they didn't know investigators had left an audiotape recorder running. As the tape turned, Bruce's vocabulary suddenly expanded.

"Workmen's compensation ? those bas-----," he said.

His wife suggested he try to fake another injury.

"I want you to have a collapse," she said.

Rather than jail time, the Gilberts were each placed on 15 years' probation and ordered to pay back their ill-gotten gains of $774,000.

 

EagleKeeper

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Rather than jail time, the Gilberts were each placed on 15 years' probation and ordered to pay back their ill-gotten gains of $774,000.

How are they going to get ahold of that much money.

Seize their assetts also and then get the story out publicly for all areas that process claims.

They probably bragged to the wrong person and that was their downfall.
 
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I just argued a similar resolution myself...seize their assets and send them into exile...kick them out of the country...never to return...use the proceeds from the sale of assets to settle legitimate workers-comp claims.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Rather than jail time, the Gilberts were each placed on 15 years' probation and ordered to pay back their ill-gotten gains of $774,000.

How are they going to get ahold of that much money.

Seize their assetts also and then get the story out publicly for all areas that process claims.

They probably bragged to the wrong person and that was their downfall.
Nah insurance companies have full time investigators looking for fraud. WHen I filed a calim due to a back injury at work those suckers followed me and were asking my friends whether I was physically active or not and my claim was nowhere nears $700,000!
 

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
I just argued a similar resolution myself...seize their assets and send them into exile...kick them out of the country...never to return...use the proceeds from the sale of assets to settle legitimate workers-comp claims.

I have to agree with you on this one. Nail the bastages.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
I just argued a similar resolution myself...seize their assets and send them into exile...kick them out of the country...never to return...use the proceeds from the sale of assets to settle legitimate workers-comp claims.

I agree, they should be deported because they will declare Bankruptcy and use the other broken system to not pay a penny back.


 

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
1-2% seems extremely low.

I would guess that number is low. I work in the disability benefits field for the fed. gov't, and we see a lot more than 1-2% fraud. Psychiatric claims are especially common, because they're so hard to disprove, and so easy to fake. People can't resist 'free' money, and it's not like you're stealing from 'real' people anyway - you're stealing from the gov't, everyone does it, and no one gets hurt!! Or so the rationalization goes. Honest work is clearly for suckers.
 

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Yup, we try to report slackers/fraud and they tell us that there's a six month backlog of reports like that so unless it's a very large case, they aren't going to investigate it.
 

ReiAyanami

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the claims probably account for 1-2% of actual claim volume, but use up a vastly larger percentage of claim payments
 

BugsBunny1078

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Workers compensation itself is a scam.
So the scammers get scammed.
I have personally paid in about 60,000$ into workers compensation insurance and they tell me that if I get injured the most I could ever collect is 6 weeks of payments. or about 2000$ So tell me who is the crook? WOrkers compensation insurance is not government funded it is privately paid for and private insurers. The government has nothing to do with it except that the government was bribed to make it mandatory.
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
I just argued a similar resolution myself...seize their assets and send them into exile...kick them out of the country...never to return...use the proceeds from the sale of assets to settle legitimate workers-comp claims.

I agree, they should be deported because they will declare Bankruptcy and use the other broken system to not pay a penny back.

Bankruptcy wouldnt get rid of the judgement of $774,000. They can file for any type of bankruptcy but they cant get out of paying it. Though its highly unlikely they will ever pay it back.
 

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just argued a similar resolution myself...seize their assets and send them into exile...kick them out of the country...never to return...use the proceeds from the sale of assets to settle legitimate workers-comp claims.

agree, they should be deported because they will declare Bankruptcy and use the other broken system to not pay a penny back.


Just two minor points.

1) If they are US citizens, they cannot be deported.

2) Exile would reqire another country to voluntarily accept them. Most unlikely.



 
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Originally posted by: Minchenden
just argued a similar resolution myself...seize their assets and send them into exile...kick them out of the country...never to return...use the proceeds from the sale of assets to settle legitimate workers-comp claims.

agree, they should be deported because they will declare Bankruptcy and use the other broken system to not pay a penny back.


Just two minor points.

1) If they are US citizens, they cannot be deported.

2) Exile would reqire another country to voluntarily accept them. Most unlikely.

1.) Change the law
2.) Annex Canada :)