Mom starves son to death for not saying "Amen"

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It is the bane of existence. Fvck those people who use the teachings of Jesus to do things like go to an impoverished nation and start a missionary that hands out food or takes care of orphans.

You can do that WITHOUT religion. Jesus isn't the problem. God isn't the problem. Its Religion and its set ways of belief that corrupts the mind into doing things that a normal human would not do (killing your child) or doing what is right like helping those who need it, the hungry, the poor. Religion does not feed those people in poor countries and from your argument it would seem that you are saying people would not help others if it were not for religion. Thats just an asinine assumption.

Much if not most of the world's morality can be tied back to religion. In your case, how do you determine what's right or not? It holds no meaning without a point of reference. If you're going to blame religion on this woman doing this it's only fair to grant that it also motivates people to do things like quit a middle class job in America and go to the Ukraine for a year teaching poverty-stricken kids.

morality is a social, instinctive, and rational development, and exists with or without religion. True morality is based on empathy to other beings. I don't say human, because creatures other than can display empathy and morality, which basically throws that entire religion thesis right our the window.

Adding to that, I'd say that Religion is the tradition Institution where Moral Codes were codified and disseminated within Societies. Kinda like a Public School of Societal Norms.

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It is the bane of existence. Fvck those people who use the teachings of Jesus to do things like go to an impoverished nation and start a missionary that hands out food or takes care of orphans.

You can do that WITHOUT religion. Jesus isn't the problem. God isn't the problem. Its Religion and its set ways of belief that corrupts the mind into doing things that a normal human would not do (killing your child) or doing what is right like helping those who need it, the hungry, the poor. Religion does not feed those people in poor countries and from your argument it would seem that you are saying people would not help others if it were not for religion. Thats just an asinine assumption.

Much if not most of the world's morality can be tied back to religion. In your case, how do you determine what's right or not? It holds no meaning without a point of reference. If you're going to blame religion on this woman doing this it's only fair to grant that it also motivates people to do things like quit a middle class job in America and go to the Ukraine for a year teaching poverty-stricken kids.

morality is a social, instinctive, and rational development, and exists with or without religion. True morality is based on empathy to other beings. I don't say human, because creatures other than can display empathy and morality, which basically throws that entire religion thesis right our the window.

Adding to that, I'd say that Religion is the tradition Institution where Moral Codes were codified and disseminated within Societies. Kinda like a Public School of Societal Norms.

so basically a disaster

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It is the bane of existence. Fvck those people who use the teachings of Jesus to do things like go to an impoverished nation and start a missionary that hands out food or takes care of orphans.

You can do that WITHOUT religion. Jesus isn't the problem. God isn't the problem. Its Religion and its set ways of belief that corrupts the mind into doing things that a normal human would not do (killing your child) or doing what is right like helping those who need it, the hungry, the poor. Religion does not feed those people in poor countries and from your argument it would seem that you are saying people would not help others if it were not for religion. Thats just an asinine assumption.

Much if not most of the world's morality can be tied back to religion. In your case, how do you determine what's right or not? It holds no meaning without a point of reference. If you're going to blame religion on this woman doing this it's only fair to grant that it also motivates people to do things like quit a middle class job in America and go to the Ukraine for a year teaching poverty-stricken kids.

morality is a social, instinctive, and rational development, and exists with or without religion. True morality is based on empathy to other beings. I don't say human, because creatures other than can display empathy and morality, which basically throws that entire religion thesis right our the window.

Adding to that, I'd say that Religion is the tradition Institution where Moral Codes were codified and disseminated within Societies. Kinda like a Public School of Societal Norms.

so basically a disaster

:laugh:

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Well you don't have to leave it with this one episode to show religion is a cancer to society. Look throughout history. Book burnings because they are witchcraft when in fact it was only scientific study, burning people alive because they don't believe what the religious ones believe. It has and still does influence many decisions of government and normal life. Stem cell research etc. The list is endless with ignorant judgments and insane actions with religion. If you cannot see this then ok, I won't blame you for it, but at least look at religion from its inception and see its affects on humanity as a whole.

You cannot make the argument that religion is the only way "morality" has an existence on earth. Morality is normal and would be a part of society without religion.

Morality is hardly normal. Morality does not have to be tied to religion, true. But normal? If morality were normal, we wouldn't have crime. No one would ever murder someone else if morality were the norm. Morality is a social construct, which is often advanced in conjunction with religion, though it does exist outside of it. But given the way people have treated each other since the dawn of human civilization, you'd be hard pressed to convince me that morality is somehow the natural way and religion is causing everyone to go crazy.

In reality, the natural way is brutal. Look at the animal kingdom. Dolphins, one of the smartest animals on the planet, participate in gang rapes of other dolphins. Countless species participate in brutal combat to establish dominance and breed. The very notion of survival of the fittest revolves around the basic idea of "I'll kill everything else in the world if it means my genes survive." There's no morality in nature. We made it up to keep us from going off and killing everyone who posed a threat to us. And, like it or not, religion has been fairly successful in spreading the basic concepts of a universal morality to most of the world. Sure, there are considerable problems with it. But it's arguably better than living in a world where we routinely kill each other to establish dominance... well, ok, I guess religion can't prevent all our natural instincts now can it?

consider the number of people that commit murder. consider the number of people in the US.

indeed, morality is normal.

Impossible to say how much of that is morality vs aversion to punishment.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Well you don't have to leave it with this one episode to show religion is a cancer to society. Look throughout history. Book burnings because they are witchcraft when in fact it was only scientific study, burning people alive because they don't believe what the religious ones believe. It has and still does influence many decisions of government and normal life. Stem cell research etc. The list is endless with ignorant judgments and insane actions with religion. If you cannot see this then ok, I won't blame you for it, but at least look at religion from its inception and see its affects on humanity as a whole.

You cannot make the argument that religion is the only way "morality" has an existence on earth. Morality is normal and would be a part of society without religion.

Morality is hardly normal. Morality does not have to be tied to religion, true. But normal? If morality were normal, we wouldn't have crime. No one would ever murder someone else if morality were the norm. Morality is a social construct, which is often advanced in conjunction with religion, though it does exist outside of it. But given the way people have treated each other since the dawn of human civilization, you'd be hard pressed to convince me that morality is somehow the natural way and religion is causing everyone to go crazy.

In reality, the natural way is brutal. Look at the animal kingdom. Dolphins, one of the smartest animals on the planet, participate in gang rapes of other dolphins. Countless species participate in brutal combat to establish dominance and breed. The very notion of survival of the fittest revolves around the basic idea of "I'll kill everything else in the world if it means my genes survive." There's no morality in nature. We made it up to keep us from going off and killing everyone who posed a threat to us. And, like it or not, religion has been fairly successful in spreading the basic concepts of a universal morality to most of the world. Sure, there are considerable problems with it. But it's arguably better than living in a world where we routinely kill each other to establish dominance... well, ok, I guess religion can't prevent all our natural instincts now can it?

consider the number of people that commit murder. consider the number of people in the US.

indeed, morality is normal.

Impossible to say how much of that is morality vs aversion to punishment.

i personally don't think that aversion to punishment is a very big disincentive to most people.

 

[child of wonder]

In opposition to what others have said in this thread, I side with Hitchens in saying that the idea that morality originated from any god or that mankind relies on god to provide some kind of moral compass is a very repugnant and insulting proposition.

The mother should be tried and convicted of murder. The "religion" or "cult" (call it what you will since either label fits them all) should also be investigated and the leader/preacher/etc. should be convicted as an accessory to murder for filling the mother's head with the ridiculous notion that the kid would resurrect.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Religion: The bane of society

Grow up :roll:

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Well you don't have to leave it with this one episode to show religion is a cancer to society. Look throughout history. Book burnings because they are witchcraft when in fact it was only scientific study, burning people alive because they don't believe what the religious ones believe. It has and still does influence many decisions of government and normal life. Stem cell research etc. The list is endless with ignorant judgments and insane actions with religion. If you cannot see this then ok, I won't blame you for it, but at least look at religion from its inception and see its affects on humanity as a whole.

You cannot make the argument that religion is the only way "morality" has an existence on earth. Morality is normal and would be a part of society without religion.

Morality is hardly normal. Morality does not have to be tied to religion, true. But normal? If morality were normal, we wouldn't have crime. No one would ever murder someone else if morality were the norm. Morality is a social construct, which is often advanced in conjunction with religion, though it does exist outside of it. But given the way people have treated each other since the dawn of human civilization, you'd be hard pressed to convince me that morality is somehow the natural way and religion is causing everyone to go crazy.

In reality, the natural way is brutal. Look at the animal kingdom. Dolphins, one of the smartest animals on the planet, participate in gang rapes of other dolphins. Countless species participate in brutal combat to establish dominance and breed. The very notion of survival of the fittest revolves around the basic idea of "I'll kill everything else in the world if it means my genes survive." There's no morality in nature. We made it up to keep us from going off and killing everyone who posed a threat to us. And, like it or not, religion has been fairly successful in spreading the basic concepts of a universal morality to most of the world. Sure, there are considerable problems with it. But it's arguably better than living in a world where we routinely kill each other to establish dominance... well, ok, I guess religion can't prevent all our natural instincts now can it?

consider the number of people that commit murder. consider the number of people in the US.

indeed, morality is normal.

Impossible to say how much of that is morality vs aversion to punishment.

I don't murder people because it physically disgusts me AND I think its wrong. I was not raised religious and I share many of the same values. Religion did not teach us that murdering was not good for societal health. We know it instinctively (a vast majority of us do at least)

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It is the bane of existence. Fvck those people who use the teachings of Jesus to do things like go to an impoverished nation and start a missionary that hands out food or takes care of orphans.

You can do that WITHOUT religion. Jesus isn't the problem. God isn't the problem. Its Religion and its set ways of belief that corrupts the mind into doing things that a normal human would not do (killing your child) or doing what is right like helping those who need it, the hungry, the poor. Religion does not feed those people in poor countries and from your argument it would seem that you are saying people would not help others if it were not for religion. Thats just an asinine assumption.

Perhaps it's time you get out from behind your keyboard and go see how the real world actually functions :roll:

 

[child of wonder]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It is the bane of existence. Fvck those people who use the teachings of Jesus to do things like go to an impoverished nation and start a missionary that hands out food or takes care of orphans.

You can do that WITHOUT religion. Jesus isn't the problem. God isn't the problem. Its Religion and its set ways of belief that corrupts the mind into doing things that a normal human would not do (killing your child) or doing what is right like helping those who need it, the hungry, the poor. Religion does not feed those people in poor countries and from your argument it would seem that you are saying people would not help others if it were not for religion. Thats just an asinine assumption.

Perhaps it's time you get out from behind your keyboard and go see how the real world actually functions :roll:

Personally, I am very happy that religions like Catholicism provide so much aid to starving nations. Their presence in African countries really stands out ... especially when one considers that for all the good they do it is easily trumped by withholding condoms which condemns the natives to high pregnancy and STD (particularly HIV) infection rates.

Three cheers!

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It is the bane of existence. Fvck those people who use the teachings of Jesus to do things like go to an impoverished nation and start a missionary that hands out food or takes care of orphans.

You can do that WITHOUT religion. Jesus isn't the problem. God isn't the problem. Its Religion and its set ways of belief that corrupts the mind into doing things that a normal human would not do (killing your child) or doing what is right like helping those who need it, the hungry, the poor. Religion does not feed those people in poor countries and from your argument it would seem that you are saying people would not help others if it were not for religion. Thats just an asinine assumption.

Perhaps it's time you get out from behind your keyboard and go see how the real world actually functions :roll:

Oh thats a good argument! :disgust:

 

[cubeless]

to say that this is about religion is like saying rape is about sex... the broad is nuts, and she wandered into that group instead of some other group... if she hadn't found that reason she'd have done it for him not putting down the tiolet seat or something...

religion has it problems, but let's not be too stupid about it...

 

[Cheesetogo]

This is clearly a common occurrence.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: cubeless
the broad is nuts, and she wandered into that group instead of some other group... if she hadn't found that reason she'd have done it for him not putting down the tiolet seat or something...

My thoughts exactly

 

[Zap Brannigan]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Yeah, I don't like cults either.

Sociopaths are even worse.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Yes let label all religion and relgious acts as the bane of society because one nutjob killed her kid.

Hey... all we have to do now is find some nut job atheist and we can prove that everyone is crazy.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Corn
It is not religion that causes this, it is pure stupidity. I believe Carlin said: Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider!

This is the correct answer.

How many 1 year olds do you know that can even say 'Amen' much less stop saying it?