Mom starves son to death for not saying "Amen"

[NoStateofMind]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29964242/

BALTIMORE - A former religious cult member pleaded guilty Monday to starving her 1-year-old son to death after making an unusual deal with prosecutors: If the child is resurrected, her plea will be withdrawn.

Ria Ramkissoon, 22, also agreed to testify against four other members of the now-defunct religious group known as 1 Mind Ministries. All four are charged with first-degree murder in the death of Javon Thompson.

According to a statement of facts, the cult members stopped feeding the boy when he refused to say "Amen" after a meal. After Javon died, Ramkissoon sat next to his decomposing body and prayed for his resurrection.

Are you fucking kidding me? This is absurd and ignorant on so many levels. IMO these things happen because of religion and why religion should never have a place in politics. You can believe whatever you want but do NOT under ANY circumstances impose your beliefs on others, INCLUDING your son. May he rest in peace.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Yeah, I don't like cults either.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Although I readily agree that religion has no place in politics, I'm pretty sure that nearly every country in the world, religiously influenced or not, has laws against starving your children to death for any reason.

 

[bamacre]

Wow, ridiculous.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Although I readily agree that religion has no place in politics, I'm pretty sure that nearly every country in the world, religiously influenced or not, has laws against starving your children to death for any reason.

Well in China, abandoning your first-born female happens because of the law.


Religion is never a good thing.

 

[Arkaign]

Horrible beyond words.

 

[Corn]

It is not religion that causes this, it is pure stupidity. I believe Carlin said: Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider!

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29964242/

BALTIMORE - A former religious cult member pleaded guilty Monday to starving her 1-year-old son to death after making an unusual deal with prosecutors: If the child is resurrected, her plea will be withdrawn.

Ria Ramkissoon, 22, also agreed to testify against four other members of the now-defunct religious group known as 1 Mind Ministries. All four are charged with first-degree murder in the death of Javon Thompson.

According to a statement of facts, the cult members stopped feeding the boy when he refused to say "Amen" after a meal. After Javon died, Ramkissoon sat next to his decomposing body and prayed for his resurrection.

Are you fucking kidding me? This is absurd and ignorant on so many levels. IMO these things happen because of religion and why religion should never have a place in politics. You can believe whatever you want but do NOT under ANY circumstances impose your beliefs on others, INCLUDING your son. May he rest in peace.

Yes let label all religion and relgious acts as the bane of society because one nutjob killed her kid.

 

[StageLeft]

It is the bane of existence. Fvck those people who use the teachings of Jesus to do things like go to an impoverished nation and start a missionary that hands out food or takes care of orphans.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Although I readily agree that religion has no place in politics, I'm pretty sure that nearly every country in the world, religiously influenced or not, has laws against starving your children to death for any reason.

Well in China, abandoning your first-born female happens because of the law.


Religion is never a good thing.

Child abandonment is still a crime in China, even though it is rarely punished.

Good to see they are charging all members of the cult in this case and not just the mother. They are all culpable for this hideous act.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It is the bane of existence. Fvck those people who use the teachings of Jesus to do things like go to an impoverished nation and start a missionary that hands out food or takes care of orphans.

You can do that WITHOUT religion. Jesus isn't the problem. God isn't the problem. Its Religion and its set ways of belief that corrupts the mind into doing things that a normal human would not do (killing your child) or doing what is right like helping those who need it, the hungry, the poor. Religion does not feed those people in poor countries and from your argument it would seem that you are saying people would not help others if it were not for religion. Thats just an asinine assumption.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It is the bane of existence. Fvck those people who use the teachings of Jesus to do things like go to an impoverished nation and start a missionary that hands out food or takes care of orphans.

You can do that WITHOUT religion. Jesus isn't the problem. God isn't the problem. Its Religion and its set ways of belief that corrupts the mind into doing things that a normal human would not do (killing your child) or doing what is right like helping those who need it, the hungry, the poor. Religion does not feed those people in poor countries and from your argument it would seem that you are saying people would not help others if it were not for religion. Thats just an asinine assumption.

Much if not most of the world's morality can be tied back to religion. In your case, how do you determine what's right or not? It holds no meaning without a point of reference. If you're going to blame religion on this woman doing this it's only fair to grant that it also motivates people to do things like quit a middle class job in America and go to the Ukraine for a year teaching poverty-stricken kids.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You are at once right and wrong.

You are right that this is a horrible act and should be punished. You are wrong to extend this beyond what it is.

Right now there is a couple who insists their children be strict vegetarians in our community. They are not allowed meet or fat. Right now there is a fight to get these already brain damaged kids away from the family.

So vegetarians are evil?

When ANY belief or way of thinking leads to harm then it needs to be acted on. I hate to throw a wrench into the religion of hating religion, but there are a lot of people who are religious who treat their kids well, and a lot of atheists who beat the shit out of or kill them outright.

It isn't religion or atheism or vegetarianism or any such thing at fault. It's that some people do evil things regardless of what they call themselves.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It is the bane of existence. Fvck those people who use the teachings of Jesus to do things like go to an impoverished nation and start a missionary that hands out food or takes care of orphans.

You can do that WITHOUT religion. Jesus isn't the problem. God isn't the problem. Its Religion and its set ways of belief that corrupts the mind into doing things that a normal human would not do (killing your child) or doing what is right like helping those who need it, the hungry, the poor. Religion does not feed those people in poor countries and from your argument it would seem that you are saying people would not help others if it were not for religion. Thats just an asinine assumption.

Much if not most of the world's morality can be tied back to religion. In your case, how do you determine what's right or not? It holds no meaning without a point of reference. If you're going to blame religion on this woman doing this it's only fair to grant that it also motivates people to do things like quit a middle class job in America and go to the Ukraine for a year teaching poverty-stricken kids.

You have failed to adhere to P&N doctrine concerning (hatred of) religion and thus need to be punished.

 

[ranmaniac]

Stalin starved millions of people in Ukraine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It is the bane of existence. Fvck those people who use the teachings of Jesus to do things like go to an impoverished nation and start a missionary that hands out food or takes care of orphans.

You can do that WITHOUT religion. Jesus isn't the problem. God isn't the problem. Its Religion and its set ways of belief that corrupts the mind into doing things that a normal human would not do (killing your child) or doing what is right like helping those who need it, the hungry, the poor. Religion does not feed those people in poor countries and from your argument it would seem that you are saying people would not help others if it were not for religion. Thats just an asinine assumption.

Much if not most of the world's morality can be tied back to religion. In your case, how do you determine what's right or not? It holds no meaning without a point of reference. If you're going to blame religion on this woman doing this it's only fair to grant that it also motivates people to do things like quit a middle class job in America and go to the Ukraine for a year teaching poverty-stricken kids.

You have failed to adhere to P&N doctrine concerning (hatred of) religion and thus need to be punished.

So it seems. One of the interesting things almost never brought out is that more work was done by people associated with religious organizations to restore the damage done by Katrina than anyone else. Often it was done at the expense of the people who did the work. These people of course starve their children and eat their corpses.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: ranmaniac
Stalin starved millions of people in Ukraine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Damn atheists!

Hitler was a vegetarian and surrounded himself with pagens. Damn veggies and occultists.

Osama is Muslim, all Muslism must be evil.

This line of thinking is fun!

 

[jonks]

Not really a religious issue imo. Probably some nutter somewhere who starved his 1 yr old to death b/c he "refused" to name the planets in order. Organized religion may be dumb, but this chick was just crazy.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Its Religion and its set ways of belief that corrupts the mind into doing things that a normal human would not do (killing your child) .......

Yes yes, because only the religious kill their children. :roll:

 

[Red Dawn]

Some people need Religion and if they aren't mentally unstable it usually isn't a bad thing. Not every follower or leader is a member of Jonestown.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29964242/

BALTIMORE - A former religious cult member pleaded guilty Monday to starving her 1-year-old son to death after making an unusual deal with prosecutors: If the child is resurrected, her plea will be withdrawn.

Ria Ramkissoon, 22, also agreed to testify against four other members of the now-defunct religious group known as 1 Mind Ministries. All four are charged with first-degree murder in the death of Javon Thompson.

According to a statement of facts, the cult members stopped feeding the boy when he refused to say "Amen" after a meal. After Javon died, Ramkissoon sat next to his decomposing body and prayed for his resurrection.

Are you fucking kidding me? This is absurd and ignorant on so many levels. IMO these things happen because of religion and why religion should never have a place in politics. You can believe whatever you want but do NOT under ANY circumstances impose your beliefs on others, INCLUDING your son. May he rest in peace.

While this is horrific, you drawing a parallel to normal religion is ridiculous.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It is the bane of existence. Fvck those people who use the teachings of Jesus to do things like go to an impoverished nation and start a missionary that hands out food or takes care of orphans.

You can do that WITHOUT religion. Jesus isn't the problem. God isn't the problem. Its Religion and its set ways of belief that corrupts the mind into doing things that a normal human would not do (killing your child) or doing what is right like helping those who need it, the hungry, the poor. Religion does not feed those people in poor countries and from your argument it would seem that you are saying people would not help others if it were not for religion. Thats just an asinine assumption.

No, it's crazy people doing what crazy people do. Religion and faith inspire people do be selfless, generally. It is this which encourages them to be so charitable.

There is some merit in the assumption that people would not help other if not for religion. Religious charities are responsible for much good.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I'm no fan of organized religion, but using one horrifying example as indicative that every religion is wrong is an untenable position to argue. Your sample size is miniscule compared to the number of people who fall under the umbrella of religion. You might as well say that women should be outlawed because women kill their babies. And think about this: every single crime, every murder, every rape, every depraved act from the holocaust to Gigli, was committed by people who drank water. Every single bad thing in history can be traced back to consumption of water. Clearly we need to ban this transparent beverage of Satan before it destroys us all.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Just because this nutjob was religous, it doesn't mean all religious people are nutjobs.

While I personally am a strict atheist, and I find pretty much any/all religious beliefs to be inconceivable, this is just my personal take on it. As a human being, my compassion for other human beings prevents me from believing that religion is the bane of society. I don't particularly care for religion, however, religion is obviously not to blame for the worlds problems. I believe "we" should tolerate "them", just the same way that "we" wish for "them" to tolerate "us".

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It is the bane of existence. Fvck those people who use the teachings of Jesus to do things like go to an impoverished nation and start a missionary that hands out food or takes care of orphans.

You can do that WITHOUT religion. Jesus isn't the problem. God isn't the problem. Its Religion and its set ways of belief that corrupts the mind into doing things that a normal human would not do (killing your child) or doing what is right like helping those who need it, the hungry, the poor. Religion does not feed those people in poor countries and from your argument it would seem that you are saying people would not help others if it were not for religion. Thats just an asinine assumption.

IIRC religious people give more per person to charities (excluding local churches) than secular people. You CAN help people without involving religion but religious people tend to be more motivated to actually help.

For instance, how many non-religious teenagers do you know that go work with habitat for humanity or other organizations in the summer? Pretty much every religious kid I know has been on a "mission" somewhere, usually involving construction. Our group built an orphanage, kids' club and drug rehab center in Mexico over the course of 6 years.