Mom, Dad in Court Over Son's Circumcision

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: DougK62
Hah - I love watching the circumcision supporters get owned in these threads.

It's not an issue of pwned or owned or not owned... or whatever...

I was circumcized.. it feels fine..

It is a part of my culture... I will circumcize my children and it's none of yours or anyone elses business. It is proven that it's not harmful... how you say? because I am very happy with my penis the way it is... as are 99% of people who get circumcized. Just leave the damn question alone... make your own decision... leave others to make their own decision as well.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: TitanDiddly

Originally posted by: torpid
Why would I want my son to enjoy sex even more than most boys? That sounds like a bad thing to me.

The demographic is changing. He'll be enjoying sex less than most boys if you circ him. What about when he grows up to be a man? What if your dad made the same argument?

Damnitt will you die already! None of you people have any idea whether it's better to be circumcized or not...

I am SOOOOO tired of this stuuuupid argument

Of course you're tired of the argument. You like circumcision and don't want it to go away. The more people know about it, the less common it will be.

I don't particularly care if it goes away or not... so long as I'm not accosted for my choice to circumcize my sons...

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: TitanDiddly

Originally posted by: torpid
Why would I want my son to enjoy sex even more than most boys? That sounds like a bad thing to me.

The demographic is changing. He'll be enjoying sex less than most boys if you circ him. What about when he grows up to be a man? What if your dad made the same argument?

Damnitt will you die already! None of you people have any idea whether it's better to be circumcized or not...

I am SOOOOO tired of this stuuuupid argument

Of course you're tired of the argument. You like circumcision and don't want it to go away. The more people know about it, the less common it will be.

I don't particularly care if it goes away or not... so long as I'm not accosted for my choice to circumcize my sons...

Is a disgusted, horrified look considered "accosting" you?

 

[Doboji]

Is a disgusted, horrified look considered "accosting" you?

yeah it pretty much is, kinda like the people standing outside the abortion clinics calling the women whores and such...

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: TitanDiddly

Originally posted by: torpid
Why would I want my son to enjoy sex even more than most boys? That sounds like a bad thing to me.

The demographic is changing. He'll be enjoying sex less than most boys if you circ him. What about when he grows up to be a man? What if your dad made the same argument?

That's even better, enjoying it less than most boys.

 

[Doboji]

look it would be one thing if people were seeking political asylum to avoid circumcisions... but reality is very very very few men who have been circumcised really have a problem with it...

So why attack it? What is the reasoning behind frowning on someone for something so incredible irrelevant?

 

[torpid]

And as for when he becomes a man, I'll be lucky if any child I have makes it that far and only has circumcision as an issue.

 

[Doboji]

oh and for the record... I don't believe for one second that circumcision makes any difference in the way sex feels... I just don't... and there is no way you will ever convince me otherwise.

 

[CKent]

I was circumcized.. it feels fine

And people born blind feel fine; it's all they know. You don't know the alternative, so why denigrate it? Fear?

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: RBachman

I was circumcized.. it feels fine

And people born blind feel fine; it's all they know. You don't know the alternative, so why denigrate it? Fear?

No people who are blind do not feel fine... it's pretty clear that they can't see... and not being able to see is a handicap

there is no proof that we(circumcised) feel sex any differently than those who are not circed... and we certainly are not handicapped in any way.

-Max

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Doboji
oh and for the record... I don't believe for one second that circumcision makes any difference in the way sex feels... I just don't... and there is no way you will ever convince me otherwise.

Well, good for you. Live in your fantasy world. Its too bad your kids are forced to participate.

If you were a Muslim, would you be pissed that you can't circumcise your daughter? Many of them feel pretty strongly about that.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Doboji
oh and for the record... I don't believe for one second that circumcision makes any difference in the way sex feels... I just don't... and there is no way you will ever convince me otherwise.

Well, good for you. Live in your fantasy world. Its too bad your kids are forced to participate.

If you were a Muslim, would you be pissed that you can't circumcise your daughter? Many of them feel pretty strongly about that.

Do a little reading on female circumcision... it's not in the same ball park... it's not even the same sport...

EDIT: and it's not a muslim thing it's an african thing

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: RBachman

I was circumcized.. it feels fine

And people born blind feel fine; it's all they know. You don't know the alternative, so why denigrate it? Fear?

No people who are blind do not feel fine... it's pretty clear that they can't see... and not being able to see is a handicap

there is no proof that we(circumcised) feel sex any differently than those who are not circed... and we certainly are not handicapped in any way.

But what if the blind person was never told they were blind? Just like most circ'd men don't really know what was cut off or how many nerves they are missing.

And actually, you are handicapped ... by your ego. You need to believe that your dick is perfect, so therefore you need to believe that circumcision is great, so you keep perpetuating a barbaric, outdated, unneeded practice.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Doboji
oh and for the record... I don't believe for one second that circumcision makes any difference in the way sex feels... I just don't... and there is no way you will ever convince me otherwise.

Well, good for you. Live in your fantasy world. Its too bad your kids are forced to participate.

If you were a Muslim, would you be pissed that you can't circumcise your daughter? Many of them feel pretty strongly about that.

Do a little reading on female circumcision... it's not in the same ball park... it's not even the same sport...

EDIT: and it's not a muslim thing it's an african thing

Yeah darkskinned people chopping body parts off in the name of tradition and religion is barbaric, gotta learn the difference. We're white.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: RBachman

I was circumcized.. it feels fine

And people born blind feel fine; it's all they know. You don't know the alternative, so why denigrate it? Fear?

No people who are blind do not feel fine... it's pretty clear that they can't see... and not being able to see is a handicap

there is no proof that we(circumcised) feel sex any differently than those who are not circed... and we certainly are not handicapped in any way.

But what if the blind person was never told they were blind? Just like most circ'd men don't really know what was cut off or how many nerves they are missing.

And actually, you are handicapped ... by your ego. You need to believe that your dick is perfect, so therefore you need to believe that circumcision is great, so you keep perpetuating a barbaric, outdated, unneeded practice.

You are an idiot...

A blind person even if they didnt know they were blind would be less safe in the real world... at best they would run into things... more likely to get hit by cars... easy prey for predators both human and not.

Having a circumcised penis has absolutely 0 effects on your ability to survive... it doesnt effect your life span, what you can eat... how much you can sleep... it doesnt effect your ability to have children.

Sex feels absolutely fantastic with a circumcised penis... I don't have any beliefs that my penis is in anyway superior to yours....

If anyone has an ego problem here it's you.... you're the only one denigrating my culture as barbaric. Why don't you leave my penis, and my childrens penis alone... concentrate on you and yours..

 

[TitanDiddly]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: TitanDiddly

Originally posted by: torpid
Why would I want my son to enjoy sex even more than most boys? That sounds like a bad thing to me.

The demographic is changing. He'll be enjoying sex less than most boys if you circ him. What about when he grows up to be a man? What if your dad made the same argument?

Damnitt will you die already! None of you people have any idea whether it's better to be circumcized or not...

I am SOOOOO tired of this stuuuupid argument

Can you freaking read?

I was circumcised at 18. I KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE ON BOTH SIDES.

Retard.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Doboji
oh and for the record... I don't believe for one second that circumcision makes any difference in the way sex feels... I just don't... and there is no way you will ever convince me otherwise.

Well, good for you. Live in your fantasy world. Its too bad your kids are forced to participate.

If you were a Muslim, would you be pissed that you can't circumcise your daughter? Many of them feel pretty strongly about that.

Do a little reading on female circumcision... it's not in the same ball park... it's not even the same sport...

EDIT: and it's not a muslim thing it's an african thing

from the WHO

Type I (FGM 1) - excision of the prepuce, with or without excision of part or all of the clitoris;
Type II (FGM II) - excision of the clitoris with partial or total excision of the labia minora;
Type III (FGM III) - excision of part or all of the external genitalia and stitching/narrowing of the vaginal opening (infibulation)

In Africa, they perform Type III FGM, where they cut everything they can and sew it up.

In Muslim countries, too. They just hack off the clitoral hood and sometimes the clitoris - either Type I or Type II.

And according to every anatomy textbook I have read, prepuce = foreskin = clitoral hood. So Male circumcision equals FGM Type I, since both remove the prepuce.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Doboji
oh and for the record... I don't believe for one second that circumcision makes any difference in the way sex feels... I just don't... and there is no way you will ever convince me otherwise.

Well, good for you. Live in your fantasy world. Its too bad your kids are forced to participate.

If you were a Muslim, would you be pissed that you can't circumcise your daughter? Many of them feel pretty strongly about that.

Do a little reading on female circumcision... it's not in the same ball park... it's not even the same sport...

EDIT: and it's not a muslim thing it's an african thing

Yeah darkskinned people chopping body parts off in the name of tradition and religion is barbaric, gotta learn the difference. We're white.

The color of their skin has 0 relevance here...

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: TitanDiddly

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: TitanDiddly

Originally posted by: torpid
Why would I want my son to enjoy sex even more than most boys? That sounds like a bad thing to me.

The demographic is changing. He'll be enjoying sex less than most boys if you circ him. What about when he grows up to be a man? What if your dad made the same argument?

Damnitt will you die already! None of you people have any idea whether it's better to be circumcized or not...

I am SOOOOO tired of this stuuuupid argument

Can you freaking read?

I was circumcised at 18. I KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE ON BOTH SIDES.

Retard.

I was waiting for you to chime in like that...

When was the last time you had sex... ?

Yeah uh huh... you haven't.... so STFU

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: TitanDiddly

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: TitanDiddly

Originally posted by: torpid
Why would I want my son to enjoy sex even more than most boys? That sounds like a bad thing to me.

The demographic is changing. He'll be enjoying sex less than most boys if you circ him. What about when he grows up to be a man? What if your dad made the same argument?

Damnitt will you die already! None of you people have any idea whether it's better to be circumcized or not...

I am SOOOOO tired of this stuuuupid argument

Can you freaking read?

I was circumcised at 18. I KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE ON BOTH SIDES.

Retard.

Much like the links to studies proving loss of sensitivity, this guy simply ignores what he can't refute. Admitting defeat is extraordinarily difficult for most people, I've been in the situation myself and can understand it. It's best to let him fume a bit more, just hope he doesn't have any scissors handy 😉

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Doboji
oh and for the record... I don't believe for one second that circumcision makes any difference in the way sex feels... I just don't... and there is no way you will ever convince me otherwise.

Well, good for you. Live in your fantasy world. Its too bad your kids are forced to participate.

If you were a Muslim, would you be pissed that you can't circumcise your daughter? Many of them feel pretty strongly about that.

Do a little reading on female circumcision... it's not in the same ball park... it's not even the same sport...

EDIT: and it's not a muslim thing it's an african thing

from the WHO

Type I (FGM 1) - excision of the prepuce, with or without excision of part or all of the clitoris;
Type II (FGM II) - excision of the clitoris with partial or total excision of the labia minora;
Type III (FGM III) - excision of part or all of the external genitalia and stitching/narrowing of the vaginal opening (infibulation)

In Africa, they perform Type III FGM, where they cut everything they can and sew it up.

In Muslim countries, too. They just hack off the clitoral hood and sometimes the clitoris - either Type I or Type II.

And according to every anatomy textbook I have read, prepuce = foreskin = clitoral hood. So Male circumcision equals FGM Type I, since both remove the prepuce.

Do we really need to go here... or would you mind just taking my word for it when I say, women who go through female circumcisions are horribly damaged for life... they KNOW they are degraded... women seek political asylum in order to escape the procedures... Many women die during the procedure.. and most have little to no sexual feeling left when it's over.

FGM by the way... stand for Female Genital Mutilation... it's a horrible horrible thing... and a far far cry from male circs.

I'm telling you now that if you start arguing the comparison between FGM and male circing... you will lose... you will lose badly.

 

[Doboji]

Much like the links to studies proving loss of sensitivity, this guy simply ignores what he can't refute. Admitting defeat is extraordinarily difficult for most people, I've been in the situation myself and can understand it. It's best to let him fume a bit more, just hope he doesn't have any scissors handy 😉

Oh will you STFU... I can definitly admit defeat... if I was defeated... you're telling ME how I feel... and thats just assanine. If I am cursing my children to suffer through sex the way I feel it... well damn... those are some lucky kids. There is no way you can tell me... oh poor you, you don't feel sex good... and then go on to infringe on my culture based on that assanine assumption.

-Max

 

[TitanDiddly]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: TitanDiddly

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: TitanDiddly

Originally posted by: torpid
Why would I want my son to enjoy sex even more than most boys? That sounds like a bad thing to me.

The demographic is changing. He'll be enjoying sex less than most boys if you circ him. What about when he grows up to be a man? What if your dad made the same argument?

Damnitt will you die already! None of you people have any idea whether it's better to be circumcized or not...

I am SOOOOO tired of this stuuuupid argument

Can you freaking read?

I was circumcised at 18. I KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE ON BOTH SIDES.

Retard.

I was waiting for you to chime in like that...

When was the last time you had sex... ?

Yeah uh huh... you haven't.... so STFU

You're such an ass.

Argue with the science:

Meissner's Corpuscles
Circumcision removes the most important sensory component of the foreskin - thousands of coiled fine-touch receptors called Meissner's corpuscles. Also lost are branches of the dorsal nerve, and between 10,000 and 20,000 specialized erotogenic nerve endings of several types. Together these detect subtle changes in motion and temperature, as well as fine gradations in texture.

Frenulum
The frenulum is a highly erogenous V-shaped structure on the underside of the glans that tethers the foreskin. During circumcision it is frequently either amputated with the foreskin or severed, which destroys or diminishes its sexual and physiological functions.

Dartos Fascia
Circumcision removes approximately half of this temperature-sensitive smooth muscle sheath which lies between the outer layer of skin and the corpus cavernosa.

Dorsal Nerves
The terminal branch of the pudendal nerve connects to the skin of the penis, the prepuce, the corpora cavernosa, and the glans. Destruction of these nerves is a rare but devastating complication of circumcision. If cut during circumcision, the top two-thirds of the penis will be almost completely without sensation.

Those and a lot more. From www.norm.org

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Doboji
oh and for the record... I don't believe for one second that circumcision makes any difference in the way sex feels... I just don't... and there is no way you will ever convince me otherwise.

Well, good for you. Live in your fantasy world. Its too bad your kids are forced to participate.

If you were a Muslim, would you be pissed that you can't circumcise your daughter? Many of them feel pretty strongly about that.

Do a little reading on female circumcision... it's not in the same ball park... it's not even the same sport...

EDIT: and it's not a muslim thing it's an african thing

Yeah darkskinned people chopping body parts off in the name of tradition and religion is barbaric, gotta learn the difference. We're white.

The color of their skin has 0 relevance here...

But their religion does, doesn't it? Since your religion says its good, it must be.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: TitanDiddly

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: TitanDiddly

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: TitanDiddly

Originally posted by: torpid
Why would I want my son to enjoy sex even more than most boys? That sounds like a bad thing to me.

The demographic is changing. He'll be enjoying sex less than most boys if you circ him. What about when he grows up to be a man? What if your dad made the same argument?

Damnitt will you die already! None of you people have any idea whether it's better to be circumcized or not...

I am SOOOOO tired of this stuuuupid argument

Can you freaking read?

I was circumcised at 18. I KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE ON BOTH SIDES.

Retard.

I was waiting for you to chime in like that...

When was the last time you had sex... ?

Yeah uh huh... you haven't.... so STFU

You're such an ass.

Argue with the science:

Meissner's Corpuscles
Circumcision removes the most important sensory component of the foreskin - thousands of coiled fine-touch receptors called Meissner's corpuscles. Also lost are branches of the dorsal nerve, and between 10,000 and 20,000 specialized erotogenic nerve endings of several types. Together these detect subtle changes in motion and temperature, as well as fine gradations in texture.

Frenulum
The frenulum is a highly erogenous V-shaped structure on the underside of the glans that tethers the foreskin. During circumcision it is frequently either amputated with the foreskin or severed, which destroys or diminishes its sexual and physiological functions.

Dartos Fascia
Circumcision removes approximately half of this temperature-sensitive smooth muscle sheath which lies between the outer layer of skin and the corpus cavernosa.

Dorsal Nerves
The terminal branch of the pudendal nerve connects to the skin of the penis, the prepuce, the corpora cavernosa, and the glans. Destruction of these nerves is a rare but devastating complication of circumcision. If cut during circumcision, the top two-thirds of the penis will be almost completely without sensation.

Those and a lot more. From www.norm.org

We've been through this a thousand times there are articles that contradict that article...

And it's all beside the point... what part of "SEX FOR ME IS GRRRRREAT" don't you understand?

Your whole battlecry is stupid... SAVE THE CHILDREN!!! from what? from sex like I have? DUDE let me tell you... children do not need to be saved from this.