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what are yo to judge me? GT578...
I need to shut up?
If you don't want to read my posts then that is very easy...don't read them...
you don't want to others read my posts!!! maybe ... well we live in a free world ...

he starts saying that kyro 2 run like crap in CS... that is a big lie cause with last drivers CS rocks with kyro...
Should I not correct that lie?

He tried to stop kyro discussion here "(NO KYRO DISCUSSION)" I would do just that if he didn't comment on kyro...

I am sure that there are lots of people here that want the truth...
or at least different pespectives to the truth...


your friend needs to reinstall CS or to do a reinstall of windows
that would prevent those bad scores with kyro with CS
and not forgeting the last drivers ...
be a good friend and tell him that...
there is a new drivers for hercules 7.114 tell him to get those
every week a new driver for kyro
😉
 
you altered your inicial post...
now if this was from the beggining your inicial post.
I would not say anything about kyro here...
😉
buy a radeon and be happy is all that I want...
radeon drivers (from waht I read) are getting better and better every time in win2k...
 
I have been using my 64Mb Radeon in Win2k for about 6 months and have no complaints. I switched from a GeForce 32Mb DDR to this card and even back then I did not notice a difference in gaming perforance. I have noticed that over time ATI's Win2k drivers have gotten faster.

I have no regrets with the Radeon.
 
what a JERK
sorry I mean what JERKS

the original poster is expressing a feeling a lot of us have of the Kyro zealots taking over the board discussions. you've been told that the poster wants Radeon information and that this is not the place for pro-Kyro drivel, and you post anyway. what childish pricks you are.
 
EdipisReks, don't speak crap about the Kyro II and you won't get people deffending it, simple. As if a Kyro II would get 7fps in CS on a 1.2ghz system with the latest drivers, you embarrass yourself when you say things like that

TravisBickle, thats not the point at all, if I made a discussion called "What Kyro II board should I get (PLEASE NO MENTION OF GEFORCE) and then in my first post I spoke a whole load of crap about the Geforce that Geforce owners knew wasn't true would you expect no Geforce owners to correct that?..of course not. If he wanted no mention of Kyro II then why mention Kyro II in his very first post?, he can't even stick to his own rules. I suggest that if he wants his discussion to be about Radeon only then he just says please don't talk about other cards just Radeon and he should also stick to the rules he made by only talking about the Radeon. I don't know exactly what he said about the Kyro II in his first post as he edited it before I saw this thread but it was enough to annoy powervr2.
 
teasy: he only edited his message after powervr2 came in promoting the kyro2 and all the arguments came in. So he felt that he had to stop it, since he didn't want to know about the kyro and only wanted intel on the radeon board. and he gave his reason as to WHY he doesn't want a Kyro 2. He never said all kyro2's act like that, he said that his own personal experiences with the card were less then satisfactory. He did not embarass himself with his post, YOU embarassed yourself with your post. He only stated his misfortunes with his kyro2 AFTER everyone else jumped in and started defending his kyro2. how do you know that his friend didn't get 7 fps in cs with the smoke? Who are you to judge? True, it is unlikely if everything is set correctly, but it is still a POSSIBILITY. So don't go off saying that he is looking ignorant by saying such facts. He shouldn't of even be forced to say those things, but powervr2 started the whole kyro2 debate which led astray from the whole subject. Epis saw this and didn't want to discuss about the kyro2, so he simply stated that, along with the reason as to why he didn't want that. he never said ALL kyros are like that. but no, because he said something bad about the kyro, then everyone had to defend their precious little card. If you started a post "What Kyro II board should I get" then you wouldn't get people telling you to ditch that and buy a geforce/radeon, and the proof is in the forums. go do a search and you'll see anyone asking about which brand to buy out of a possible bunch, and no one will start saying "oh forget those, get a geforce2! they rock!". The only time i see that is with powervr2 and ironduke! That is one of the reasons people are so upset with them. So enough of this crap in here, and let this be the last post of this nature. If you wish to rebuttle mine or anyone elses comments in here, then do it in a new post
 
No I'm not going to start a new thread for this because I'll keep it on topic (EdipisReks, check at the bottom for the on topic part). BTW jobberd why didn't you start a new thread? AFAIK powervr2 wasn't the first to bring up Kyro II, he says that the very first post mentioned Kyro II so why did EdipisReks do that if he didn't want any Kyro II discussion?, he's setting him self up for a fall if he does in the very first post what he wants nobody else to do (talk about Kyro II). As I said I don't know what was edited out of the first post but powervr2 says it was something derogetory about Kyro II. And I think you'll find that there are many instances of people saying "Ditch that card and get a Geforce 2 it rocks". Maybe I went to far in saying he embarrassed himself by saying his friend only got 7fps but thats certainly either a lie or something seriously wrong with his setup and its certainly not to be taken as the norm for Kyro II as he seemed to suggest.

Right now for the on topic bit, I don't know where to get a review showing w2k performance on the Radeon with newest drivers but this vid card roundup (http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=40000182) does have a W98 VS W2k comparison in it, the Radeon card is only a VE but it should let you see the difference between Win98 and Win2k with your Radeon 64mb.
 
the reason that i talked of the kyro II experience that my friend had was to nip the entire kyro II discussion in the bud. i showed that i had seen a kyro II in action and that i wasn't interested. an "intelligent kyro II fanboy" (ha!) would have have seen that and said "wow, he has made up his mind. he isn't saying that the thing that i have decide to devote my life to is bad in general, he is simply saying that he has had bad experience with the board, and it doesn't appeal to him for the rig that he is planning to build for himself. i will take this hint, and instead of jumping down his and everyone elses throat, i will simply give him information that he needs or i will LEAVE THE THREAD ALONE as it doesn't pertain to my life mate, i.e. Kyro II, being ragged on in any general way." if i had known that the kyro brothers, you know who you are ironduke and powervr2, couldn't take a hint and thought that even mentioning the NAME kyro was enough to start a discussion, then i would have taken this to the sharkyforums, but i expect better info and behavior here. to answer questions about my friends rig, he used the registry hack, and we racked our brains to find configurations that would fix the problem. maybe he just had a bad board, who knows. if you have information that will help me make a decision as to whether i should run the radeon 64 MB VIVO in windows2000, then please, please, post here. if you want to argue, then stay the hell out.

thank you.
--jacob

p.s. powervr2, you are an idiot. i didn't lie, as a lie is a deliberate falsehood. i simply stated the performance that i saw. you might not know this, but drivers don't always work the same way on different, or even on seemingly similar, rigs. yous statement that "kyro rocks CS with the lastest drivers" shows your ignoarance and immaturity. you are a boor and a troll on this board.

p.p.s teasy, you need to think before you type. i never said that the kyro II got 7 FPS in CS in general, but that it would drop that low in smoke filled scenes. seems strange, but it happened.
 
I got win2k a couple months ago and installed the 3132 beta drivers. Everything I have tried so far works fine. UT, CS (Half-life), Tribes 2, Diablo 2, Quake 3, World War 2 Online. They all run as good or very close as they did in win98 except UT which is a bit slower but it's still very good with the newer drivers.

All this "RADEON SUX0RZ IN WIN2k GET NVIDIA" either doesn't apply with the newer drivers or I am playing the wrong games. For me, anyhow.

edit: Sorry if I said anything already said but I didn't read through all the replies because it just looked like powervr2 praising the Kyro 2 (weird).
 
thanks a lot, Eagle_2! have you tried FSAA in win2k? i want to be able to run some games in about 8x6x32 with 2x FSAA, and i am interested in how it runs.

thanks!
--jacob
 
The only game I have tried with FSAA is WW2 Online and well that game needs a really good computer as it is (I pull 50fps max and as low as 15fps during huge battles and in a plane at 800x600x32). So that game just wouldn't be feasible to have FSAA unless you had a Geforce3 probably.

The FSAA on the Radeon isn't very good. If you want a card with good FSAA and so it is still very playable, you'd have to look into a V5 or Geforce3.
 
I have a Radeon Le, upgraded to Radeon DDR retail with bios flash. Before any bios flash, and with no tweaks, it blew my Geforce 2 mx out of the water, then I did all the hacks, tweaks, etc. and it is damn impressive in windows 2000 (tested 2987 in 3dmark2001, not bad for 79 bucks). In fact, if you get the latest drivers, it out performs in windows 2000 then windows 98SE in many of the games I play.. CS, Quake 3, UT, Nascar4, Tribes 2, Motocross madness2, Diablo II, etc, etc, etc.....

I've found that most people who have poor performance from a Radeon in a win2k machine usually don't have the latest drivers, and/or they haven't tweaked it for playing games.

As for Kyro II users, I feel so sorry for you, cuz many of the benchmarks I've seen, the Kyro II sucks ass in dx8 required games, and it doesn't support dx8 features, as the Radeon does.

Thanks for listening to my 2 cents worth..

regards,
Daniel
 
Teasy, when Ironduke pipes in with
<<&quot;&quot;KYRO!!!
KYRO!!!
KYRO!!!

EAT MY SIG!!!!&quot;&quot;>>

He is a disgrace to the other Kyro2 owners, and is lending no help, and nothing to the discussion, but is in fact giving you all a bad name. That is not defending anything, but is simple Ironduke being a jerk. Yet you defend him? I can understand a rational point-counterpoint, but his garbage posts do nothing but hurt your cause. Kyro2 owners would get more respect and be taken more seriously if it wasn't for jerks like that.

 
<<<p.p.s teasy, you need to think before you type. i never said that the kyro II got 7 FPS in CS in general, but that it would drop that low in smoke filled scenes. seems strange, but it happened.>>>

I know thats what you said and its still not right (I'm not saying your wrong I'm saying that performance isn't normal and infact is very abnormal). Before the fix CS could drop into the teens and then the fix stopped that happening.

<<<He is a disgrace to the other Kyro2 owners, and is lending no help, and nothing to the discussion, but is in fact giving you all a bad name. That is not defending anything, but is simple Ironduke being a jerk. Yet you defend him? I can understand a rational point-counterpoint, but his garbage posts do nothing but hurt your cause. Kyro2 owners would get more respect and be taken more seriously if it wasn't for jerks like that.>>>

AFAIC remember I haven't defended what Ironduke said have I? I was merely saying that talking about Kyro II and saying you get 7fps at times in CS is asking for trouble whether its true or not because what you'll get is people with Kyro II's who get great CS performance defending the card. Why ask for trouble in a thread were you've specifically asked for no talk of Kyro II? If I started a thread asking for advice and then talked about how my Geforce 2 GTS gets 7fps at times in CS I'm sure I'd get some Geforce 2 GTS owners saying stuff like &quot;well you set it up wrong&quot; &quot;its not the card its your incompitance&quot; (I've had that sort of response before when reporting problems). Yes he asked for nobody to talk about Kyro II but it would have been so much easier if he'd taken his own advice and just said &quot;I have my heart set on a Radeon (no other card) here's my question&quot;.

There's no excuse for crap like &quot;KYRO!!!KYRO!!!KYRO!!!,EAT MY SIG!!!!&quot; and thats why I haven't defended Ironduke, however powervr2 didn't post anything like that.

<<<As for Kyro II users, I feel so sorry for you, cuz many of the benchmarks I've seen, the Kyro II sucks ass in dx8 required games, and it doesn't support dx8 features, as the Radeon does.>>>

See this is exactly the sort of ignorant crap that perpetuates all these Kyro II related posts, people who know nothing about the Kyro II that like to post uninformed rubbish.

Firstly the Radeon doesn't support any significant DX8 features, and secondly (god I'm sick of explaining this) MS haven't yet released DX8.1 which fixes rendering into textures when using DX8, at the moment when using a Kyro II with DX8 the system CPU has to handle rendering into textures for stuff like dynamic shadows (like the ones used in 3dmark2001 high detail tests) once MS release DX8.1 final Kyro II will then handle rendering into textures in hardware which will free the system CPU up for other stuff like poly pushing and AI.
 
I've found that most people who have poor performance from a Radeon in a win2k machine usually don't have the latest drivers, and/or they haven't tweaked it for playing games.

As for Kyro II users, I feel so sorry for you, cuz many of the benchmarks I've seen, the Kyro II sucks ass in dx8 required games, and it doesn't support dx8 features, as the Radeon does.


I have the latest win2k drivers. It kept crashing on Unreal Tournament. I'm using 3205 drivers and it seems to be more stable than the latest win2k drivers. I'm starting to really hate my radeon lately after using win2k on it.

How can you feel sorry for kyro 2 users? I think PowerVR2 is happy with his performance. Radeon doesn't support dx8. It uses some of it's features but not enough. It's still dx7 part.
 
well, powervr2 called me a liar, and to me that is worse than the mindless babbling that ironduke subjects everyone too. between them and WSPTrooper, Hardware's crap has been surpassed. i didn't &quot;ask for trouble&quot;, i simply stated the results that i had seen. that is no excuse for assholes like powervr2 crapping my thread. oh, how about this, powervr2, half-life does not use glide, and you are a liar because of the fact that you said it does. maybe i will go to threads you make and call you a liar if you even use any of the letters used to spell &quot;half-life&quot;. to you teasy, you are about as bad as the others. butt out.

[edit] excuse my language, but i'm pissed off that i have been villified by a certain minority of this forum for asking that no-one craps my thread with things i'm not interested in. if i had been asking &quot;radeon or kyro II: please ram rhetoric doen my throat&quot; then it would be fine for powervr2 to spout his yards and yards of opinion. i didn't ask for that, however.

--jacob
 
<<<to you teasy, you are about as bad as the others. butt out>>>

I will comment on what I feel I should comment on and as long as I do that without resorting to obsenities I have every right to post. My point is if you report problems with a card which are abnormal you'll get the od post defending that card. Whether thats right or wrong is completely irrelivent its just a fact of these type of forums and will happen with any vid card. It would have been easier for you not to mention anything about problems with a Kyro II in a thread that you wish to have no Kyro II related posts in, posting about a subject will breed that subject. As for me being &quot;as bad as the others&quot; well thats your opinion, IMO there's a difference between having a point and simply screeming KYRO!!! KYRO!!! KYRO!!! EAT MY SIG!!!!
 
Calm down man...
I said
&quot;that is a big lie&quot;
I was not saying that you were a lier.. but what you said was a lie or not truth...

I believe in what you said (those 7 fps with CS), but that is abnormal with kyro (like teasy said), when you said that kyro was really bad with CS you were generalising to all kyros...(that was the lie I was refering to ... that generalisation)

I am an happy kyro owner and felt complied to defend it...
😉
 
Teasy, i apologize for grouping you with Powervr2 and Ironduke. i got carried away with my zeal against both of them, and in my mind i placed your posts with thiers. i misread the part of your post in which you responded to Powervr2's post where he called me a liar because the results that i posted in CS did not jive with his. however, i defend my right to only get preplies that pertain to my topic. my posting of Kyro II results was simply to show that i had considered those boards, and that i was not interested. perhaps i over estimated the intelligence of some people on this forum.

--jacob
 
I speak 4 languages
portuguese,italian,spanish and of course english

I am finnishing a course in applied mathematics (operational research and statistic) in lisbon university
my IQ was tested and I got 145 score...

I think I have enough intelligence for you...
😉
 
powervr2, when you say that a &quot;big lie&quot; comes from someone's mouth then you are calling them a liar. unless you have something to add about the Radeon 64 MB VIVO's performance under windows 2000, then i respectfully ask that you do not post anything else in this thread, whether you feel compelled to comment on it or not.

--jacob
 
i have an average IQ of 150. big whoop. i speak 3 languages, and i am a composer and musician. big whoop. you are still an idiot. you are also a boor and an ass.

[edit: just in case you don't know, &quot;big whoop&quot; means &quot;who cares&quot; in vernacular american english]

--jacob
 
you have 150 IQ ???
ham???

I will make a question to you you have 15 minutes to answer...
If you have that IQ you will have no difficulty to answer this...

you have 2 fuses (those things that are attached to bombs)... those 2 fuse burn in 60 minutes...(each one)
those fuse burn in a irregular way (non homogeneous, 1/5 of the fuse doesn't mean that the 1/5 of the fuse burn in 1/5 of the 60 minutes)

you want to measure 45 minutes...(exactly ...
How do you do that?

you have 15 minutes...
😉
 
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