Modonna/Whore Syndrome -- Does every man suffer from it?

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Crucial

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To reply to the original question, I have never come close to experiencing the syndrome. When the time comes and I'm doing the nasty anything goes as long as it isn't offending to any parties involved.

Now that I am married I am very happy my wife is into trying new things. It keeps the relationship happy and healthy. I can almost gauranty you and your lover will not be very happy. It is very easy to get into "sexual rut" if you do the same things over and over. It can become mechanical almost. Without trying new things to liven it up you _will_ become bored with it.

I'm curious, what are your views on foreplay?



On an unrelated note, is it rude to use someone elses comment in a sig without asking? "Get your fine nekkid ass on that kitchen table, honey, we're gonna have us some sweaty animalistic moaning get-down gorilla sex!" tcsenter said it in this thread and it cracked me up.
 

illusion88

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Originally posted by: Mookow
Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
yeah and you wouldn't guess by lookin at me. and i am only normal till you get me in bed. i do enjoy pain. pain for pleasure, oh yeah. i am getting my nipples pierced in about a month. sounds fun huh?

TMI, man... just TMI

He is a newbie... just doesnt know where the line is yet.
 

Mookow

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Originally posted by: csaddict
On an unrelated note, is it rude to use someone elses comment in a sig without asking? "Get your fine nekkid ass on that kitchen table, honey, we're gonna have us some sweaty animalistic moaning get-down gorilla sex!" tcsenter said it in this thread and it cracked me up.


You are fine to use it, IMO. Most of the people who have put a quote of mine in their sig's at one time or another have PMed me first asking if it was OK. I've never told anyone "no, you cant use it!". All I have ever asked for is a "- Mookow" at the end of the quote.

IMO, as long as you credit your source, you are fine. PMing asking for permission is polite, and usually appreciated, but not strictly necessary. If they didnt want to share that with everyone on the forum, they shouldnt have posted it. Quotes from PMs are another thing entirely...
 

Jugernot

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Hmmm, though I do agree with the principle of your argument, as people do put their loved ones on a pedistal and sometimes think unrealistically about their needs. I don't agree that you would do the same with your girlfriend/wife.

I tried EVERYTHING with my exgf. The majority of the time, she offered to do something or let me do something and I accepted. But I did ask a few times for certain things and she did it or let me. It really has more to do with the type of people you are dealing with. If your girlfriend/wife is kinky, she might like to have sex in other ways other than the traditional missionary style. Same goes for the guy, some just don't have the balls to ask for what they desire. It's not a syndrome, more like a ingrained fear.

If men (and women) would get over those fears and realize that if the person truely loves you, they won't necassarily say yes to your requests, but they won't shun you either.

Sex is an interesting topic, as it's tabu in our society. Everyone does it, but it hasn't reached acceptance yet for public discussion. Though I doubt I'd be willing to talk about my sex life past what I have above, if I were face to face with any of you. :)
 

blakeatwork

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Originally posted by: Walleye
Originally posted by: Marshallj
Originally posted by: SnapIT
"No class at all, and they didn't seem to care" Why should they? They are the way they want to be, not putting on an act or anything, why should they care about what you or anyone else thinks?

The only problem is that they behaved in a manner that got them the reputation as being a "slut", but they do not like being labelled a "slut". No one person gave them that label, they earned it in the eyes of the people that knew them.

Just like some dudes in school acted in such a way that people called them a "troublemaker", but of course they don't like being labelled that way.

If you asked anyone at all who had a bad reputation and asked if they deserved it, of course they'll always say "no". It doesn't mean that they don't deserve it, it just means THEY don't think they deserve it.

yes. very good.

you are not how you view yourself, but how others view you. your judgement and condemnment lies in the eyes of your peers, not yourself.


this coming from the guy who webage has this:

Walleye

Skorb's right on this one... you need to smack, and smack it good.... if you honestly think that you're saving yourself for Anna, you';ve got issues... like the guy who stabbed Monica Seles issues..
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: Walleye
Originally posted by: Atticu5
Walleye;

To start off -- so what if your IQ is 130? Or for that matter, if your SAT score is 1270? What are you trying to prove? If you think that posting (unverified) measures of your intelligence gains you credibility here, you're wrong, as the posts in this regard have revealed. (Although I hate to invoke Godwin's Law, the comparison could be made that by all accounts, Adolf Hitler was very "smart" -- does that mean that you should have listened to him? No!)

Oh, and by the way, I too am 17 -- but I have an SAT of 1370 and am in university. (Not that it matters, as I stated above; further, I am sure that there are many people here smarter than me...) So, Walleye, now that you know that I am "smarter" (if you feel that SAT is a good measure of intelligence), does that mean my opinion is worth more than yours?

Secondly, you have stated that "Only how we are percieved in the eyes of our peers is what determines our worthiness of this life and this earth." Well, by reading the posts here, it is very apparant that you are not viewed very highly in the eyes of you peers. So, does that mean you are worth nothing? By your logic, it would seem so.

Despite the fact that I disagree with you on most, if not all, of the points that you raised, I believe that all life is worth something. Having said that, I do believe that a life can go to waste, if no good is made of it. Walleye, you must realize by now that the reason this thread has 4 pages of replies has nothing to do with sex; and everything to do with the fact that you seem to be unable to let go of the fact that everyone here deems you unhealthy.

Ask yourself: Are we all just wrong?

hitler's concepts, ways to rise to power, and all that stuff should be looked at, studied, learned from. He was a great motivator, speaker, tactician, and hero to the german people (non jew, and at that time...) the fact was he was crazy, and that's why he failed in his motives... but we arent debating hitler, anyway...

i brought up my testing scores because someone (i felt) made the allusion that i was stupid. i really hate that. so i represent at least a measure of my intelligence in an easily understandable form.

statistically speaking, do you think a few replies in 1 thread is a measure of my ... how to say it... peacefulness.. benevolence, ... (good traits ...)... ? No, of course not. do you think, statistically speaking, that the bulk of you are the bulk of my peers?

because of the nature of the internet, we only see what we want of people on the internet. you only see my inflammatory side, because that's all you want to see. Now, how Zealous do you think i am about my views? i have said a lot of things here, but i already said words mean nothing, and only action matters.

it is actions that define us as who we are.

As for my actions, lets see... i volunteer regularly (at least 5 hours a month)... i will be completing my eagle project soon, and that will include over 500 man hours... so i will be an eagle scout.

I already told you im no idiot.

i have over 30 trophies, medals, and awards for my skill in shooting sports.

i have the skill and knowledge to live most anywhere in the world with only a knife pretty much indefinitely... given that i have warm enough clothes to survive the night.




and i already told you all i hate myself more than i could ever hate anyone else... but i dont expect any of you to understand that.

and i already told you, you cannot determine my actions, you can only judge me.


no, you're not all wrong.

Dude... wtf did you just write? Member of the vast right wing conspiracy?!

160 IQ, 1500 SAT score here. I own you!
rolleye.gif


And I can't do calculus.
 

Walleye

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Originally posted by: blakeatwork
Originally posted by: Walleye
Originally posted by: Marshallj
Originally posted by: SnapIT
"No class at all, and they didn't seem to care" Why should they? They are the way they want to be, not putting on an act or anything, why should they care about what you or anyone else thinks?

The only problem is that they behaved in a manner that got them the reputation as being a "slut", but they do not like being labelled a "slut". No one person gave them that label, they earned it in the eyes of the people that knew them.

Just like some dudes in school acted in such a way that people called them a "troublemaker", but of course they don't like being labelled that way.

If you asked anyone at all who had a bad reputation and asked if they deserved it, of course they'll always say "no". It doesn't mean that they don't deserve it, it just means THEY don't think they deserve it.

yes. very good.

you are not how you view yourself, but how others view you. your judgement and condemnment lies in the eyes of your peers, not yourself.


this coming from the guy who webage has this:

Walleye

Skorb's right on this one... you need to smack, and smack it good.... if you honestly think that you're saving yourself for Anna, you';ve got issues... like the guy who stabbed Monica Seles issues..


er, no, i dont feel im saving myself for anna. it's not that i want to be a virgin, i just dont want to have sex yet... i'd prefer to get to know a girl better. anyway, i know i wont get anna, and i also lost a lot of respect for her when i found out a few other things about her...

and im not going to jack off... that's still sick.
 

Walleye

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Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Originally posted by: Walleye
Originally posted by: Atticu5
Walleye;

To start off -- so what if your IQ is 130? Or for that matter, if your SAT score is 1270? What are you trying to prove? If you think that posting (unverified) measures of your intelligence gains you credibility here, you're wrong, as the posts in this regard have revealed. (Although I hate to invoke Godwin's Law, the comparison could be made that by all accounts, Adolf Hitler was very "smart" -- does that mean that you should have listened to him? No!)

Oh, and by the way, I too am 17 -- but I have an SAT of 1370 and am in university. (Not that it matters, as I stated above; further, I am sure that there are many people here smarter than me...) So, Walleye, now that you know that I am "smarter" (if you feel that SAT is a good measure of intelligence), does that mean my opinion is worth more than yours?

Secondly, you have stated that "Only how we are percieved in the eyes of our peers is what determines our worthiness of this life and this earth." Well, by reading the posts here, it is very apparant that you are not viewed very highly in the eyes of you peers. So, does that mean you are worth nothing? By your logic, it would seem so.

Despite the fact that I disagree with you on most, if not all, of the points that you raised, I believe that all life is worth something. Having said that, I do believe that a life can go to waste, if no good is made of it. Walleye, you must realize by now that the reason this thread has 4 pages of replies has nothing to do with sex; and everything to do with the fact that you seem to be unable to let go of the fact that everyone here deems you unhealthy.

Ask yourself: Are we all just wrong?

hitler's concepts, ways to rise to power, and all that stuff should be looked at, studied, learned from. He was a great motivator, speaker, tactician, and hero to the german people (non jew, and at that time...) the fact was he was crazy, and that's why he failed in his motives... but we arent debating hitler, anyway...

i brought up my testing scores because someone (i felt) made the allusion that i was stupid. i really hate that. so i represent at least a measure of my intelligence in an easily understandable form.

statistically speaking, do you think a few replies in 1 thread is a measure of my ... how to say it... peacefulness.. benevolence, ... (good traits ...)... ? No, of course not. do you think, statistically speaking, that the bulk of you are the bulk of my peers?

because of the nature of the internet, we only see what we want of people on the internet. you only see my inflammatory side, because that's all you want to see. Now, how Zealous do you think i am about my views? i have said a lot of things here, but i already said words mean nothing, and only action matters.

it is actions that define us as who we are.

As for my actions, lets see... i volunteer regularly (at least 5 hours a month)... i will be completing my eagle project soon, and that will include over 500 man hours... so i will be an eagle scout.

I already told you im no idiot.

i have over 30 trophies, medals, and awards for my skill in shooting sports.

i have the skill and knowledge to live most anywhere in the world with only a knife pretty much indefinitely... given that i have warm enough clothes to survive the night.




and i already told you all i hate myself more than i could ever hate anyone else... but i dont expect any of you to understand that.

and i already told you, you cannot determine my actions, you can only judge me.


no, you're not all wrong.

Dude... wtf did you just write? Member of the vast right wing conspiracy?!

160 IQ, 1500 SAT score here. I own you!
rolleye.gif


And I can't do calculus.


huh?

you mean my sig?

care to join? ;)
 

Yax

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Dude, start dating guys and leave the women to the rest of us who like to get dirty with'm.
 

Yax

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Originally posted by: Walleye
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i wont have sex in an unnatural position with a girl i really like out of respect for her. it's just that simple.


and i wont have sex with any girl i dont respect and love... it's just that simple.


i'd also say i am still a virgin, never had a girlfriend, never kissed a girl, and am 17 years old... and no, im not gay.

EDIT: and no, i dont masturbate, either.

YES, stay that way please. Keep yourself pure and clean. Once you've dipped in the well you can never be unslimed.
 

Yax

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Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Originally posted by: Walleye
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i wont have sex in an unnatural position with a girl i really like out of respect for her. it's just that simple.


and i wont have sex with any girl i dont respect and love... it's just that simple.


i'd also say i am still a virgin, never had a girlfriend, never kissed a girl, and am 17 years old... and no, im not gay.

EDIT: and no, i dont masturbate, either.


Respect? sexual desire and experiementation within a loving relationship is not only normal,it's part of what makes up a satisfying life.Showing yourself,communicating what you want to your lover only makes the love you share richer!

There you go walleye, words from geekbabe, Women want it! Do the dirty for their sake if not your own.
 

ILikeStuff

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Originally posted by: Dezign
Frustratingly enough, a majority of males I've met do.

Originally posted by: Marshallj
I don't suffer from it.

At least to me, smart, nice, polite women are a turn on while showy, trashy women are a turn off.

It doesn't have to be that extreme. Would you also expect that smart, nice, polite woman to be smart, nice and polite in bed, or would you want her to be wild and crazy ("whore"-ish, if you will... I detest that word, but it appears that's how society loves to label women who love sex)?

nah, whores get paid to have sex. you're thinking more along the lines of sluts, and it's not that they like to have sex that is such a bad thing (I certainly would hope my future wife would love having sex), it's that they love to have sex with so many different men that is looked down upon. I think it would be a great blessing to be married to a woman who loves having sex. (BTW, I consider guys who sleep around all the time to be sluts too)
 

Nyical

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Originally posted by: Walleye
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i wont have sex in an unnatural position with a girl i really like out of respect for her. it's just that simple.


and i wont have sex with any girl i dont respect and love... it's just that simple.


i'd also say i am still a virgin, never had a girlfriend, never kissed a girl, and am 17 years old... and no, im not gay.

EDIT: and no, i dont masturbate, either.
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Well hate to burst your bubble on the I don't masturbate theory, It's only natural for the human male to do this wether its by your hand or by your own subconscious when you sleep, the boys can only hold so much and if there is no release
theres gonna be alot of pain down below.

I applaud your self restraint in not having sex, but don't lie about never snapping the carrot, that just doesn't fly to well
with the older male members on this board who have been there and done that.
 

ILikeStuff

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Originally posted by: Walleye
Originally posted by: Isla
Originally posted by: Walleye
Originally posted by: Isla
Originally posted by: Marshallj
Originally posted by: Walleye
yes. very good.

you are not how you view yourself, but how others view you. your judgement and condemnment lies in the eyes of your peers, not yourself.

Exactly.

That's why Jesus taught not to judge others, because in judging others, you condemn yourself. "He who is without sin shall cast the first stone". And since that is no one... :)

im gonna have to write a service pack... i dont beleive in that dont judge others thing. i feel we have the right, nay, the duty to judge others as we see fit.


Well, you can interpret religious teachings however you see fit. Many people do. It is always easier that way. But in the end, you will want people to be compassionate towards you. It is in giving that you will receive. It is a spiritual law that I have never seen fail. That extends to compassion, so don't let your heart grow too hard or too cold to the human condition just yet. We are all weak, we can all make mistakes. Especially the young and easily influenced.

There but for the grace of God go I...

only in a world without compassion will true justice be found.

I'm glad I don't live in your world...
rolleye.gif
 

Walleye

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Originally posted by: cheapbidder01
Originally posted by: Walleye
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i wont have sex in an unnatural position with a girl i really like out of respect for her. it's just that simple.


and i wont have sex with any girl i dont respect and love... it's just that simple.


i'd also say i am still a virgin, never had a girlfriend, never kissed a girl, and am 17 years old... and no, im not gay.

EDIT: and no, i dont masturbate, either.

YES, stay that way please. Keep yourself pure and clean. Once you've dipped in the well you can never be unslimed.


um... never have sex with a girl? no, i prefer to find a good one at some point and eventually after much time eventually... ;)
 

Walleye

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Originally posted by: Nyical
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Originally posted by: Walleye
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i wont have sex in an unnatural position with a girl i really like out of respect for her. it's just that simple.


and i wont have sex with any girl i dont respect and love... it's just that simple.


i'd also say i am still a virgin, never had a girlfriend, never kissed a girl, and am 17 years old... and no, im not gay.

EDIT: and no, i dont masturbate, either.
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Well hate to burst your bubble on the I don't masturbate theory, It's only natural for the human male to do this wether its by your hand or by your own subconscious when you sleep, the boys can only hold so much and if there is no release
theres gonna be alot of pain down below.

I applaud your self restraint in not having sex, but don't lie about never snapping the carrot, that just doesn't fly to well
with the older male members on this board who have been there and done that.


i hate to burst your bubble, but that's completely untrue.

it's not really self restraint, i couldnt have sex if i wanted to. there's no girls that would take me. at least not that i've found.
 

Walleye

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Originally posted by: ILikeStuff
Originally posted by: Walleye
Originally posted by: Isla
Originally posted by: Walleye
Originally posted by: Isla
Originally posted by: Marshallj
Originally posted by: Walleye
yes. very good.

you are not how you view yourself, but how others view you. your judgement and condemnment lies in the eyes of your peers, not yourself.

Exactly.

That's why Jesus taught not to judge others, because in judging others, you condemn yourself. "He who is without sin shall cast the first stone". And since that is no one... :)

im gonna have to write a service pack... i dont beleive in that dont judge others thing. i feel we have the right, nay, the duty to judge others as we see fit.


Well, you can interpret religious teachings however you see fit. Many people do. It is always easier that way. But in the end, you will want people to be compassionate towards you. It is in giving that you will receive. It is a spiritual law that I have never seen fail. That extends to compassion, so don't let your heart grow too hard or too cold to the human condition just yet. We are all weak, we can all make mistakes. Especially the young and easily influenced.

There but for the grace of God go I...

only in a world without compassion will true justice be found.

I'm glad I don't live in your world...
rolleye.gif

im sad i live in yours...
rolleye.gif


 

Pliablemoose

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Wow, a lot of folks have some pretty serious opinions about an activity they've never partaken in, sex...

My 2 cents:

1.) Whatever 2 adults negotiate in the bedroom that doesn't harm them (emotionally or physically)is fair game, key word is negotiate.

2.) After doing a thing 10,000 times the same way; it gets old, when spontaniety & excitement go away, things can get mechanical & boring.

3.) Sex is sex is sex, IMHO, heavy petting is sex & many behaviors are overt sexual behaviors.

4.) I've prob had more partners than is appropriate (all hetero you pervs), by a factor of 10, learned from each of them, life is an adventure, and part of the adventure is finding out what your partner enjoys.