Modern Sports Cars...Useless?

[KIAman]

Missing my point a bit. As I mentioned earlier, I was mainly referring to the boring executive cars with large amounts of horsepower.

Even if you're a punk teenager kid with a old 5.0 Mustang, you match your car more than suburbian dude driving the 400hp Infiniti. I'm just saying I think it's proper your lifestyle match the image your car gives. I'm just saying be a cool as your car.

No one needs to get defensive, this is just my personal opinion, do what you want, but I obviously hit a soft spot with some because they aren't as cool as their cars are.

Curious, who decides what image a given car gives?

 

[JMapleton]

Curious, who decides what image a given car gives?

There is no authority, it's just general consensus and is subject to debate.

But I think most can agree that most, although not all, 4 door sedans do not need nor should they have a sports car image. Exceptions include Mercedes S class or BMW M5/M3. This is just my opinion, disagree if you may.

 

[MJinZ]

Anyone but Bob the Marketing Manager. But no I'm not saying anyone is a poser just because they wear a suit and drive an M3.

I'm just saying if you drive a cool car, I think it's proper you live a cool lifestyle. Yeah, there are "cool" people out there besides those you see on TV.

Um, if you wear 7 Jeans, you should be cool enough, rich enough, and be driving a Maserati.

Not a Scion tC.

See where we're going with this?

 

[MJinZ]

There is no authority, it's just general consensus and is subject to debate.

But I think most can agree that most, although not all, 4 door sedans do not need nor should they have a sports car image. Exceptions include Mercedes S class or BMW M5/M3. This is just my opinion, disagree if you may.

LMAO? S-Class Sports Sedan? LMAO?

 

[exdeath]

Missing my point a bit. As I mentioned earlier, I was mainly referring to the boring executive cars with large amounts of horsepower.

Even if you're a punk teenager kid with a old 5.0 Mustang, you match your car more than suburbian dude driving the 400hp Infiniti. I'm just saying I think it's proper your lifestyle match the image your car gives. I'm just saying be a cool as your car.

No one needs to get defensive, this is just my personal opinion, do what you want, but I obviously hit a soft spot with some because they aren't as cool as their cars are.

Everybody I know who knows me well and has spent 5 minutes looking at, listening, and riding in my car say that it is was made for me, that if I came back as a car, this would be it.

 

[TehMac]

who says cars aren't an extension of personality?

 

[Viper GTS]

I know I'm a few posts behind on this, but it is absolutely possible to utilize power on the street.

I floor my Mustang GT basically every chance I get, & I haven't even been pulled over in the three years I've had it. As long as you don't speed, make excessive tire noise, or drive like an asshole it's definitely possible to enjoy having some power without taking any serious legal risks. Yes if you stay on the throttle very long you'll be well into illegal speeds but just a romp through 1st from a stoplight in a 45 zone is highly entertaining.

I'm sure I could do the same with 400 or 500 HP, & I would enjoy the upgrade.

So to anyone who says it's wasted on the street, obviously you're not looking for the right ways to enjoy it.

Viper GTS

 

[LordMorpheus]

He's got a good point about that old Caddy. That's how I feel about my 1997 Town Car, and part of the reason I bought it.

 

[obamanation]

There were no emissions tests in 1986 when the 951 first arrived in the US. I do have emissions tests from all years I've owned these cars. The 951's numbers fluctuate very slightly over time, but I have changed the ECU programming several times as well due to various modifications. Over more than 35,000 miles, there has been no meaningful change in emissions test results despite my near constant tweaking of the ECU programming.

They don't smog cars during their first year I know that much.. How about you post your earliest result.

The S70 has shown absolutely no difference in emissions results over the entire time I've owned it.

That sucks for you or it's great for you depending on how you look at it but I own a few low mileage vehicles that I just had to get smogged recently and they all had 0s for the emissions portion, 0 HC, 0% CO and 0 NOX... Can't get better than that can you? They're fairly recent vehicles (2004) but I know a guy who owns a '96 Taurus and when he smogged it, he had the same results as I did, 0,0,0... Which means CO2 only.. This leads me to conclude that one can have an older vehicle in tip top shape that emits only CO2 and that it isn't the technology's fault for it. Anyway, if anything, you're further proving my case that performance vehicles emit more pollution and that making emissions standards easier on fuel efficient cars and harder on less efficient cars would be far more equitable.

If your theory were true, emissions would get continuously dirtier as the cars aged. As my cars indicate, there is no continuous downward slide. Once again you have an a-priori conclusion that you refuse to revise in the face of actual evidence.

I've got a vehicle with 190K miles on it and it did ok on the emissions test, 0HC, .02% CO and 346 NOX, 15mph but it definitely has degraded over time. I'm not saying it's guaranteed but what I am saying is that I think it's possible to have an older vehicle in tip top shape that was made during a time with less stringent emissions standards output only CO2.

You have your proof, I have my proof. Your car doesn't disprove the possibility of having a vehicle emit only CO2 as its exhaust despite being made during a year with lax emissions regulations.

You are claiming that 3% of total CO2 emissions means that all climate change is man's fault? You either have very poor reading comprehension skills or you're just too dull to know when you've been beaten by facts.

Where do you get this crap about 3%? I didn't bother to question it but since you use it as the foundation of your arguments, you're going to have to back it up.. Anyway in this case, PPM is what matters and the PPM of CO2 for the last 400K years, CO2 has been in the range of 200-275PPM but in the last 100 years it has climbed past that 275PPM number and we're now at 390PPM.. We're obviously unloading an assload of CO2 in the atmosphere, no question, but once again you've clarified that you are indeed a global warming denier.. You can't admit it's true because if you did, it would mean a major change in lifestyle which you aren't willing to do regardless of the consequences. Excess CO2 is fucking up the oceans and causing global warming but you'll never admit to that.. The consensus among scientists is that global warming is real and is caused by people. Where are you creationist buddies anyhow?

I'm not about to pretend that I agree with your belief because your belief is not based on logic. I'm not going to grant an irrational premise because it's not possible to draw a valid conclusion from an irrational premise. I might as well ask you what your course of action would be if you believed yourself to be a child molester. It's a worthless question because the premise is pure bullshit.

That's bullshit and a nice cop-out... How about you just answer the question and stop dicking around?

Again, you're asking that we assume a problem exists despite a total lack of evidence. Dumping toxic waste produces results that are directly attributable to that action. However, there has never been shown to be any direct connection between the CO2 released by cars (which is less than half of all human CO2 emissions, so less than 1.5% of all CO2) and any adverse effects on anything.

Yup, global warming is a big conspiracy just to piss you off specifically, yup, how'd you know? I know how you know, it's because global warming is all your fault and only your fault, and you know it.. :twisted::awe:

This comment of yours stems from a lack of understanding of the concept of normalization. While IQ scores are indeed normalized such that 100 is the median (median is not average, by the way), the fact is that the amount of absolute intelligence represented by this median value has indeed climbed over time. An IQ of 100 today represents greater intelligence than an IQ of 100 would have in, say, 1950. In fact, the Flynn effect documents that without constant re-normalization of the median IQ to 100, the scores tend to creep upwards by about 3 points per decade.

Damn. Actual data and facts are thwarting you once again.

You didn't say that, now did ya? hahaha I know what normalization but that still doesn't change the fact that the flynn effect has more to do with nutrition than people actually getting smarter.... Dumb people in poor countries are breeding and the liberals here and in europe are bending over backwards to let them in a destroy their own native culture to be replaced with the immigrants own culture.. There is no assimilation in France or in the south west United States, it's a fucking invasion, with the libtards holding the door open..

India's current birth rate is lower than the US birth rate of the 1950's. The birth rate in Bangladesh has fallen from from 6.2 births per woman to 3.4 births per woman in a single decade. In Muslim Tunisia, the birth rate has fallen from 7.2 to 2.9 over the past 30 years.

Yeah, major accomplishment there.... too bad the US birth rate in the 50s was the highest it ever was... Also it doesn't matter anyway because any birth rate over 1 is too many fucking people as we've already got an ass load of people we won't be able to feed in the coming future. It also doesn't help that all the damn fertilizer is fucking up the coral reef, but knowing you, you'll deny that as well.


The planet is continuously getting worse, animals are going extinct, deforestation is rampant in africa, south america, and asia, the ocean is dying, the ice caps are melting and it's all your fault.:twisted::awe:

 

[Zenmervolt]

ranting from a moron

I'm done with you child. I've given evidence and you've done the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears yelling "I'm not listening!"

When you're ready to deal with facts, you can come back and discuss things with the grown-ups. Until then, keep driving your daddy's Volvo and inflating your tires to sidewall.

ZV

 

[TehMac]

The planet is continuously getting worse, animals are going extinct, deforestation is rampant in africa, south america, and asia, the ocean is dying, the ice caps are melting and it's all your fault.:twisted::awe:

Is that the democrats' new election slogan for 2010? It's getting awfully stale.

 

[rh71]

too many people just cruising in their 300hp+ vehicles. If they wanted that thing, they should be driving spiritedly.. that doesn't mean speeding but it sure doesn't mean hanging safely behind someone else in the middle lane for 30 miles either. If I see another 40s woman in an M6 in the right lane imma puke.

 

[obamanation]

I'm done with you child. I've given evidence and you've done the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears yelling "I'm not listening!"

When you're ready to deal with facts, you can come back and discuss things with the grown-ups. Until then, keep driving your daddy's Volvo and inflating your tires to sidewall.

ZV

Excuse me, but I don't own a Volvo and neither does anyone I know in my family. The last Volvo my parents ever owned was a 240DL from 1984... I know you may think I'm a yuppie who on the surface cares about the environment but really is just an ignoramus (explains the Volvo reference) but in actuality I am not.

too many people just cruising in their 300hp+ vehicles. If they wanted that thing, they should be driving spiritedly.. that doesn't mean speeding but it sure doesn't mean hanging safely behind someone else in the middle lane for 30 miles either. If I see another 40s woman in an M6 in the right lane imma puke.

better than clogging the left lane..

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

I'm just saying if you drive a cool car, I think it's proper you live a cool lifestyle. Yeah, there are "cool" people out there besides those you see on TV.

ZOMG! Where can I donate my LS? I don't deserve to drive it being a mere grad student 😉

 

[Zenmervolt]

Excuse me, but I don't own a Volvo and neither does anyone I know in my family. The last Volvo my parents ever owned was a 240DL from 1984... I know you may think I'm a yuppie who on the surface cares about the environment but really is just an ignoramus (explains the Volvo reference) but in actuality I am not.

I seem to remember you talking about how some Volvo S60 felt much worse than your civic around corners. Must be mistaken. 😉

 

[rchiu]

pfff, what's useless is commenting on how other people spend their money.

 

[DivideBYZero]

too many people just cruising in their 300hp+ vehicles. If they wanted that thing, they should be driving spiritedly.. that doesn't mean speeding but it sure doesn't mean hanging safely behind someone else in the middle lane for 30 miles either. If I see another 40s woman in an M6 in the right lane imma puke.

Just because you own something fast is doesn't mean you should be hammering it around to the maximum extent of the law all the time. That shit is tiring. On a long journey I sometimes pop it into cruise and you'll find me on the inside lane, so grab a sick bag.

 

[exar333]

Is this just a "call-out" thread to the entire AT garage crew? Seems that way. Sound's like a Fleabag thread idea.