I tried talking to them for quite a little while trying to get them to fix or replace the card, but they wouldn't. I didn't have the money or know how to do anything legal with them.
Schadenfroh
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Likely due to a higher percentage of users modding the cards (changing HS/Fan, flashing bios, overclocking the crap out of them) and causing damage. One would also have to factor in people who RMA out of disappointing overclocks (after breaking it themselves) or theft (there was a thread about bogus returns not long ago).
taltamir
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and void your warranty? no thanks.
Or if from one of the big three with their lifetime warranty who allow you to do that... and spend my time and money fixing the card they build wrong so that it doesn't fail 2 years down the road and gets me a warranty upgrade? again, no thanks. I am not spending time and money lowering their RMA costs.
PS. cross ship, that way you don't have to wait for too long.
Heat and power consumption can also have a huge impact on potential problems with high-end parts like this that might not have a problem in a different system. That additonal 8-pin connector and 30-50W requirement over a GTX 260 or 4870 can often be the difference between a 450W or 500W being enough or failing to POST. Higher TDP can also result in potential temp problems in cases that don't have good ventilation.
As others have mentioned I remember there being quite a few GTX280's in the early days that seemed to run exceptionally hot. I remember one thread here where the OP was on his third GTX280, all would go over 100C while gaming and eventually artifact. I'd like to think that is why the numbers are so high according to the data posted in the OP, I would hope Nvidia isn't still sending out GTX280 cards with a near 10% failure rate.
Completely off topic below.
The only cards I can ever think of dying on me were a Radeon 7200, but that was due to a lightning strike (I quickly learned the importance of proper surge protection equipment from that incident) and a BFG 6800 non-ultra/non-GT AGP card. That was a factory overclock card that ran it's core at a blistering 350MHz (factory speed was 325MHz) with 128MB of 700MHz DDR1 memory. One day the card just went bad, artifacts as soon as I tried to power up. After fighting with BFG's support for hours (the insisted that I had a corrupt Windows install, or corrupt drivers... even though I had major artifacts in the BIOS before Windows even tried to load) I got an RMA. I sent in the card, they sent me a replacement. The replacement failed instantly as well. I tried my buddies EVGA 6800GT and everything worked like a charm. I have sworn off BFG forever due to this.
WelshBloke
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Why would the percentage of users of gtx280's who mod their cards be higher than, say, 4870 or gtx260 users?
n7
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The GTX 280 high failure rates are due to the many defective ones that initially came out.
I got two defective ones before finally getting a working one, & other people out there had similar experiences. (nVnew had the huge thread on them.)
There were a lot of them that were bad.
It was NOT due to improper heatsink contact or cooling either.
nVidia has a crapload of cards & onboard/mobile GPUs with issues.
See google for a basic idea of how widespread the problems are: http://www.google.ca/search?hl...idia&btnG=Search&meta=
At werk, I've personally seen in the few hundreds+ of HP laptops with dead or failing nV chipsets/GPUs, & the worst thing is, HP sends them back "repaired" with the same defective chipsets.
So those customer that get them repaired as part of the $200M that nV gave to OEMs aren't really gettting fixed notebooks, they're getting timebombs that inevitably fail later on, outside the nV sponsored "2 yr. extended warranty".
I've already seen a large number that had the boards replaced fail less than half a year later.
The issues also happen with 6150s in desktops, & various dedicated mobile nV GPUs in notebooks...
The enthusiast market doesn't really see much of these issues, as fortunately most of the dedicated higher end cards seem not to be as likely to suffer as much.
However, in the retail market with notebooks especially, i will absolutely never ever recommend anything that has nVidia anything in it, as anyone buying such is playing with fire.
Here's an example of just how massive the issue is with HP that have nV GPUs.
http://hplies.com/memberlist.p...e=searchuser&sk=z&sd=d
And for those who don't understand the nV issue: http://www.theinquirer.net/inq...nvidia-chips-defective
Don't assume it's nonsense because it's the Inq.
Charlie has been correct on this issue all along actually.
I got two defective ones before finally getting a working one, & other people out there had similar experiences. (nVnew had the huge thread on them.)
There were a lot of them that were bad.
It was NOT due to improper heatsink contact or cooling either.
nVidia has a crapload of cards & onboard/mobile GPUs with issues.
See google for a basic idea of how widespread the problems are: http://www.google.ca/search?hl...idia&btnG=Search&meta=
At werk, I've personally seen in the few hundreds+ of HP laptops with dead or failing nV chipsets/GPUs, & the worst thing is, HP sends them back "repaired" with the same defective chipsets.
So those customer that get them repaired as part of the $200M that nV gave to OEMs aren't really gettting fixed notebooks, they're getting timebombs that inevitably fail later on, outside the nV sponsored "2 yr. extended warranty".
I've already seen a large number that had the boards replaced fail less than half a year later.
The issues also happen with 6150s in desktops, & various dedicated mobile nV GPUs in notebooks...
The enthusiast market doesn't really see much of these issues, as fortunately most of the dedicated higher end cards seem not to be as likely to suffer as much.
However, in the retail market with notebooks especially, i will absolutely never ever recommend anything that has nVidia anything in it, as anyone buying such is playing with fire.
Here's an example of just how massive the issue is with HP that have nV GPUs.
http://hplies.com/memberlist.p...e=searchuser&sk=z&sd=d
And for those who don't understand the nV issue: http://www.theinquirer.net/inq...nvidia-chips-defective
Don't assume it's nonsense because it's the Inq.
Charlie has been correct on this issue all along actually.
Cookie Monster
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Maybe nVIDIA wont limp on manufacturing/production related costs to save a few $ next time around. These kind of tactics could have some nasty consequences later on.
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